Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.actually, IIRC Spec agreed that Ion was powerful, but question if he wa spowerful enuff to make the change w/o screwing anything up.
Tazer
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindAnd Ion wasn't going to rewrite Spectre's histroy.
Ion.He was powerful enough to rewrite the Spectres history (remember..Spectre agreed to it) without significantly altering history.
I doubt Extant woud give Spectre that much of an issue.
He was going to rewrite Hal Jordan's history before he became Spectre or Parallax.
Originally posted by Galan007
And Ion wasn't going to rewrite Spectre's histroy.He was going to rewrite Hal Jordan's history before he became Spectre or Parallax.
Which with Hal Jordan as the Spectre at the time would have meant that Spectre's was rewritten as well.
Originally posted by Galan007
I don't see how that's relevant to this debate...[ie. how's that going to enable Ion to beat Cosmic Extant]? 😕
Actually..in the infinite vs infinite power type thing. I think that's pretty much the highest feat there is. The hand of god offering to at least partially rewrite the wrath of god.
Or he simply could remove Extants powers with a thought. The worlogog may be able to change anything in the universe...but it's external control...as MM proved when Joker had it.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindRewriting Hal's past, before he became Spectre or Parallax is hardly a feat that would lead me to believe Ion can beat Extant. 😬
Which with Hal Jordan as the Spectre at the time would have meant that Spectre's was rewritten as well.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindIon wasn't going to rewrite Spectre, [that's beyond his powerset imo].
Actually..in the infinite vs infinite power type thing. I think that's pretty much the highest feat there is. The hand of god offering to at least partially rewrite the wrath of god.
Ion even stated he was just going to rewrite Hal Jordan's past. 😬
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindIon did nothing which would lead me to believe he could remove the power from a being on Extant's level.
Or he simply could remove Extants powers with a thought.
Here's Spectre and Ion's whole conversation concerning Kyle rewriting the past:
Kyle wanted to rewrite Hal's past.
Doing this may have inadvertently changed things so that Hal never became Spectre in the first place....
But Kyle was never going to rewrite the Spectre entity itself.
What Ion was going to do with Hal's past in this instance, is something which is easily within Extant's powerset, imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
Rewriting Hal's past, before he became Spectre or Parallax is hardly a feat that would lead me to believe Ion can beat Extant. 😬
Ion wasn't going to rewrite Spectre, [that's beyond his powerset imo].
Hal was the current Spectre at that time. If he rewrote Hal to not be the Spectre..then that is rewriting a portion of the Spectre. Hal readily admitted that Ion could do this.
Originally posted by Galan007
Ion did nothing which would lead me to believe he could remove the power from a being on Extant's level.
The original Extant was easily pwned by Parallax.
Then...the mobius chair is really of no use to someone who's unlimited and can be EVERYWHERE at once.
And the worlogog, while powerful, it will not protect Extant from Ions far superior abilities.
Example: Unlimited power and Joker still got pwned by MM:
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindCome on now.
Hal was the current Spectre at that time. If he rewrote Hal to not be the Spectre..then that is rewriting a portion of the Spectre. Hal readily admitted that Ion could do this.
Ion wouldn't be rewriting the Spectre entity.
He would be rewriting a human beings past, before Spectre even came into the picture.
That's not too impressive imo.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindJoker didn't have the slightest clue how to use the Worlogog, nor is he comparable in the slightest to Extant.
Then...the mobius chair is really of no use to someone who's unlimited and can be EVERYWHERE at once.And the worlogog, while powerful, it will not protect Extant from Ions far superior abilities.
Example: Unlimited power and Joker still got pwned by MM:
If it was that easy to wrest the Worlogog from a someone, MM would have used TP to gain the 'Gog from Darkseid in that very same arc.... But that's not what happened, is it?
Originally posted by Galan007
Come on now.Ion wouldn't be rewriting the Spectre entity.
He would be rewriting a human beings past, before Spectre even came into the picture.
That's not too impressive imo.
Let's try it again. Hal was the spectre....if ION can rewrite Hal's history...then what would happen to the Spectre? He would be rewritten as well. They both admitted Ion could do it. Ion was that powerful.
If Extant would have attempted the same thing...Spectre would have destroyed him without a second thought.
Originally posted by Galan007
Joker didn't have the slightest clue how to use the Worlogog, nor is he comparable in the slightest to Extant.If it was that easy to wrest the Worlogog from a someone, MM would have used TP to gain the 'Gog from Darkseid in that very same arc.... But that's not what happened, is it?
Darkseid never had the Worlogog in that arc. DESTROYING the worlogog is actually what caused Darkseid to win. So far we have both Joker (who did know exactly what the worlogog did and how to use it) get pwned by it, and then the worlogog itself was destroyed in the same arc by Superman Blue...another energy being. Lastly, Parallax pwned Extant, and the mobious chair is of no consequence as Ion is everywhere at once.
Conclusion? Ion wins.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindRewriting certain events in Hal's past, doesn't necessarily mean that his becoming Spectre would have been altered...
Let's try it again. Hal was the spectre....if ION can rewrite Hal's history...then what would happen to the Spectre? He would be rewritten as well. They both admitted Ion could do it. Ion was that powerful.
I mean, Kyle never directly mentioned taking Spectre out of Hal's picture, just Parallax.
It's not really as impressive as you're making it out to be imo.
And plus, Cosmic Extant doesn't have a past to alter anymore, so that method of attack would really do no good for Ion.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindYou realize that when someone is controlling the 'Gog, it literally becomes part of them, don't you?
Darkseid never had the Worlogog in that arc. DESTROYING the worlogog is actually what caused Darkseid to win. So far we have both Joker (who did know exactly what the worlogog did and how to use it) get pwned by it, and then the worlogog itself was destroyed in the same arc by Superman Blue...another energy being.
So the only way to destroy the 'Gog in this case, would be to destroy Extant himself... But with an infinite amount of 'himselves' throughout the timelines which he can summon on a whim, that's not really a feasible way for Ion to win either.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindParallax pwned regular Extant, not Cosmic Extant.... Comparing regular Extant to Cosmic Extant is like comparing a droplet of water to an ocean.
Lastly, Parallax pwned Extant
Originally posted by Galan007So wouldn't that mean that this is a stalemate? Cause Extant has an infinite amount of "himselves" he can summon and Ion can exist everywhere at once.
Rewriting certain events in Hal's past, doesn't necessarily mean that his becoming Spectre would have been altered...I mean, Kyle never directly mentioned taking Spectre out of Hal's picture, just Parallax.
It's not really as impressive as you're making it out to be imo.
And plus, Cosmic Extant doesn't have a past to alter anymore, so that method of attack would really do no good for Ion.
You realize that when someone is controlling the 'Gog, it literally becomes part of them, don't you?So the only way to destroy the 'Gog in this case, would be to destroy Extant himself... But with an infinite amount of 'himselves' throughout the timelines which he can summon on a whim, that's not really a feasible way for Ion to win either.
Parallax pwned regular Extant, not Cosmic Extant.... Comparing regular Extant to Cosmic Extant is like comparing a droplet of water to an ocean.
Cosmic Extant wins. And I'd say they're really close fights, but he pulls a solid 7/10 majority.
I know Ion was omnipresent and extremely powerful, but Cosmic Extant was also omnipresent, showed incredible levels of power and has the higher feat IMO (creating his own 'universe' [which was essentially a multiverse, wasn't it?] from nothing.)
Ion wins. Cosmic Extant is a bad ass but He could be given trouble by the Infinite Man. Ion actually messed with the Presence's plan and was rewriting Hal Jordan's history. And Didn't Parallax own Extant? Who was inferior to Classic ION? Of course people will just say thier favorite of the two. I have no such distinction.
Originally posted by Enyalusnot to mention, extant's creation threatened to collapse the mainstream DCU, just by existing. he was also omniscient, btw.
Cosmic Extant wins. And I'd say they're really close fights, but he pulls a solid 7/10 majority.I know Ion was omnipresent and extremely powerful, but Cosmic Extant was also omnipresent, showed incredible levels of power and has the higher feat IMO (creating his own 'universe' [which was essentially a multiverse, wasn't it?] from nothing.)
Originally posted by fangirl101talking about doing something [as ion did] does not equate to actually doing it. not saying he was incapable of doing what he talked about, he just never did.
Ion actually messed with the Presence's plan and was rewriting Hal Jordan's history.
Originally posted by fangirl101that was ZH extant - who is leagues below cosmic extant [whom possessed the worlogog/mobius chair].
And Didn't Parallax own Extant?
