Green Willpower Whale > Yellow Fear Bug

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Sorry w.t.f has Hal got to be "rageful" about ?

Being given a second chance by the universe ?
Being all but totally forgiven by the entire Lantern Corp.
Continually being reckless and unpunished?

What the hell is wrong with him ?

He apparently posses a great deal of rage towards Sinestro, blaming him for a lot of the shit he's been through over the years.

Prior to the Red Ring taking over, he's forcing Sinestro into a construct electric chair. Apparently, a red ring can be bestowed not just to a person who has a generally angry demeanor, but instead to one who has a particular moment of extraordinary rage. Kind of odd- it's not like a Green Lantern ring is given to someone who is generally lazy and idle, but manages to quit cigarettes cold turkey or something.

Originally posted by tjcoady
He apparently posses a great deal of rage towards Sinestro, blaming him for a lot of the shit he's been through over the years.

Prior to the Red Ring taking over, he's forcing Sinestro into a construct electric chair. Apparently, a red ring can be bestowed not just to a person who has a generally angry demeanor, but instead to one who has a particular moment of extraordinary rage. Kind of odd- it's not like a Green Lantern ring is given to someone who is generally lazy and idle, but manages to quit cigarettes cold turkey or something.

Well then Hal is a moron, as I'm pretty sure Sinetsro was there trying to stop him at one point. You re responsible even though you clearly tried to stop me ... yeah nice one there Hal.

You're idea about the Green Lanterns methods of recruitment, is amusing me a lot. I think you recognise the hypocrisy of the method.

sinestro goaded hal. he

Spoiler:
killed laira

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laira

as far as hal is concerned, sinestro is a tyrant that needs to be punished for his crimes.

i think anger is one of the more fleeting of the emotions on the spectrum, so it would have taken pushing hal too far to make the ring want him, rather than him being just an angry person at heart.

it applies to

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laira

as far as gl's go, from what i've read, i believe the ring seeks out a certain type of willpower, not just a general sense of it. it's about the ability to overcome great fear, not an addiction to caffeine or cocaine...

Originally posted by Raoul
sinestro goaded hal. he

Spoiler:
killed laira

just to get a rise out of hal. hal had just been through a war orchestrated by sinestro, where many lanterns died. he almost killed

Spoiler:
laira

many years before. when he found out she was alive, he did his best to save her. he was trying to save her when sinestro decided to wipe her out.

as far as hal is concerned, sinestro is a tyrant that needs to be punished for his crimes.

i think anger is one of the more fleeting of the emotions on the spectrum, so it would have taken pushing hal too far to make the ring want him, rather than him being just an angry person at heart.

as far as gl's go, from what i've read, i believe the ring seeks out a certain type of willpower, not just a general sense of it. it's about the ability to overcome great fear, not an addiction to caffeine or cocaine...

That kind of makes sense if you look at it from the perspective of a spectrum, rather than a single set of recruiting criteria- will, and green, is right in the center, and red is right at the outlier- and so is violet, which you can apparently grab a star sapphire membership for in a single moment of vast love (like when the one Star Sapphire loses her husband).

Originally posted by tjcoady
That kind of makes sense if you look at it from the perspective of a spectrum, rather than a single set of recruiting criteria- will, and green, is right in the center, and red is right at the outlier- and so is violet, which you can apparently grab a star sapphire membership for in a single moment of vast love (like when the one Star Sapphire loses her husband).

yup, exactly.

Originally posted by Raoul
sinestro goaded hal. he

Spoiler:
killed laira

just to get a rise out of hal. hal had just been through a war orchestrated by sinestro, where many lanterns died. he almost killed

Spoiler:
laira

many years before. when he found out she was alive, he did his best to save her. he was trying to save her when sinestro decided to wipe her out.

as far as hal is concerned, sinestro is a tyrant that needs to be punished for his crimes.

Rubbish, Hal comes across tyrants like Sinestro all the time without conveying this intrinsic RAGE. This is a poorly executed plot device, which I'm willing to suspend my disbelief about because it takes the story to very interesting places. In other words its a fictional version of the poorly executed means justifying the creative ends. However the execution is still poor.

Originally posted by Raoul
i think anger is one of the more fleeting of the emotions on the spectrum, so it would have taken pushing hal too far to make the ring want him, rather than him being just an angry person at heart.

as far as gl's go, from what i've read, i believe the ring seeks out a certain type of willpower, not just a general sense of it. it's about the ability to overcome great fear, not an addiction to caffeine or cocaine...

Are you to say that those with cocaine habits don't have great fear about life and the problems its presents. Whose to say that psychological fears are any worse than more obvious physical ones ?

Massively playing Devils advocate here.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Rubbish, Hal comes across tyrants like Sinestro all the time without conveying this intrinsic RAGE. This is a poorly executed plot device, which I'm willing to suspend my disbelief about because it takes the story to very interesting places. In other words its a fictional version of the poorly executed means justifying the creative ends. However the execution is still poor.

i disagree. hal and sinestro have history. a vast, rich history. it's like xavier and magneto. no matter what some mutant tyrant does, when magneto does it, it always hits home harder for charles. its almost the same with hal. sinestro was someone he looked up to, someone he modelled himself after. then sinestro betrayed the corps. hal will always feel that little bit of rage inside over sinestro.

Are you to say that those with cocaine habits don't have great fear about life and the problems its presents. Whose to say that psychological fears are any worse than more obvious physical ones ?

Massively playing Devils advocate here.

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that's not what i'm saying at all. when the ring meets a new user, it says "you have the ability to overcome great fear". no matter what other kind of willpower you have, if you can overcome your own fears, then you get the ring.

Originally posted by Raoul
i disagree. hal and sinestro have history. a vast, rich history. it's like xavier and magneto. no matter what some mutant tyrant does, when magneto does it, it always hits home harder for charles. its almost the same with hal. sinestro was someone he looked up to, someone he modelled himself after. then sinestro betrayed the corps. hal will always feel that little bit of rage inside over sinestro.

I understand what you are saying, but it just isn't the case. Just because he is justified in having Rage towrads Sinestro doesn't mean he has. To use your example, I wouldn't say that Xavier is a good candidate for Red Lantern recruitment, because he might have some anger towards Magneto.

Originally posted by Raoul
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that's not what i'm saying at all. when the ring meets a new user, it says "you have the ability to overcome great fear". no matter what other kind of willpower you have, if you can overcome your own fears, then you get the ring.

Don't worry i cant be arsed to follow my point here.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
I understand what you are saying, but it just isn't the case. Just because he is justified in having Rage towrads Sinestro doesn't mean he has. To use your example, I wouldn't say that Xavier is a good candidate for Red Lantern recruitment, because he might have some anger towards Magneto.

i'm not saying hal was the ideal choice, i'm saying that it can be justified if you look at it from a certain way. Hal isn't like superman. he's a drinking, partying, promiscuous kind of guy. sure, deep down he's a good guy, but he's never been known for his emotional restraint.

him wanting sinestro executed? ok, sure, that's a stretch, but they've fought before, many times. hal has seen sinestro at his most brutal. also, he'd just come to rescue sinestro, only for sinestro to turn around and kill someone hal was trying to save. these are uncertain time for the corps, too. the alpha lanterns are in full swing, the guardians are rewriting the book of oa, and hal is being pulled in numerous directions.

first, he's a green lantern escorting sinestro to be executed. then he gets told he's supposed to be a blue lantern. he's confused, he's frustrated, and when he tries to be a hero, he fails. only the most placid of superheroes isn't going to react with rage in that situation, imo.

i'm looking at it from the POV that its more a flash of intense rage rather than it being a long lasting personality trait... the ring latches on to that rage and amplifies it.

Originally posted by Raoul
i'm not saying hal was the ideal choice, i'm saying that it can be justified if you look at it from a certain way. Hal isn't like superman. he's a drinking, partying, promiscuous kind of guy. sure, deep down he's a good guy, but he's never been known for his emotional restraint.

him wanting sinestro executed? ok, sure, that's a stretch, but they've fought before, many times. hal has seen sinestro at his most brutal. also, he'd just come to rescue sinestro, only for sinestro to turn around and kill someone hal was trying to save. these are uncertain time for the corps, too. the alpha lanterns are in full swing, the guardians are rewriting the book of oa, and hal is being pulled in numerous directions.

first, he's a green lantern escorting sinestro to be executed. then he gets told he's supposed to be a blue lantern. he's confused, he's frustrated, and when he tries to be a hero, he fails. only the most placid of superheroes isn't going to react with rage in that situation, imo.

i'm looking at it from the POV that its more a flash of intense rage rather than it being a long lasting personality trait... the ring latches on to that rage and amplifies it.

Agreed ... If its portrayed as a more harboring bitterness rather than as you say POV fustration, i wont be happy. But i'll let it go as it is basically an interesting plot development.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Agreed ... If its portrayed as a more harboring bitterness rather than as you say POV fustration, i wont be happy. But i'll let it go as it is basically an interesting plot development.

oh, if its some sort of lifelong anger, its bullshit.

Originally posted by Raoul
oh, if its some sort of lifelong anger, its bullshit.

I'm not so sure. Generally, Hal has been pretty relaxed throughout most of his history. But, of course, there's the whole slaughtering the Guardians and attempting to kill everybody, ever stage of his life.... and Johns' recent "Secret Origins" did show Hal has having A LOT of moments of absolute rage in his life- when his dad dies, for instance, and the fury he had for most of his life towards Ferris (both the company and the man).

can anybody tell me why hal power is being drain when the red lantern ambush him??can the red ring do that??

Originally posted by Slaanesh
can anybody tell me why hal power is being drain when the red lantern ambush him??can the red ring do that??

Well, apparently being close to a "Hope" Lantern supercharges the ring- Hal's was at over two-hundred percent...

So, maybe the presence of "Rage" lanterns automatically drains a Will-ring.

All these emotion rings! I feel like I'm reading Taking Back Sunday's version of "Lord of the Rings."

Originally posted by tjcoady
Well, apparently being close to a "Hope" Lantern supercharges the ring- Hal's was at over two-hundred percent...

So, maybe the presence of "Rage" lanterns automatically drains a Will-ring.

All these emotion rings! I feel like I'm reading Taking Back Sunday's version of "Lord of the Rings."

if that is true..it would be suck to be a green lantern if u r fighting a red one huh 😆

Originally posted by tjcoady
I'm not so sure. Generally, Hal has been pretty relaxed throughout most of his history. But, of course, there's the whole slaughtering the Guardians and attempting to kill everybody, ever stage of his life.... and Johns' recent "Secret Origins" did show Hal has having A LOT of moments of absolute rage in his life- when his dad dies, for instance, and the fury he had for most of his life towards Ferris (both the company and the man).

i saw a lot of that as being more frustration or regret, not downright anger...

To quote Bilbo from the lord of the rings......"This feels like butter spread over to much bread"...i get the feeling this lead up to blackest night is wearing thin.....even seeing the promos and action figures...i have not been pleased with GL or GL corps....i admit to being interested when it first started.even excited...but i find all this..tieng into hals past and the color sprectrum -is not being done right...they bring back hal.....and being 38 years old, i have always been a favorite of hal....but i dont buy this...it seems they are desperate to not let hal fall into the land of boredom that he was in pre parallax era....i find myself wondering how much better it would be with Kyle as the focal point and hal as the spectre..giving advice or some such

Originally posted by manjaro
yeahh the whole him being un erringly defiant and stubborn has gotten old...for all his faults at least kyle has evolved over the yrs

Originally posted by starlock
To quote Bilbo from the lord of the rings......"This feels like butter spread over to much bread"...i get the feeling this lead up to blackest night is wearing thin.....even seeing the promos and action figures...i have not been pleased with GL or GL corps....i admit to being interested when it first started.even excited...but i find all this..tieng into hals past and the color sprectrum -is not being done right...they bring back hal.....and being 38 years old, i have always been a favorite of hal....but i dont buy this...it seems they are desperate to not let hal fall into the land of boredom that he was in pre parallax era....i find myself wondering how much better it would be with Kyle as the focal point and hal as the spectre..giving advice or some such

Originally posted by starlock
To quote Bilbo from the lord of the rings......"This feels like butter spread over to much bread"...i get the feeling this lead up to blackest night is wearing thin.....even seeing the promos and action figures...i have not been pleased with GL or GL corps....i admit to being interested when it first started.even excited...but i find all this..tieng into hals past and the color sprectrum -is not being done right...they bring back hal.....and being 38 years old, i have always been a favorite of hal....but i dont buy this...it seems they are desperate to not let hal fall into the land of boredom that he was in pre parallax era....i find myself wondering how much better it would be with Kyle as the focal point and hal as the spectre..giving advice or some such

Agreed !