Power Cosmic Vs Oa Central Battery

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Has infinity ever done anything to say she's close to eternity in power?

Eternity and Infinity are equals:

This is the Totality of Eternity and Infinity (the Multiverse)

"An ASTRAL UNION of ALL, I NEVER DREAMT"

"You interrupt MORTAL"

"Speak your piece quickly and BE GONE"

"We cannot be overly Preoccupied by ANY ONE ASPECT of OUR Reality"

"WE are ALL, NO ONE PART of the WHOLE is absolutely indispensable"

"the Embodiment of ACTUALITY, WE Exist in MYRIAD Fashions"

"Do NOT pester US, UNLIKE OURSELVES, OUR patience is not without limits"

Eternity - embodiment of Time

Infinity - embodiment of Space

A different side of the same coin:

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO. I certainly believe that big G would beat Odin or Zeus. But nieither are just going to be taken out with an all out blast.

Question Mark

Originally posted by Mr Master
Eternity and Infinity are equals:

"An ASTRAL UNION of ALL, I NEVER DREAMT"

"You interrupt MORTAL"

"Speak your piece quickly and BE GONE"

"We cannot be overly Preoccupied by ANY ONE ASPECT of OUR Reality"

"WE are ALL, NO ONE PART of the WHOLE is absolutely indispensable"

"the Embodiment of ACTUALITY, WE Exist in MYRIAD Fashions"

"Do NOT pester US, UNLIKE OURSELVES, OUR patience is not without limits"

Eternity - embodiment of Time

Infinity - embodiment of Space

A different side of the same coin:

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Galactus can be beaten by anyone in marvel who is a universal power or above.

Or dumb writers. . .
Though, against a full powered galactus I doubt it.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Or dumb writers. . .
Though, against a full powered galactus I doubt it.

Who is this Full powered galactus that you speak of?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Who is this Full powered galactus that you speak of?

The one that the watcher said could destroy the universe ten times over.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
The one that the watcher said could destroy the universe ten times over.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
The one that the watcher said could destroy the universe ten times over.

Has he ever done so or been shown to do so?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Has he ever done so or been shown to do so?

why would galactus be shown destroying the universe ten times over? Galactus isn't evil- he represents a "balance" in the marvel universe.

The watcher is established as an impartial observer and has no reason to lie, and has never done so- he might be THE most credible witness that exists in marvel continuity.

That being said, Galactus has been shown on panel absorbing the universe. yes, the whole thing. (during the incident with tiamut, in an alternate future.)

The nullifer, also part of galactus has also obliterated the totality of the MU. not just one universe. all of them. At once. that's tens of thousands, at last count.

Also, on this very page is a scan of a blast by galactus encompassing (and presumably wiping out) 3 entire star systems. ONE blast.

we haven't seen a "full potential" galactus yet (and probably never will, as galactus isn't a villain) but what we have seen puts him in the very, very high end in terms of marvel cosmic beings.

Originally posted by illadelph12
The Sum of the Power Cosmic versus the Sum of the Power Battery? I'd personally say draw as far as potency. You can't base it on the weilders because Surfer isn't the sum and Galactus, while embodying the power cosmic, has physical limitations, is never consistently depicted at full capacity, and uses a large amount of his personal power keeping Abraxus at bay.

I'd say they are interchangable, even given the Oan's powers supposed connection to the Source.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
why would galactus be shown destroying the universe ten times over? Galactus isn't evil- he represents a "balance" in the marvel universe.

The watcher is established as an impartial observer and has no reason to lie, and has never done so- he might be THE most credible witness that exists in marvel continuity.

That being said, Galactus has been shown on panel absorbing the universe. yes, the whole thing. (during the incident with tiamut, in an alternate future.)

The nullifer, also part of galactus has also obliterated the totality of the MU. not just one universe. all of them. At once. that's tens of thousands, at last count.

Also, on this very page is a scan of a blast by galactus encompassing (and presumably wiping out) 3 entire star systems. ONE blast.

we haven't seen a "full potential" galactus yet (and probably never will, as galactus isn't a villain) but what we have seen puts him in the very, very high end in terms of marvel cosmic beings.

He still is nothing compared to the power of OA. Hal jordan with it wiped away the universe and all alternate time streams,( other universes), Rebooted the fulture, created and destroyed alternate universes without realizing it, he fought the spectre, Got drained and still was able to do more shit. The power of OA can command souls, reverse or rewrite or stop time, mold reality, when has anyone with the power cosmic shown the power to rewrite reality? And Galactus absorbing the universe was in an alternate future. Does that count? And didn't the black celestial tamper with big g to do that? As for the watcher, I need more than one statement from one watcher. Galactus was supposed to be the equal of Death and eternity and all of a sudden he's ten times more powerful than his brother and sister? Shit, how in the world did annihilus ever trap such a powerful ten times the universe destroying creature?

Didn't Dr. Doom warp reality with Surfer's power (iirc)?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Didn't Dr. Doom warp reality with Surfer's power?

I thought he manipulated matter.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He still is nothing compared to the power of OA. Hal jordan with it wiped away the universe and all alternate time streams,( other universes), Rebooted the fulture, created and destroyed alternate universes without realizing it, he fought the spectre, Got drained and still was able to do more shit. The power of OA can command souls, reverse or rewrite or stop time, mold reality, when has anyone with the power cosmic shown the power to rewrite reality? And Galactus absorbing the universe was in an alternate future. Does that count? And didn't the black celestial tamper with big g to do that? As for the watcher, I need more than one statement from one watcher. Galactus was supposed to be the equal of Death and eternity and all of a sudden he's ten times more powerful than his brother and sister? Shit, how in the world did annihilus ever trap such a powerful ten times the universe destroying creature?

the nullifier can and has wiped away all universes within marvel as well as recreate them and their respective timelines. So yes, galactus via the nullifer HAS rewritten reality on a multiversal scale.

consider also that franklin richards had reality warping powers sufficient to create his own universe, yet is FAR, FAR below Galactus in the power scale. Hell, he and valeria completely burned their powers out trying to restore the big G.

surfer has been shown to not only be able to travel back in time but "across" it as well (whatever the hell that means) and galactus posesses all of surfer's abilities to a much greater degree.

Strange can stop time, as well as a host of other high end cosmic beings. it's not really a huge feat for abstract level entities.

The black celestial tampered with galactus to do that, but at the end of the day it was still just a galactus who had "lost control", implying that should galactus ever choose to cease restraining himself, that's what would happen.

Death and Eternity have no limits to their abilities either. They haven't been shown to run around the universe devastating it either, because like galactus they are forces of the universe, and it's not their "role" to do so.

Hell, the living tribunal is known to be the most powerful force that exists in marvel (excluding the HOTU, that story may or may not be canon) and yet he has almost no feats, outside of nullifying the infinity gems by "saying so."

Originally posted by Space M ummy
the nullifier can and has wiped away all universes within marvel as well as recreate them and their respective timelines. So yes, galactus via the nullifer HAS rewritten reality on a multiversal scale.

consider also that franklin richards had reality warping powers sufficient to create his own universe, yet is FAR, FAR below Galactus in the power scale. Hell, he and valeria completely burned their powers out trying to restore the big G.

surfer has been shown to not only be able to travel back in time but "across" it as well (whatever the hell that means) and galactus posesses all of surfer's abilities to a much greater degree.

Strange can stop time, as well as a host of other high end cosmic beings. it's not really a huge feat for abstract level entities.

The black celestial tampered with galactus to do that, but at the end of the day it was still just a galactus who had "lost control", implying that should galactus ever choose to cease restraining himself, that's what would happen.

Death and Eternity have no limits to their abilities either. They haven't been shown to run around the universe devastating it either, because like galactus they are forces of the universe, and it's not their "role" to do so.

Hell, the living tribunal is known to be the most powerful force that exists in marvel (excluding the HOTU, that story may or may not be canon) and yet he has almost no feats, outside of nullifying the infinity gems by "saying so."

NAh. LT has better feats than that. he recreated all the abstracts with a wave of his hand. That is the best feat by far. I don't ever remember thesurfer being able to stop or manipulate or even travel thru time. He had some wierd kind of time feat, but he wouldn't be able to do that or he'd have went back to his home planet and saved his wife. The OAn energy is more versatile and is as at least equal to if not more powerful than the PC. Look at it this way, Parallax or Classic ION could do what Thanos could with the IG. The IG>>>Galactus. nuff said.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I don't ever remember thesurfer being able to stop or manipulate or even travel thru time. He had some wierd kind of time feat, but he wouldn't be able to do that or he'd have went back to his home planet and saved his wife.

Actually, that holds some value... why hasn't he done so?

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Surfer has done all of those...

Actually, that holds some value... why hasn't he done so?

believe it or not, Zenn-La has been restored a couple of times already.

from wikipedia: (yeah, I know, I know)

In 1947, a species known only as the Other came to Zenn-La and completely destroyed every person and all signs of civilization on the planet. Galactus and the Surfer were in the same star system, but were rendered catatonic by the Other.[9] In an uncharacteristic act of compassion, Galactus recreated everything, restoring the people and the entire world exactly as it was. He knew that one day the Surfer would no longer be in his service, and wished that he would have a home to return to. No one, including the Surfer, was aware of what had transpired.

and that's not the only time. Zenn La has apparently been destroyed at least 3 or 4 times by now by various means.

A giant being referring to itself as 'the Great One' discovered Zenn-La and removed it from physical space, effectively killing all life, and changing it into a simulation inside of its brain. The Surfer discovered this and infiltrated the simulation with the aid of Moondragon. [18]

After Zenn-La had been restored once again, the Silver Surfer returned home to visit Shalla Bal, who was no longer Empress. By this time, much of Zenn-La's civilization had been rebuilt. To the Surfer's astonishment, he discovered that Shalla was now the lover of his heretofore unknown half-brother, Fennan Radd.[19] Shortly after, the Surfer travelled back in time to 1947, and discovered the true nature of his world.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
believe it or not, Zenn-La has been restored a couple of times already.

from wikipedia: (yeah, I know, I know)

and that's not the only time. Zenn La has apparently been destroyed at least 3 or 4 times by now by various means.

Also, I don't remember the second one exactly, but I think I recall reading it once... not sure though.
Does it say what comic this was? Or am I thinking of when he brought Alica back in time?
Probably the latter...

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Ya, I know Galactus recreated it.
Then, the hologram gave way, and I don't think Zenn-La has been around since then.
Legacy was on there at the time, and he lived there.

Also, I don't remember the second one exactly, but I think I recall reading it once... not sure though.
Does it say what comic this was? Or am I thinking of when he brought Alica back in time?
Probably the latter...

honestly I'm not sure. wikipedia says Silver Surfer v3 #101, by Ron Marz & Mike Friedman, Feb 1995

but I have no way to check this at the moment. it's 2am on the east coast and I'm getting tired.

this is also the reason why I'm not going to go into the numerous reasons why comparing Ion to the infinity gauntlet is ridiculous.