Ryu Hayabusa vs Cervantes de Leon

Originally posted by StyleTime
Why is it PIS? Link has the skills, weapons, AND magic to battle Ganon.

Experience will only get you so far.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Link in his short life realistically wouldn't have more skill than Ganon. Ganon is a master swordsman. Ganon's swords are always as large or larger than Link's body, but Link has the MS so I'll call it a draw. I dare you to say Link's magic even comes close to matching Ganon's. Ganon is much bigger and stronger than Link. Hell, Ganon is even FASTER than Link, say he's not and I'll destroy that futile argument.

Keep in mind I refer to Ocarina of Time here. In there, Link is able to match most everything Ganon has.

Ganon's strength advantage? Link has gauntlets that give him allow him to match that.

Durability? Link has potions, spells, shield, and the backing of the faeries.

Skill? Ganondorf probably beats him here, but Link is extremely talented though and has the Master Sword.

Equpiment? As you already know, Link is a medieval Batman and has an item for about every situation.

I think the fights go as they should. At least in Ocarina of Time.

I'm not disagreeing about speed, but I'm curious to know what makes you think Ganon is faster than Link?

Damn StyleTime's on a roll right now.

Strength: While Link may have the Gauntlets I don't think he uses them to his advantage during combat, if so I'll agree with you.

Durability: Ganon in WW had his entire fortress collapse while he was in it and didn't die, maybe even didn't get hurt, his durability is second to none in Zelda.

Skill: Link has skill to be sure but even in OoT Ganon's probably more than three times as old as Link(remember, he technically has only lived like 11 years)

Equipment: Don't know how this got brought up but most of Link's equipment is useless against Ganon so it really doesn't matter.

Magic: Ganon, easily.

As for speed, as shown in WW Ganon near the end of the game rushed Link in a flash before Link could react and knocked him out, and in TP a similar thing happens the instant he breaks his chains he rushes and kills a Sage with a punch. He's faster.🙂

I won't let my f*ckin thread die because of the new guy's nonstop reviving of dead threads.

Damn the FortressXB!tch!

Interesting how a thread debating the merits of Ryu from NG and Cervantes from SC turned into a Link vs Ganon matchup!

MEH! 😠

Originally posted by Rascaduanok
Interesting how a thread debating the merits of Ryu from NG and Cervantes from SC turned into a Link vs Ganon matchup!

PIS I say!

PIS indeed.

PIS is gay.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Strength: While Link may have the Gauntlets I don't think he uses them to his advantage during combat, if so I'll agree with you.

Durability: Ganon in WW had his entire fortress collapse while he was in it and didn't die, maybe even didn't get hurt, his durability is second to none in Zelda.

Skill: Link has skill to be sure but even in OoT Ganon's probably more than three times as old as Link(remember, he technically has only lived like 11 years)

Equipment: Don't know how this got brought up but most of Link's equipment is useless against Ganon so it really doesn't matter.

Magic: Ganon, easily.

As for speed, as shown in WW Ganon near the end of the game rushed Link in a flash before Link could react and knocked him out, and in TP a similar thing happens the instant he breaks his chains he rushes and kills a Sage with a punch. He's faster.🙂

Like I said, this applies to Ocarina of Time only. However, even if Ganon has better natural durability, Link can still make himself invincible. He has potions and faeries to heal and even revive himself. This allows Link to hang with Ganon in durability easily. In all honesty, Link's durability related abilities are better than Ganon's natural defense.

Like I said, Ganon may be more experienced, but that isn't everything.

I brought up equpiment because it also helps level the playing field. Light Arrows hurt Ganon. Link's shield and sword provide him protection from assault. There's also things like the Megaton Hammer which do hurt Ganon.

That one little thing isn't really much in the way of speed, but I'll give Ganon for the sake of argument. It won't really matter though given Link's other abilities.

It's not like Link just breezes through Ganon. However, to deny that Link has what it takes to fight the guy is rediculous.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
PIS indeed.

Originally posted by Rascaduanok
Interesting how a thread debating the merits of Ryu from NG and Cervantes from SC turned into a Link vs Ganon matchup!

It always comes down to Ganon vs The World with V2D.

No. I'll admit like Superman would beat him but Link beating him is PIS, oh and Prime, YOU have stated this to be true also. I may not have been here long, but I've been reading these forums for a long time.

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Well the whole Master Sword > Ganon thing is PIS, but I do not make the claim Link is a pussy ass not worthy of beating Ganon.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Like I said, this applies to Ocarina of Time only. However, even if Ganon has better natural durability, Link can still make himself [B]invincible. He has potions and faeries to heal and even revive himself. This allows Link to hang with Ganon in durability easily. In all honesty, Link's durability related abilities are better than Ganon's natural defense.

Like I said, Ganon may be more experienced, but that isn't everything.

I brought up equpiment because it also helps level the playing field. Light Arrows hurt Ganon. Link's shield and sword provide him protection from assault. There's also things like the Megaton Hammer which do hurt Ganon.

That one little thing isn't really much in the way of speed, but I'll give Ganon for the sake of argument. It won't really matter though given Link's other abilities.

It's not like Link just breezes through Ganon. However, to deny that Link has what it takes to fight the guy is rediculous.

No it's not. You may not like Link, but he is able to match Ganon overall in a fight. [/B]

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Link using fairies really isn't durability, but I agree that can level the playing field to an extent, and it's pretty stupid to use Nayru's Love in the fight with Ganon as you won't be able to use your Light Arrows. . Ganon's swordskill surpasses Link, at least you agree with me. Ganon's natural strength surpasses Link's also unless Link has gauntlets but it's not even known if they aid him in combat and exactly how strong the characters are. As far as the Megaton hammer hurting him this is a big beef I have with the Zelda series, in WW when Link slashed at Ganon with the MS before it unlocked it's true power the blade went right through him, yet the MH hurts his tail while in his monster form and enough hits will weaken him. Either using the MH is uncanon or the series contradicts itself. And those two speed feats prove my point, like I said in WW while doing it Link couldn't even react in time. And the haymaker of my argument, in OoT when Ganon was on his DYING BREATH in one burst of magic he destroyed the large room and the top of the castle and weakened his castle's integrity so it would collapse. Why couldn't he have done something similar to Link?

I'm fine throwing out the Megaton Hammer stuff.

Magic is tricky like that though. If I recall correctly, he casted an echantment to topple the castle. The spell was specifically designed to cause the castle's "self-destruct sequence". It wasn't like Ganon discharged magic energy or shot a fireball or something. I don't think it would actually have an effect on Link or Zelda or other non-castles.

I think you get what I'm saying though. Link's abilities and equpiment just level up the playing field. He probably couldn't take Ganon without those things. Link is similar to Hayabusa here. Hayabusa couldn't beat half of his enemies without ninpo/weapons/etc.

I will agree that the Master Sword is a plot device though.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I say durability because it doesn't really fit anywhere else. It's almost like a healing factor(Link) vs invulnerability(Ganon). If Ayane did a big ninpo attack on them, Ganon may survive and Link may be injured or die. However, Link is able to heal or revive. It seems like pick your poison deal to me. However, I think you already see the point. It just levels the playing field.

I'm fine throwing out the Megaton Hammer stuff.

Magic is tricky like that though. If I recall correctly, he casted an echantment to topple the castle. The spell was specifically designed to cause the castle's "self-destruct sequence". It wasn't like Ganon discharged magic energy or shot a fireball or something. I don't think it would actually have an effect on Link or Zelda or other non-castles.

I think you get what I'm saying though. Link's abilities and equpiment just level up the playing field. He probably couldn't take Ganon without those things. Link is similar to Hayabusa here. Hayabusa couldn't beat half of his enemies without ninpo/weapons/etc.

I will agree that the Master Sword is a plot device though.

I'm an ass and refuse to let my points go unheard Styletime.