(U.S. Supreme) Court strikes racial diversity school programs!!

It's "The Man" at it again...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070628/pl_nm/usa_race_schools_dc

"Students cannot be assigned to public schools because of their race, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled"

If they racially profiled "black" students; said "you go to that school, because you're black." you'd be crying foul too... Seems like a lose-lose.

So basically race is not a factor to getting in to school, some nuts want it to be but the supreme court are just a bunch of racists for denying it... I cant be arsed spot checking the article so I might have missed some thing but why should race play a role in deciding whether one is accepted in to public schools?

Originally posted by Magee
I cant be arsed spot checking the article so I might have missed some thing but why should race play a role in deciding whether one is accepted in to public schools?

I'm in the same boat as you on this one...You should go to a school based on geographics...not your race...but then that leaves people stuck at crappy schools in the ghetto sometimes...I don't know...It is waaay to complicated for just one solution.

Thank god. "In one case, Seattle used race as a tie-breaking factor in deciding who gets into certain public high schools when too many students sought admission."

Race shouldn't be a factor. Geographic location for public schools. Grades for private schools. Race should not enter it at ANY time.

I agree with Kinneary. Race should not be a deciding EVER, for schooling or anything. If a decision is made in favor of one race over any other (no matter which race it is in favor of) is racism.

You, FotN, are a racist.

Originally posted by Strangelove
I agree with Kinneary. Race should not be a deciding EVER, for schooling or anything. If a decision is made in favor of one race over any other (no matter which race it is in favor of) is racism.

You, FotN, are a racist.

Yes it is racists to allow blacks into primarily white schools, and it sucks for them because they will have to travel further to go to school, however the primarily white schools in richer area's are probably richer schools then those in crappy neighborhoods were a lot of black people live. So something can be said for these idea's.

It would be better to just improve schooling and let people form other geographic area's get into those schools instead of just black people, seeing as white people can live in crappy parts of a city too.

Originally posted by Fishy
Yes it is racists to allow blacks into primarily white schools, and it sucks for them because they will have to travel further to go to school, however the primarily white schools in richer area's are probably richer schools then those in crappy neighborhoods were a lot of black people live. So something can be said for these idea's.

Letting someone into a school, college, or job just because of their race is racism.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Don't put words in my mouth.

Letting someone into a school, college, or job just because of their race is racism.

Where the hell did I put words in your mouth? I am just saying that I can see why they would allow these programs to exist in the first place.

Yeah sure it's racists, but at this moment not all races get equal chances, this program is made to give everybody equal chances. So it does have some good aspects.

So making laws supporting racial discrimination is the right thing to do? Ever think it was a question of classism and not racism?

Originally posted by Kinneary
So making laws supporting racial discrimination is the right thing to do? Ever think it was a question of classism and not racism?

There we go. You hit the philosophical nail right on the head with that! THAT was what I was trying get at earlier.

Originally posted by Kinneary
So making laws supporting racial discrimination is the right thing to do? Ever think it was a question of classism and not racism?

No it's not the right thing, and as I said it would be better if they focused on geographical location instead of just the race part. But I also see why laws like this are around, probably easier to look if somebody is black or white then to look at what kind of neighborhood he or she lives in. Administration costs in most schools at least in this country are high enough as it is, creating extra criteria that can be seen as wide as the criteria of where you live is certainly not going to make things easier.

So yeah it's a bad thing, but there are some reasons for it being so and not all of them suck.

Originally posted by Fishy
No it's not the right thing, and as I said it would be better if they focused on geographical location instead of just the race part.

When you get a chance you are really going to have to explain the difference to me.

Anyways, this is basically another form of segregation. Some of you are making really stupid statements. Public schools are doing terribly and the ones they do really bad get money taken away which lead to a lot of kids getting grades they never earned simply so the school would not lose funds (damn "No Child Left Behind"😉. Does taking money away from a failing school make sense to anyone? How the hell do you ever cut anything from the education budget?

****ing politicians and their damn "intentions."

I wonder if I can still go to an "All Girls Private School"

(that would get me more dates)

No wait, I'm way pass my prime. 🙁

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I wonder if I can still go to an "All Girls Private School"

(that would get me more dates)

No wait, I'm way pass my prime. 🙁

[Im a nerd]Optimus Prime or Superman Prime?[/Im a nerd nerd]

That's what she said.

Originally posted by Fishy
No it's not the right thing, and as I said it would be better if they focused on geographical location instead of just the race part. But I also see why laws like this are around, probably easier to look if somebody is black or white then to look at what kind of neighborhood he or she lives in. Administration costs in most schools at least in this country are high enough as it is, creating extra criteria that can be seen as wide as the criteria of where you live is certainly not going to make things easier.

So yeah it's a bad thing, but there are some reasons for it being so and not all of them suck.

In the end, this discussion requires more than "Should a black kid get to go to a predominately white neighborhood's school because the white school is better funded?" It requires a question as to whether all state sponsored schools should get equal amount of funding. Or, also, how do we eliminate classism in our public education.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
It's "The Man" at it again...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070628/pl_nm/usa_race_schools_dc

I don't want black kids in my school either 13

We should just let economics do the segregation for us. 13

oh...and btw...using RACE as a tiebreaker (as in given all things equal, we'd rather have racial integration) is NOT racial profiling.

Originally posted by Fishy
Where the hell did I put words in your mouth? I am just saying that I can see why they would allow these programs to exist in the first place.

Yeah sure it's racists, but at this moment not all races get equal chances, this program is made to give everybody equal chances. So it does have some good aspects.

I take no issue with the goals of programs like these, but the ends do not justify the means. There is a difference between advocating racial equality and being unequal to procure equality. Seems counterproductive, no?

Originally posted by Alliance
I don't want black kids in my school either 13

We should just let economics do the segregation for us. 13

oh...and btw...using RACE as a tiebreaker (as in given all things equal, we'd rather have racial integration) is NOT racial profiling.