Originally posted by Avlon
Clark has used sonics to an impressive degree a few times. He's also actively mentored Supergirl in using her powers.
Please show us some sonic feats that Superman has done. I guess Superman can win because he is more versatile but you havnet proven that he is stronger than WWH. The wheel of Maggy contradicts his other strength feats.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Please show us some sonic feats that Superman has done. I guess Superman can win because he is more versatile but you havnet proven that he is stronger than WWH. The wheel of Maggy contradicts his other strength feats.
Recent feats are him using white noise on "Z" and sonics to stop Subjekt 13. There are more....but those 2 in particular stand out.
Originally posted by Avlon
Recent feats are him using white noise on "Z" and sonics to stop Subjekt 13. There are more....but those 2 in particular stand out.
That doesnt mean anything I dont know who Z and subject 13 are at any rate Hulk seems to have taken BBs scream. The thing was so powerful people in NYC codul see it. So sonics dont neccsearily give Hulk the win.
Originally posted by Alfheim
That doesnt mean anything I dont know who Z and subject 13 are at any rate Hulk seems to have taken BBs scream. The thing was so powerful people in NYC codul see it. So sonics dont neccsearily give Hulk the win.
It's not my job to educate you. I answered your question.
If BB's scream couldn't take out the Hulk who is nowhere near as durable as Superman (but has a great healing factor) then it's not all that impressive.
Superman can hang in the middle of the sun and has been in black hole's gravity without even messing up his hair.
Both Z and Subjekt 13 are extremely powerful as well.
Originally posted by Avlon
It's not my job to educate you. I answered your question.
What you serioulsy expect me to buy the issues so I can debate with you, dont be obnoxius. I looked subject13 on wiki I couodnt find anything.
Originally posted by Avlon
If BB's scream couldn't take out the Hulk who is nowhere near as durable as Superman (but has a great healing factor) then it's not all that impressive.
BBs power was enough to scare a being that collected galaxies.
Heres two options BB couldnt take out WWH therefore:
A: BB is crap
Or
B: Hulk has had a powerful upgrade that explains why he could take it.
Originally posted by Avlon
Superman can hang in the middle of the sun
Doesnt the sun make him more powerful?
Originally posted by Avlon
and has been in black hole's gravity without even messing up his hair.
...didnt he have trouble containing a small black hole? I think SS has been through a Black Hole and im I think WWH would give Surfer a good fight.
Originally posted by Avlon
Both Z and Subjekt 13 are extremely powerful as well.
Well that clears everything up 🙄
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Subjekt 17 has Superman level strength, speed and durability
Nobodies proved that Superman is far stronger than WWH or more durable.
Superman could win through speed however CIS on and it means he probably wont use it straight away.
WWH has dealt with some pretty strong characters and im sure he could use his energy to counter the speed.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
combined with telepathy, telekinesis, flight, X ray vision and sonics.
Hulk is immune to telepathy.
Has taken BBs scream so telekinesis and sonics dont neccesarily dont mean anything.
Also WWH can generate energy.
http://en.dcdatabaseproject.com/Subjekt-17#Powers
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Originally posted by Alfheim
What you serioulsy expect me to buy the issues so I can debate with you, dont be obnoxius. I looked subject13 on wiki I couodnt find anything.
Am I supposed to spoon feed you the info? Seriously, there are scans in the respect thread.
Originally posted by Alfheim
BBs power was enough to scare a being that collected galaxies.Heres two options BB couldnt take out WWH therefore:
A: BB is crap
Or
B: Hulk has had a powerful upgrade that explains why he could take it.
Since Supes >>>>Hulk...this is a no brainer.
Originally posted by Alfheim
[QUOTE=9838702]Originally posted by Alfheim
[B]Doesnt the sun make him more powerful?
Yes it does..however, a black hole and equivalent gravity don't do anything for his power levels.
Originally posted by Alfheim
...didnt he have trouble containing a small black hole? I think SS has been through a Black Hole and im I think WWH would give Surfer a good fight.
Surfer is not the physical brawling monster that Hulk or Superman are.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well that clears everything up 🙄
Yes...because eye rolling makes me want to really describe things to you.
Originally posted by Avlon
Am I supposed to spoon feed you the info? Seriously, there are scans in the respect thread.
Theres no need to be rude. Ive been through the Superman respect thread but its 70 pages long. Something tells me you wouldnt go through 70 pages just to debate with me on something you didnt know either.
If you dont want to give me info fine, other posters do it there is no need to be rude especially when your not exactly one of the non-biased debators.
Originally posted by Avlon
Since Supes >>>>Hulk...this is a no brainer.
Look. In terms of strength the only feat that has put him above WWH is that massive wheel but that contradicts his other feats. Im no expert on Superman but on set of scans Superman says "I cant push planets around."
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/Supermanpush.jpg
Originally posted by Avlon
Yes it does..however, a black hole and equivalent gravity don't do anything for his power levels.
...but Superman still had trouble closing a small black hole?
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupesblackholeJLA77.jpg
Originally posted by Avlon
Surfer is not the physical brawling monster that Hulk or Superman are.
Again Superman had trouble containing a small black hole, therefore he should not be able to travel through one....and SS has done it therefore no big deal.
Originally posted by B.A
He also has later statements saying he does move planets.
Planets or palnetoids. With all due respect you showed a scan where it says Superman throws a ship the size of the moon further evidence indicates that it was the size of a small moon, so im not taking your word for it.
So far Superman has needed help to push objects the size of earth. Moved objects smaller than the moon through space that means they could be less than the 1 percent the size of earth. Hell Hulk has smashed an asteroid twice the size of earth with one punch and thats not even WWH.
It seems you still have nothing. I want proof.
This isnt even WWH.
The Hulk overcomes a field of energy powerful enough to change the orbit of a planet! TTA #89
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IE/TTA89.jpg
You wanna talk about sonics?
The Hulk endures and then deflects the Night-Crawler's sonic attack which was so powerful it destroys the Dark Cosmos. IH #126
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IE/IH126b.jpg
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IE/IH126c.jpg
The cosmos sounds like a small dimension.....
Once more resisting Vector's all-out TK. It should be noted that Vector is far more powerful than previously. In IH #304, Vector pushed himself beyond his previous limits and actually repelled REALITY (which is how the U-Foes wound up at the Crossroads). And here, he does it again. IH #305
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IE/IH305b.jpg
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IE/IH305c.jpg
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IE/IH305d.jpg
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Originally posted by Alfheim😐
Planets or palnetoids. With all due respect you showed a scan where it says Superman throws a ship the size of the moon further evidence indicates that it was the size of a small moon, so im not taking your word for it.So far Superman has needed help to push objects the size of earth. Moved objects smaller than the moon through space that means they could be less than the 1 percent the size of earth. Hell Hulk has smashed an asteroid twice the size of earth with one punch and thats not even WWH.
It seems you still have nothing. I want proof.
So ingoring the scan that shows him above Hulk you then refuse to believe somethiung I got from one of the respected members and say i have nothing.
You have nothing.
Alf = 😂 .
Likes to ignore evidence I see.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Theres no need to be rude. Ive been through the Superman respect thread but its 70 pages long. Something tells me you wouldnt go through 70 pages just to debate with me on something you didnt know either.If you dont want to give me info fine, other posters do it there is no need to be rude especially when your not exactly one of the non-biased debators.
I give as I get. If you have been through the thread.. the scans are there...but you are right...who wanted to go through 70 pages?
I know Supes very well, and I grew up reading more Marvel than DC. Scans were already posted with casual kryptonian feats that are above what was shown in WWH.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Look. In terms of strength the only feat that has put him above WWH is that massive wheel but that contradicts his other feats. Im no expert on Superman but on set of scans Superman says "I cant push planets around."http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/Supermanpush.jpg
There is another scan where Superman says he did and can push planets around.
Originally posted by Alfheim
...but Superman still had trouble closing a small black hole?http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupesblackholeJLA77.jpg
Holding a black hole and containing it in your hands...no matter what size is impressive.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Again Superman had trouble containing a small black hole, therefore he should not be able to travel through one....and SS has done it therefore no big deal.
Surfer can't physically hold a black hole...he would use power cosmic for such a feat. Totally apples and oranges comparison. A young superman withstood the gravity of a black hole just fine.
In all due respect, I think that wwh is alot stronger than superman, thats just me. I also think that he can take more punishment then superman and I also think by his showings taking on powerful beings that he might could get a majority over superman. Now if this was regular hulk then I would give it to superman.
The reason Im saying all of these things is because I was reading a topic from writer marc guggenheim and he was saying that hulk has gotten a huge upgrade in speed, strength, and durability and that he has become one of the most powerful beings in comics (even though I dont agree with the last statement). I cant find or think of a way that superman would take hulk down UNLESS its through bfr and he would have a hard time doing that.
I give the majority to wwh, I dont know how much of the majority yet but I'll think of something.
Originally posted by B.A
He also has later statements saying he does move planets.
Originally posted by Alfheim
This isnt even WWH.The Hulk overcomes a field of energy powerful enough to change the orbit of a planet! TTA #89
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IE/TTA89.jpg
Originally posted by Avlon
I know Supes very well, and I grew up reading more Marvel than DC. Scans were already posted with casual kryptonian feats that are above what was shown in WWH.
Maybe you have feats that are above WWH, but we know this is the most powerful version and a weaker verison of the Hulk has feats to match Superman.
Originally posted by Avlon
There is another scan where Superman says he did and can push planets around.
Originally posted by Alfheim
This isnt even WWH.The Hulk overcomes a field of energy powerful enough to change the orbit of a planet! TTA #89
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IE/TTA89.jpg
Furthermore it depends on the context. I was told that Superman pushed Warworld only to find out later his strength was boosted. Im not taking anbodys word for it until I see the scans. To be frank some feats have been exagerrated.
Originally posted by Avlon
Holding a black hole and containing it in your hands...no matter what size is impressive.
Hold on wait a second did you just miss my point, because I think you did.
Originally posted by Avlon
Surfer can't physically hold a black hole...he would use power cosmic for such a feat.
He could use the power cosmic to boost his strength.
Originally posted by Avlon
Totally apples and oranges comparison. A young superman withstood the gravity of a black hole just fine.
What so the younger superman is more powerful than a grown up superman......is that what your telling me? So you're telling me takes tremendous effort to hold a small black hole but it makes sense that he can travel through one effortlessly?
Supes win this, but via BFR 9/10, if he tussles and tries to go hand to hand WWH takes it.
Something the Superman fanboys fail to remember is that old Hulk feats are still canon. Marvel didn't have a big continuity reboot.
So Hulk's old crazy strength feats still count, since the Superman fans bring up the Mageddon feat for Superman.
His strength can literally grow to infinity, and that's on-panel. Even Stan Lee himself said that Hulk would win in a fight against Supes, but that was pre-WWH.
Originally posted by B.A
In a brawl. Its possible Huc wins but that is ignoring Superman's feats that put him above WWH. But you are so in love you Huc you think anything else is a lie.
Who is huc?
Do you mean Hulk you ignorant waste of a busted nut?
Seriously shutup,if you honestly think any of the better Hulks loses to Supes in a slugfest then KMC is the place to be.
Supes couldnt do half the stuff WWH did.
^^you see how easy it is to type something worthless without evidence.
Moving on,you do know Supes can fly at FTL speeds right,so take away any feats where that extra propulsion pitched in and you've got nothing ground-based that can compare to Hulk.Hell most of Supes feats in general dont have anything on Hulk's feats.
