World War Hulk vs Superman

Originally posted by Avlon
Sucks for WWH that DC top tiers are ridiculously over powered. Super speed + Super strength, Invulnerability + some kind of insane power added is the norm for them. Don't get mad at me for DC having overpowered characters... it's why so many Marvelites hang on the cosmic nutsack... it's the only level that seems to be able to hang with the DC top tiers.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Sure he would stomp WWH,

Superman is not beating WWH in strength. Ive been asking for proof and ive been given jack so far.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Superman is not beating WWH in strength. Ive been asking for proof and ive been given jack so far.

there's a superman respect thread full of it...

and then there's the little fact of not proving hulk is strong enough to beat superman, which the pro-hulk debators havent done so far...

Originally posted by strengthkills
i doubt it maybe durability,but not so much in strength,it would be illogical to think someone could outclass limitless strength

Does WWH actually have access to limitless strength though? I know everyone likes to quote pre-retcon Beyonder on his statement that Hulk is an infinity of power, but I thought he also quantified that statement by saying that it was due to the absense of Banner who is the finite, limiting factor in the Hulk's strength?

And WWH was somewhat at peace with his weaker, alter-ego.

Originally posted by pr1983
there's a superman respect thread full of it...

Ive been to the superman respect thread...nothing. Ive asked yu guys for feats...nothing. Im not going through all 70 pages. 😒:
The fact I even know that there are exactly 70 pages shows I took the effort to look.

Originally posted by pr1983

and then there's the little fact of not proving hulk is strong enough to beat superman, which the pro-hulk debators havent done so far...

If you look at Hulk feats and Superman feats there feats are comparable.......

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ive been to the superman respect thread...nothing. Ive asked yu guys for feats...nothing. Im not going through all 70 pages. 😒:
The fact I even know that there are exactly 70 pages shows I took the effort to look.

If you look at Hulk feats and Superman feats there feats are comparable.......

upper tier strength feats?

fine: mageddon wheel (scan has been shown already i believe),

pushing a pluto sized planet with engines (warworld) into a boom tube.. brainiac actually says 'full thruster countermeasure' so superman is pushing basically pluto with engines that are pushing against him. he's not stopping it moving, he's pushing it back into a boom tube...

fighting orion and darkseid h2h and being their equal, which is a massive feat considering how strong they are...

if we're going to use the sacrifice arc, then so be it... Superman punched through john stewart's construct that was desgined to hold him...

ripping apart imperiex probes during owaw that the entire justice league had trouble with... they have trouble with one (and this is ww, mm, kyle and the flash), and superman takes on several at a time...

thats just a few, and doesnt take into account his other powers, speed or durability, all which will be factors in this fight...

comparable? some are maybe, but if you're going to compare, compare hulks highest to superman's highest, and imo there is a rather considerable gap there... not huge by any means, but a definitive 'clark is stronger than hulk' gap...

Originally posted by Air Legend
Are you ****ing retarded? Marvel cosmics the only level that seems to hang with DC top tiers? Marvel cosmics own DC and their weakass cosmics. Your Superman fanboyism has got to stop. Sure he would stomp WWH, but when you say Dr. Strange can't beat Superman, that's when you cross the line. You need to pull your head out of your ass, cuz if you didn't know, Superman is not the strongest herald level being.

can't believe i didn't spot this...

you're out of line, and that kind of language is incredibly uncalled for...

so he thinks marvel cosmics are all that can hang with top tier dc characters... so? its his opinion, and he's entitled to it... its not as if there's no basis for him having his opinion is there?

also, surely he considers a full powered strange to be cosmic level...

so please try not to overreact so much next time, ok?

Originally posted by pr1983
upper tier strength feats?

fine: mageddon wheel (scan has been shown already i believe),

That sounds like PIS.

Its PIS because the wheels dwarf the solar system, all his other feats are 100s or even millions of times lower.

1. Needed to amp himself to push an object 200 times smaller than earth.
2. Said he couldnt push planets.
3. Needing WW and GLs help to pull the moon.
4. Struggling to push a planetoid, which again is an object smaller than the earth.
5. Apparently hes said that he can push planets but that would depend on the size of the planet and the circulmstances were not explained eg OWAW Superman was amped. Even if he can thats alot less powerful than making something the size of the solar system work.

Originally posted by pr1983

pushing a pluto sized planet with engines (warworld) into a boom tube.. brainiac actually says 'full thruster countermeasure' so superman is pushing basically pluto with engines that are pushing against him. he's not stopping it moving, he's pushing it back into a boom tube...

Pluto is smaller than the moon which means that pluto is less than 1 percent of the volume of earth. Hulk has destroyed an astereoid twice the size of earth which means that Hulks feat was something like 200 times better than the above feat. Even with engines pushing I dont see that making his feat 200 times more difficult. Even if he was he was amped because he got power from the sun.

Originally posted by pr1983

fighting orion and darkseid h2h and being their equal, which is a massive feat considering how strong they are...

Well so far you havent even proven that Superman has a better feat than the Hulk, so they cant be that strong.

Originally posted by pr1983

if we're going to use the sacrifice arc, then so be it... Superman punched through john stewart's construct that was desgined to hold him...

Yes and you havnet even proven Superman is stronger than the Hulk in leaps and bounds yet....so there no point in telling me that he beat a construct that was designed to beat him when you havent got an feats

Originally posted by pr1983

ripping apart imperiex probes during owaw that the entire justice league had trouble with... they have trouble with one (and this is ww, mm, kyle and the flash), and superman takes on several at a time...

Wasnt he powered by the sun???

Originally posted by pr1983

thats just a few, and doesnt take into account his other powers, speed or durability, all which will be factors in this fight...

Speed yes and I bet you cant prove that hes more durable either. WWH tooks BBs scream.

Furthermore WWH can generate energy as well so he doesnt have to go H2H.

Originally posted by pr1983

comparable? some are maybe, but if you're going to compare, compare hulks highest to superman's highest, and imo there is a rather considerable gap there... not huge by any means, but a definitive 'clark is stronger than hulk' gap...

Well considering that Hulk (a weaker version of the Hulk) punched an asteroid twice the szie of earth and most Superman feats show Superman having to get amped to deal with objects 100s of times smaller than the earth WWH is stronger.

Originally posted by Alfheim
That sounds like PIS.

Its PIS because the wheels dwarf the solar system, all his other feats are 100s or even millions of times lower.

1. Needed to amp himself to push an object 200 times smaller than earth.
2. Said he couldnt push planets.
3. Needing WW and GLs help to pull the moon.
4. Struggling to push a planetoid, which again is an object smaller than the earth.
5. Apparently hes said that he can push planets but that would depend on the size of the planet and the circulmstances were not explained eg OWAW Superman was amped. Even if he can thats alot less powerful than making something the size of the solar system work.

again you grasp at the low feats while not considering the high ones...

even assuming that it was PIS, somehow PIS only applies to superman now does it?

Pluto is smaller than the moon which means that pluto is less than 1 percent of the volume of earth. Hulk has destroyed an astereoid twice the size of earth which means that Hulks feat was something like 200 times better than the above feat. Even with engines pushing I dont see that making his feat 200 times more difficult. Even if he was he was amped because he got power from the sun.

first of all, there's the fact that pluto is composed mainly of ice and silicates... warworld is not made of any such thing, so its bound to be harder to move that a floating block of ice...

it has engines that allowed the planet to travel incredibly fast... thats a hell of alot of force to push against... that not counting the fact that warworld is effectively a weapons planet...

and there's one other fact: superman could have easily destroyed warworld, he said so himself, and was about to until he realised that imperiex was inside and would be released if he did so, pushing it into the boomtube was the only answer...

Well so far you havent even proven that Superman has a better feat than the Hulk, so they cant be that strong.

and yet you havent proven hulk>superman...

Yes and you havnet even proven Superman is stronger than the Hulk in leaps and bounds yet....so there no point in telling me that he beat a construct that was designed to beat him when you havent got an feats

how is him punching through the construct not a feat in itself?

Wasnt he powered by the sun???

not anymore than he usually is, it being the source of his power and all...

Speed yes and I bet you cant prove that hes more durable either. WWH tooks BBs scream.

the skrull blackbolt that isnt as powerful as the original?

Furthermore WWH can generate energy as well so he doesnt have to go H2H.

superman has heat vision, cold breath, wind breath etc... all very powerful...

Well considering that Hulk (a weaker version of the Hulk) punched an asteroid twice the szie of earth and most Superman feats show Superman having to get amped to deal with objects 100s of times smaller than the earth WWH is stronger.

very few of his feats AT ALL require amping... if you went through 70 pages of the superman respect thread and didnt find anything, then thats more your reluctance to accept superman's feats as valid rather than his feats not actually being that good...

amazing how superman's high feats are PIS yet you take wwh as being totally valid... thats hypocrisy, it honestly is...

Originally posted by pr1983
again you grasp at the low feats while not considering the high ones...

even assuming that it was PIS, somehow PIS only applies to superman now does it?

Didnt you read my explanation? So basically you have loads of other feats with him moving objects the size of a solar system without assistance, because im juts going by the feats you gave me. I gave you detailed explantion of why I thought it was PIS, if your not going to read it whats the point?

Originally posted by pr1983

first of all, there's the fact that pluto is composed mainly of ice and silicates... warworld is not made of any such thing, so its bound to be harder to move that a floating block of ice...

it has engines that allowed the planet to travel incredibly fast... thats a hell of alot of force to push against... that not counting the fact that warworld is effectively a weapons planet...

and there's one other fact: superman could have easily destroyed warworld, he said so himself, and was about to until he realised that imperiex was inside and would be released if he did so, pushing it into the boomtube was the only answer...

Originally posted by Alfheim
Even if he was he was amped because he got power from the sun.

Originally posted by pr1983

and yet you havent proven hulk>superman...

Well until you give me a feat which you still have not done Hulk is stronger.

Originally posted by pr1983

how is him punching through the construct not a feat in itself?

..because you havent even proven that Superman is stronger anyway.

Originally posted by pr1983

not anymore than he usually is, it being the source of his power and all...

My good god. What are you telling me that Superman is always at that level? Superman dived into the power of the sun toi give himself a power boost so that feat is null and void. 🤨 I know he gets power from the sun but he gave hmself a power boost. 🤨

Originally posted by pr1983

the skrull blackbolt that isnt as powerful as the original?

Hes a skrull at any rate the scream was powerful enough to blow a chunch off the moon as big as rykers island so it was prety impressive.

Furthermore he resisted an attack from a person whos kinetic energy was strong enough to repel reality.

Originally posted by pr1983

superman has heat vision, cold breath, wind breath etc... all very powerful...

What your going to give me feats of those that dont mean anything as well?

Originally posted by pr1983

very few of his feats AT ALL require amping... if you went through 70 pages of the superman respect thread and didnt find anything, then thats more your reluctance to accept superman's feats as valid rather than his feats not actually being that good...

amazing how superman's high feats are PIS yet you take wwh as being totally valid... thats hypocrisy, it honestly is...

How dare you! You gave me a feat of him pushing Warworld.....he gave himself a powerboost, and you fail to acknowledge it and your calling me a hypocrite.

All the other feats that have been shown with the exception of the wheel indicate he cant move planets that are the size of the moon without asistance. Im not going through 70 pages of the respect thread but since you havent even given me any feats and your the superman fan i'll assume there arent any.

Originally posted by quanchi112
OK FIRST OFF i LOST TO NVER BECUZ OF ONE THING. SOLJER SAID i DID BETTER BUT AT THE TIME HE GAVE THE NOD TO DS not nver. I wonder if he changed hi smind with the way ds is currently being treated an a hoke now. To many low showings bringing down Ds now. But thats fine the general consensus on this forum is pro dc. I know it and you know it. When I lost that debate to by the way Batman hadnt made him bleed. 😆
Its funny that you bring this up when a herochatter came here talking shit and you wouldnt even defend Superman against Genis. Guess you just plain backed down huh?

Dc top tiers dont seem to be more powerful than Marvel top tiers. I mean do you really want me to name some powerful marvel heavyweights and compare them to dc heavyweights. Lets see Genis,Sentry,Thor,Beta Ray Bill,Silver Surfer,WW Hulk,Blackbolt,Scarlet Witch,Dr.Strange,Nova,Ronan,Firelord,Stardust,Terrax,Juggernaut,Quasar, need I go on. Oh yeah I think marvel is doing just fine. Plase dont try to insist dc has them beat outright its just not the case.

Black Adam took out dc heroes in packs at once. They were getting oneshotted and looked like idiots in the same way they challenged Prime. He wasnt even at full power and they couldnt even defeat him. Its funny when I see all the dc heroes ganging up becuz they look like idiots. Guess all those badasses tha you claim they have are pretty ineffective when it matters most.

No excuses needed...you lost to Nvr.... and using your boy on top of that... 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by Air Legend
Are you ****ing retarded? Marvel cosmics the only level that seems to hang with DC top tiers? Marvel cosmics own DC and their weakass cosmics. Your Superman fanboyism has got to stop. Sure he would stomp WWH, but when you say Dr. Strange can't beat Superman, that's when you cross the line. You need to pull your head out of your ass, cuz if you didn't know, Superman is not the strongest herald level being.

An emo like you shouldn't even be responding to retorts for others... stick with your own class of people..like golem. 🙂

I'll keep it civil since PR did an excellent job detailing how foolish and absolutely pointless your whole post was.

Originally posted by pr1983
upper tier strength feats?

fine: mageddon wheel (scan has been shown already i believe),

pushing a pluto sized planet with engines (warworld) into a boom tube.. brainiac actually says 'full thruster countermeasure' so superman is pushing basically pluto with engines that are pushing against him. he's not stopping it moving, he's pushing it back into a boom tube...

fighting orion and darkseid h2h and being their equal, which is a massive feat considering how strong they are...

if we're going to use the sacrifice arc, then so be it... Superman punched through john stewart's construct that was desgined to hold him...

ripping apart imperiex probes during owaw that the entire justice league had trouble with... they have trouble with one (and this is ww, mm, kyle and the flash), and superman takes on several at a time...

thats just a few, and doesnt take into account his other powers, speed or durability, all which will be factors in this fight...

comparable? some are maybe, but if you're going to compare, compare hulks highest to superman's highest, and imo there is a rather considerable gap there... not huge by any means, but a definitive 'clark is stronger than hulk' gap...

If he's been through the whole respect thread and couldn't find anything...then it's a lost cause..he doesn't want to see it.

That and the fact that I already showed superior kryptonian feats to what's been done in WWH..and for the most part, nobody was bloodlusted.

Air punches destroying the planet. A whistle stopping an earthquake, punching each other across the world without damaging each other, and punching across the solar system to keep fighting...and of course...making the earth tremble just by landing.

The laughable part is that I have still praised Hulk and said his feats were impressive..and stated the obvious about Marvel cosmics and DC and these guys want to hurl insults.

Originally posted by Avlon
If he's been through the whole respect thread and couldn't find anything...then it's a lost cause..he doesn't want to see it.

That and the fact that I already showed superior kryptonian feats to what's been done in WWH..and for the most part, nobody was bloodlusted.

Air punches destroying the planet. A whistle stopping an earthquake, punching each other across the world without damaging each other, and punching across the solar system to keep fighting...and of course...making the earth tremble just by landing.

The laughable part is that I have still praised Hulk and said his feats were impressive..and stated the obvious about Marvel cosmics and DC and these guys want to hurl insults.

QFT ....if someone has gone through that whole respect thread, and still says it is all moot, then there is really nothing that can be done apart from ignoring the person.

It is that simple.

If someone is so myopic that nothing will disuade them from their line of thinking, why bother?

There is something in the Bible about arguing with fools ....let's just say there are certain posters that 'debating' with just makes one look like a fool as well.

Ignore them. After all, at the end of the day it is just comics, and there are better ways to spend one's energies than arguing facts with fools.

And that is the truth right there.

Originally posted by Avlon

That and the fact that I already showed superior kryptonian feats to what's been done in WWH..and for the most part, nobody was bloodlusted.

What feats??????!!!!!

1. Pushing War world. Hes recieved a massive power boost
2. Pulling a planetoid. A planetoid is a small planet. Hulk smashes an asteroid twice the size of earth.
3. Throwing a spaceship the size of a small moon. That less than 1 percent the volume of earth. Hulk smashed an asteroid twice the size of earth.
4. Saying he cant push planets.
5. Needing help to pull the moon.
6. I still havent seen the scans of him saying he can push planets and what where the circumstance. [U] For example it was stated that Supes pushed Warworld but it was not stated that he recieved a power boost. It was stated that he lifted a spaceship the size of the moon....[U]it was the size of a small moon[/B]

People are in a habit of missing out vital information so until I get the scans of him saying it and the cirumstances explained im taking it with a pinch of salt.

7. As far as im concerned pulling the wheel is PIS because his other feats are 1000s of times lower.

Originally posted by Avlon

Air punches destroying the planet.

Excuse if he has trouble pulling the moon, and pulling a planetoid how the hell did he destroy a planet with an air punch? Are you leaving out vital information like he recieved a power boost?

Originally posted by Avlon

A whistle stopping an earthquake,

Is that as powerful as a field that can put a planet out of orbit. No its not.

Originally posted by Avlon

punching each other across the world without damaging each other,

What so Hulk cant punch somebody across the world and cant be unharmed by something that does similar?

Originally posted by Avlon

and punching across the solar system to keep fighting...and of course...

He punched somebody across a solar system?

Originally posted by Avlon

making the earth tremble just by landing.

Yeah and Hulk made the earth tremble just by walking....and?

Originally posted by spetznaz
QFT ....if someone has gone through that whole respect thread, and still says it is all moot, then there is really nothing that can be done apart from ignoring the person.

It is that simple.

If someone is so myopic that nothing will disuade them from their line of thinking, why bother?

There is something in the Bible about arguing with fools ....let's just say there are certain posters that 'debating' with just makes one look like a fool as well.

Ignore them. After all, at the end of the day it is just comics, and there are better ways to spend one's energies than arguing facts with fools.

And that is the truth right there.

Whats really annoying is ive explained what I think of the feats. Furthermore people leave out vital information like Superman recieveing a power boost and then have the audacity to call me a hypocrite.

Originally posted by pr1983
there's a superman respect thread full of it...

and then there's the little fact of not proving hulk is strong enough to beat superman, which the pro-hulk debators havent done so far...

Originally posted by Alfheim
Whats really annoying is ive explained what I think of the feats. Furthermore people leave out vital information like Superman recieveing a power boost and then have the audacity to call me a hypocrite.

Furthermore why is punching somebody across the world a big deal anyway? How much does the guy he punched weigh? Hell looking at his supes feats he should be able to pucnh people out of orbit smae with Hulk.

Good grief.