When was it ever said that Superman can take everybody in DBGT at once? Besides the first post in the Superman forum and a bunch of idiotic posts. It was said by a few people actually supporting Superman that all at once against Superman he'd loose. But he isn't loosing one on one.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
When you say Goku has never survived planet destroying blasts what about the Kamehameha? It was stated that Cell's Kamehameha would of destroyed the solar system if he wasn't stopped by Gohan. Not that it matters since in a fight with Itachi Goku's durability won't play a factor in this fight.
And the whole Solar Sytem destroying junk was all hyperbole or everything would be gone. If Cell could then Gohan would have had to stop his blast that beat Cell's blast but he lets it fly out into space. Majin Vegeta releases all of his energy at once when he tries to destroy Buu yet he only makes a large crater. DBZ is full of inconsitancies and hyperbole that is never proven only said.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
dante's appearance in shin megaten is probably cannon. ive explained this before. hes essential to the plot. everything in amallah. plus the devil may cry team was part of the shin megaten nocturne team. it all checks out.
Except it doesn't all check out. You think it's canon simply because the DMC team was on it. That doesn't mean anything except they can use their own character without having to get rights to it. Shin Megami Tensei feats aren't canon to Dante from Devil May Cry and neither are canon to Anime Dante.
Originally posted by leonheartmmYet Freeza didn't destroy the planet outright. Sure he made a planet destroying attack..yet it disrupted the core and made the planet destroy itself. That's really a pointless thing to put when he doesn't destroy it outright.
frieza who went on to 100% power and fought goku{creating his own planet destroying blast in the proces which destroyed namek in 10 minutes} goku went on to become super sayin and easily dealt with frieza and clearly stated "even if you can destroy a planet, you cant defeat me".
Originally posted by leonheartmm20 times stronger? When does it say Freeza was 20 times stronger when he came back? Also Gokou didn't evade Trunks' blows he blocked Trunks' sword attacks with his finger which is a cool thing in itself. Also Cell said he could destroy the Solar System when he was blowing himself up....The keyword is 'said'. Also Gohan toyed with the Cell before he died he didn't toy with Cell the second round.
later on earth, trunks in his super sayin, easily held, with one hand, a blast by frieza, 20 times more powerful than his namek destroying one and neutrralised it andcut frieza into pieces. the same trunks was not even a match for the incoming goku who evaded every blow of his single handedly. later cell, in his cmplete version was far far FAR more powerful than any of the metioned characters, and yet super sayin 2 gohan TOYED with the being who could destroy the entire solar system.
Originally posted by leonheartmmGokou doesn't take planet destroying blasts...Most of the blast that hit aren't that powerful of blasts yet they hurt him and he's hurt by punches that are no where near the physical power to destroy a planet. If Amaterasu can burn hotter than the sun, or just burn extremely hot he's not going to survive it. It's not like a ki blast which is something he can block and has burnt him before. It's fire that would engulf him and burn him alive.
theres no ground to the claim that goku cant take a planet destroying blast, he takes them more than he takes punches. and reguardless of amaterasu being hotter than any star core, i doubt if goku would be defeated by it.
Originally posted by leonheartmmThey sense the ki that the person is gathering when they sense attacks coming, and they sense the ki of the person arriving to know somebody is approaching. Large amounts of ki needs to be gathered to do bigger blasts while.
next, goku cant sense an incoming attack/counter genjutsu. actually if you remember, using ki, all dragon ball characters can sense the universe/events/incoming attacks/movement etc. this was shown by vegeta first in his fight against frieza when gohan/piccalo and the other cudnt see frieza's movement as it was far too fast for human comprehansion and light to keep up while vegeta easily saw it using his ki sense. they use it all the time, to sense when vessals are approaching etc. its elaborate, and if you dont know about it, uve never seen dragon ball.
Originally posted by leonheartmmIT is teleporting...not he actual speed so it really has nothing to do with it. He can IT anywhere he wants but if somebody is still faster than his normal speed they're going to be able to dodge him. And..I never said anybody in Naruto could fight Gokou..Itachi just has a chance to win but it wouldn't be a fight. Kakashi would also if he could do his Mangekyo Sharigan technique as fast as looking at somebody but Itachi's Sharigan, any form, traps them in a genjutsu as soon as their eyes meet. Gokou may be the faster fighter but he's not moving faster than what the Sharigan can trap him assuming it would work.
lthere is the move he learnt from the aliens which lets him instantly teleport which he first showed off by stealing his teacher's glasses and reappearing back simultaneously from the other side of the globe.end, NO1 from naruto, not even the kyuubi can even hope to fight goku.
IT is instant, so is Sharingan, so right when Itachi turned it on Goku would be behind him and kill him with a punch. Goku's Kamehameha would have destroyed the earth when fighting Cell but he ITed so it wouldn't and instead blew Cell in half. Oh and whether or not Frieza's Death Ball while fighting Trunks was 20 times stronger or not doesn't matter it was a planet destroying blast and Trunks easily stopped it with one hand.
Freeza's blast wouldn't have destroyed it outright though. Earth would have been destroyed sure but the same way Namek was. Yes IT is instant.. But Sharigan would activate as Gokou IT's trapping him in a genjutsu before he fully teleports and when he merges where Itachi should be it wouldn't matter he'd be in an illusion.
Gokou looks at Itachi, teleports to where behind Itachi is, nothing is there but is surrounded by multiple Itachi's he thinks Itachi is moving fast or something while Itachi is standing in the same place he's always been and as Gokou's trying to hit an illusion of Itachi he's burnt to cinders by one of the Uchiha's fire style jutsu's or Amaterasu. Or Gokou goes to IT and as he appears in a different place he's suddenly being tortured for what feels like days in just seconds.
That's just what I seen happening.
Originally posted by KentoFirst of all, Frieza stated that if he had fired the blast on Namek at full power it wouldn't take so long to be destroyed, when he threw his Death Ball at Trunks he was at full power as shown by the sheer size of the ball, and Trunks quite easily stopped it with one hand like it was weightless. IT is instant, and when I say instant, it means that's how long it takes to get to his destination, behind Itachi. Also, an alternative is, he just closes his eyes, as Itachi would need to look in them to use Sharingan, and don't say then Goku can't see because when Goku fights he doesn't use his eyes to see enemies movements, he tracks their Ki.
Freeza's blast wouldn't have destroyed it outright though. Earth would have been destroyed sure but the same way Namek was. Yes IT is instant.. But Sharigan would activate as Gokou IT's trapping him in a genjutsu before he fully teleports and when he merges where Itachi should be it wouldn't matter he'd be in an illusion.Gokou looks at Itachi, teleports to where behind Itachi is, nothing is there but is surrounded by multiple Itachi's he thinks Itachi is moving fast or something while Itachi is standing in the same place he's always been and as Gokou's trying to hit an illusion of Itachi he's burnt to cinders by one of the Uchiha's fire style jutsu's or Amaterasu. Or Gokou goes to IT and as he appears in a different place he's suddenly being tortured for what feels like days in just seconds.
That's just what I seen happening.
Originally posted by Violent2DopeCell also stated that him blowing himself up would destroy the solar system. Gokou's been stated to be the strongest in the world. It's not always true and its coming from Freeza...he's very egotistical nearly as much as Vegeta. And yea the alternative would work if Gokou always closed his eyes. Why do you think I said Itachi and not Kakashi or Sasuke. They have sharigans but I don't think they can win. Itachi's main thing is using illusions for torture and to win. Also yes IT is instant in travel. However using the move takes a few seconds longer than it takes to get places. That would be enough time to get caught in the Sharigan genjutsu.
First of all, Frieza stated that if he had fired the blast on Namek at full power it wouldn't take so long to be destroyed, when he threw his Death Ball at Trunks he was at full power as shown by the sheer size of the ball, and Trunks quite easily stopped it with one hand like it was weightless. IT is instant, and when I say instant, it means that's how long it takes to get to his destination, behind Itachi. Also, an alternative is, he just closes his eyes, as Itachi would need to look in them to use Sharingan, and don't say then Goku can't see because when Goku fights he doesn't use his eyes to see enemies movements, he tracks their Ki.
But whatever lets just agree to disagree and let this thread get back to it's topic.