The Disciple vs silver surfer

Originally posted by Tyrant
Of course...
Mammon wanted to have Spawn completely humiliate him, after his villain speech (including him saying he's more powerful, and controls Spawn, and even threatens him), and then wanted Spawn to play into his hands tricking Spawn into scratching his face, and leaving a nasty gash for all eternity.
The one thing I'm confused about, is what did this accomplish?
Was he trying to impress chicks, by saying he was in a gang fight, or something?

You suck for 2 good quarters, and I play perfect D on you, but you are just trying to make it seem like you suck. So when you do get the ball you completely fool me and I later learn I was fooled. Get it?

Originally posted by Tak
Imagine this like a basketball game.

You suck for 2 good quarters, and I play perfect D on you, but you are just trying to make it seem like you suck. So when you do get the ball you completely fool me and I later learn I was fooled. Get it?

Also, when did Mammon fool Spawn, with power after that?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Wasn't Spawn killed by the disciple at the Tree of life ??? I believe it says so in Spawns respect thread.

The Disciple ripped up Spawn (didnt successfully kill him tho) while Spawn was in the Dead Zone, where he is completely powerless.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Ya, I know all this.
I'm just finding it hard to figure out exactly how this puts her in a "f*cking murdering Surfer" level of power.

Are you kidding ?

She single handedly destroyed an entire army of high order Angels, all of whom were the equal of Mammon.

Angela, a lower level angel, below Mammon or Zera, is more than capable of battling off the Silver Surfer. Angela has fought cosmic'level threats before, such as the Argus in Curse of the Spawn. Some Archangels under God have the power to make entire stars go nova.

Angela's personal power is no where near Mammon's, and Mammon's power is nothing in comparison to Zera's.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Also, didn't First Age Spawn beat Mammon, anyway?

No, that was Second Age actually. Some sites will argue that second age Spawn was Spawn after issue #100, but his most impressive feats are performed within the times before he defeated urizen and after he defeated malebolgia. Spawn's power was much greater between issues #85 and #110, then they were between issues # 1-50

And you have to understand the circumstances:

1) Mammon was on Earth. Mammon is his most powerful in Hell.

2) Spawn, due to his connection to the Greenworld (the spirit of Earth), and due to his self-acquired independence of Heaven or Hell, was not vulnerable to any demon or angel at that moment.

3) Spawn humiliated Mammon, he didn't defeat him. He was holding Angela's lance, a weapon which is charged with the Light of Heaven itself which can delete any demon. Mammon being on Earth, a nuetral ground of angels and demons, was entirely vulnerable to being destroyed by an Angelic weapon.

4) Mammon even stated if they were both in Hell, he'd have Spawn's soul rendered to atoms for this affront.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Did I also let you make a permanent green jizz mark on my face?

Also, when did Mammon fool Spawn, with power after that?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
The Disciple ripped up Spawn (didnt successfully kill him tho) while Spawn was in the Dead Zone, where he is completely powerless.

No, that was Second Age actually. Some sites will argue that second age Spawn was Spawn after issue #100, but his most impressive feats are performed within the times before he defeated urizen and after he defeated malebolgia. Spawn's power was much greater between issues #85 and #110, then they were between issues # 1-50

And you have to understand the circumstances:

[b]1) Mammon was on Earth. Mammon is his most powerful in Hell.

2) Spawn, due to his connection to the Greenworld (the spirit of Earth), and due to his self-acquired independence of Heaven or Hell, was not vulnerable to any demon or angel at that moment.

3) Spawn humiliated Mammon, he didn't defeat him. He was holding Angela's lance, a weapon which is charged with the Light of Heaven itself which can delete any demon. Mammon being on Earth, a nuetral ground of angels and demons, was entirely vulnerable to being destroyed by an Angelic weapon.

4) Mammon even stated if they were both in Hell, he'd have Spawn's soul rendered to atoms for this affront. [/B]

Originally posted by Tak
Dude, long time no talk.

Takion is that u ?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Takion is that u ?

Originally posted by Tak
Yeah yo.

WATS UP MAN ! U REMMEBER ME AS LORD URIZEN !?!

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Are you kidding ?

She single handedly destroyed an entire army of high order Angels, all of whom were the equal of Mammon.

Angela, a lower level angel, below Mammon or Zera, is more than capable of battling off the Silver Surfer. Angela has fought cosmic'level threats before, such as the Argus in Curse of the Spawn. Some Archangels under God have the power to make entire stars go nova.

Angela's personal power is no where near Mammon's, and Mammon's power is nothing in comparison to Zera's.

It seems that everything is based off of "OMG GOD"! And not a lot of feats... to me anyway.

Stars going nova? When exactly was this anyway? I also remember retar... mid... someone, saying that Angela has destroyed galaxies.
I would like to ask, if you have scans of this.

*even though, she really doesn't have other feats to back this up, but meh, interested*

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
No, that was Second Age actually. Some sites will argue that second age Spawn was Spawn after issue #100, but his most impressive feats are performed within the times before he defeated urizen and after he defeated malebolgia. Spawn's power was much greater between issues #85 and #110, then they were between issues # 1-50

And you have to understand the circumstances:

[b]1) Mammon was on Earth. Mammon is his most powerful in Hell.

2) Spawn, due to his connection to the Greenworld (the spirit of Earth), and due to his self-acquired independence of Heaven or Hell, was not vulnerable to any demon or angel at that moment.

3) Spawn humiliated Mammon, he didn't defeat him. He was holding Angela's lance, a weapon which is charged with the Light of Heaven itself which can delete any demon. Mammon being on Earth, a nuetral ground of angels and demons, was entirely vulnerable to being destroyed by an Angelic weapon.

4) Mammon even stated if they were both in Hell, he'd have Spawn's soul rendered to atoms for this affront. [/B]

Also, wasn't Second Age brought on, because he defeated Malebolgia?

So, the rest of this, begs the question... Are the forgotten equal to Mammon when he's in hell?

Plus, if Mammon's in actuality, an angle, then why would his powers be greater in hell?

Originally posted by Tyrant
Which is the only thing I've seen from a Spawn character (besides God, Satan, and MoM, etc), that even compares to Surfer.

It seems that everything is based off of "OMG GOD"! And not a lot of feats... to me anyway.

Stars going nova? When exactly was this anyway? I also remember retar... mid... someone, saying that Angela has destroyed galaxies.
I would like to ask, if you have scans of this.

*even though, she really doesn't have other feats to back this up, but meh, interested*

Is there any conclusive proof though, that this was second age?
Even though, it still doesn't really make a difference.

Also, wasn't Second Age brought on, because he defeated Malebolgia?

So, the rest of this, begs the question... Are the forgotten equal to Mammon when he's in hell?

Plus, if Mammon's in actuality, an angle, then why would his powers be greater in hell?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
WATS UP MAN ! U REMMEBER ME AS LORD URIZEN !?!

Originally posted by Tak
An angle? I'm sure you mean angel. He may be a hybrid.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Which is the only thing I've seen from a Spawn character (besides God, Satan, and MoM, etc), that even compares to Surfer.

Then you haven't read enough Spawn.

Originally posted by Tyrant
It seems that everything is based off of "OMG GOD"! And not a lot of feats... to me anyway.

Well that's you. Most people here don't know enough about Spawn, which is why they misjudge him and his accomplishments.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Stars going nova? When exactly was this anyway? I also remember retar... mid... someone, saying that Angela has destroyed galaxies.
I would like to ask, if you have scans of this.

Curse of the Spawn

Issues 14-16 i beleive, they reference an Angel named Abdiel, who was at the time, God's most powerful warrior. Zera is basically his current replacement, storyline wise, but he had the power to kill immortals and make stars go nova. So did his kin of other angels.

Angela never destroyed a galaxy...she destroyed a creature named the Argus who was wiping out all life in several galaxies.

Originally posted by Tyrant
*even though, she really doesn't have other feats to back this up, but meh, interested*

She has plenty of impressive feats. Her abilities and accomplishments are as follows:

1) She murdered many hellspawn

2) She can travel as cosmic level speed

3) She has access to Heaven's light, a weapon most demons fear

4) Her lance can delete most demons

5) She can survive extreme temperatures, cold and hot

6) She defeated the Argus, a soul-eating cybernetic beast who ate the souls of a civilization and continued to destroy the cosmic fabric of galaxies.

7) She almost killed Gabrielle, a high ranking angel

8) She took on an entire host of angels by herself, preventing them from reaching Urizen

9) The energy from her lance toppled Urizen, a dark immortal god.

10) She beat the shit out of Malebolgia in Hell. She cut his stomach open and impaled his neck. (only to find he was still alive tho... 🙁 )

Originally posted by Tyrant
Is there any conclusive proof though, that this was second age?
Even though, it still doesn't really make a difference.

None, people debate all the time over who was second age, who was first age. First Age Spawn is mad weak though compared to Second Age.

Only Second Age could truly do what he did to Mammon and Urizen.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Also, wasn't Second Age brought on, because he defeated Malebolgia?

That's debatable.

Originally posted by Tyrant
So, the rest of this, begs the question... Are the forgotten equal to Mammon when he's in hell?

That much is unknown. Spawn, however, had no way of defeating them. To save the girl, he had to agree to a pact.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Plus, if Mammon's in actuality, an angle, then why would his powers be greater in hell?

Because he was cast out of Heaven. He has no access to Heaven's energies. He integrated himself into the fabric of Hell, usurping its power, making it his own while Satan was away.

Before Satan's arrival, he was the most powerful demon in Hell. He became a demon after letting go of his angelic identity.

How he acquired that power, however, is still unknown.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Then you haven't read enough Spawn.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Well that's you. Most people here don't know enough about Spawn, which is why they misjudge him and his accomplishments.

What does that tell you?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Curse of the Spawn

Issues 14-16 i beleive, they reference an Angel named Abdiel, who was at the time, God's most powerful warrior. Zera is basically his current replacement, storyline wise, but he had the power to kill immortals and make stars go nova. So did his kin of other angels.

Angela never destroyed a galaxy...she destroyed a creature named the Argus who was wiping out all life in several galaxies.

What issue does Argus appear in?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
She has plenty of impressive feats. Her abilities and accomplishments are as follows:

1) She murdered many hellspawn

2) She can travel as cosmic level speed

3) She has access to Heaven's light, a weapon most demons fear

4) Her lance can delete most demons

5) She can survive extreme temperatures, cold and hot

6) She defeated the Argus, a soul-eating cybernetic beast who ate the souls of a civilization and continued to destroy the cosmic fabric of galaxies.

7) She almost killed Gabrielle, a high ranking angel

8) She took on an entire host of angels by herself, preventing them from reaching Urizen

9) The energy from her lance toppled Urizen, a dark immortal god.

10) She beat the shit out of Malebolgia in Hell. She cut his stomach open and impaled his neck. (only to find he was still alive tho... 🙁 )

Also, didn't she basically lose to First Age Spawn as well?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
None, people debate all the time over who was second age, who was first age. First Age Spawn is mad weak though compared to Second Age.

Only Second Age could truly do what he did to Mammon and Urizen.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
That's debatable.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Because he was cast out of Heaven. He has no access to Heaven's energies. He integrated himself into the fabric of Hell, usurping its power, making it his own while Satan was away.

Before Satan's arrival, he was the most powerful demon in Hell. He became a demon after letting go of his angelic identity.

How he acquired that power, however, is still unknown.

Also, if he usurped its power, then shouldn't, by theory, he have that power always?

Originally posted by Tyrant
Maybe, maybe not. Either way, I've noticed a lot of assumptions about their power levels, and basing arguments off of God, instead of impressiveness.

I don't do that, so what is your point ? I explained to you the feats.

Originally posted by Tyrant
And some people who don't read enough, and just look on the forum, think Urizen can take Spectre...
Based on?
Yes, Heaven and Hell had to rally against him.

What does that tell you?

Spectre can trap Urizen anywhere he wishes, but he can't destroy him. Urizen is indestructable.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Hell, Nova has powers to make stars go nova... it hardly helps her against Surfer.
And if Zera is his replacement, I still don't see anything to say she f*cking murders Surfer... besides one feat of Angela, and some assumptions of Mammon's powers, and then taking those assumptions, and applying them to the Forgotten...

What issue does Argus appear in?[/B][/QUOTE]

Argus is in Curse of the Spawn, there are four issues with her story, i will get back to you on that, because i dont feel like looking through my stack right now lol

Originally posted by Tyrant
Which hardly supports the earlier statement, I referenced.
Her destroying galaxies is supported by her surviving cold and hot temperatures?

Also, didn't she basically lose to First Age Spawn as well?[/B][/QUOTE]

I never said she destroyed a galaxy. She defeated a creature which was destroying entire galaxies. Can you read ?

Yes she did lose to First Age Spawn in thier initial battle, but he lost to. What is your point ?

Spectre lost an early battle with Nabu .... does that make Spectre weak ?

Originally posted by Tyrant
But I thought Mammon's feat wasn't as great as thought, and Greenworld was also helping him in his battle with Urizen, so it's not really the best comparison to just him as First Age.

What feat are you talking about ?

Second Age Spawn humiliated Mammon before defeating Urizen, and true it took Angela and Greenworld's help to do so. What does that prove ? That Urizen is stronger than Second Age Spawn...so ?

Originally posted by Tyrant
Well, that's what I'm going by anyway.

If you are going by word of mouth, then you are not correct. You need to do your own research. Do not accept what you simply hear and then reject the facts about Spawn that I am telling you. That's foolish.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Ah.

Also, if he usurped its power, then shouldn't, by theory, he have that power always?

Satan is supreme ruler of Hell. Nothing Mammon does can compare to Satan. Satan just took it back as easily as he would candy from a baby.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I don't do that, so what is your point ? I explained to you the feats.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Spectre can trap Urizen anywhere he wishes, but he can't destroy him. Urizen is indestructable.

Plus, the thing about this indestructible stuff, is that, he has never really faced anyone more powerful than him, which, by all means, he should be, to people weaker than him, but if say HOTU, or Micheal attacked him, how exactly would he fare?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Argus is in Curse of the Spawn, there are four issues with her story, i will get back to you on that, because i dont feel like looking through my stack right now lol

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I [b]never said she destroyed a galaxy. She defeated a creature which was destroying entire galaxies. Can you read ?

Yes she did lose to First Age Spawn in thier initial battle, but he lost to. What is your point ?

Spectre lost an early battle with Nabu .... does that make Spectre weak ?[/B]

"I also remember retar... mid... someone, saying that Angela has destroyed galaxies.
I would like to ask, if you have scans of this.

*even though, she really doesn't have other feats to back this up, but meh, interested*"

I know he lost, but I also don't believe Angela has ever been better than Spawn.

No, that makes him inconsistent. Also, even if he did lose (which I don't remember), Nabu is extremely powerful in magic anyway... and is by no way, weak. Hell, he put up a better fight than Phantom Stranger did.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
What feat are you talking about ?

Second Age Spawn humiliated Mammon before defeating Urizen, and true it took Angela and Greenworld's help to do so. What does that prove ? That Urizen is stronger than Second Age Spawn...so ?

I'm just saying, that if it is First Age Spawn, then it isn't just First Age Spawn, ya know what I'm saying?
He was more powerful, and he had help, plus, even if it was Second Age Spawn, I thought SAS's best feats started to happen after he beat M...

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
If you are going by word of mouth, then you are not correct. You need to do your own research. Do not accept what you simply hear and then reject the facts about Spawn that I am telling you. That's foolish.

Mean, that I'm following others?

Also, so basically, don't go by what others say, but accept what you say?
I have nothing against you, but this statement is ridiculous.
Plus, if I heard it, then I likely heard it from someone else, and what makes that someone else less knowledgeable than you?

But, all of that is pointless, since I'm not about to follow everyone else's opinion.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Satan is supreme ruler of Hell. Nothing Mammon does can compare to Satan. Satan just took it back as easily as he would candy from a baby.

Also, is this an implication that Mammon had his full power, until Satan came back?

perhaps we are saying indestructable when we mean unkillable, zera cut spawn into peaces is what im to understand the point is that he just healed himself when she is as strong as she is nothing can kill him just like nothing can kill any of the MoM's children thats the point not that they cant be hurt

Beside that urizen wasnt at full power when he fought spawn im to understand

i dont know what your gong on about with angela destroying galaxies she killed the argus who killed galaxies but not there matter just the life im to understand

dont know what your talking about with mammon, mammon is lower then image satan at full power he is above malbolgia and is equal to his brothers, beside that when he was hurt by spawn he was on earth not at full power at full power i dont know what he can do we just know he's stronger them malbolgia.

malbolgia killed angela and beat the crap out of spawn when he was weak if he had been at full power i think he'd have destroyed both of them