WWH vs X Men

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Or some things with TP...Yes, his consciousness cannot be affected directly in behavioral modification way because of "too much rage", but there's other ways.
Emma Frost, for example, successfully tried some unorthodoxal stuff on metahumans with some degree of unvulnerability and resistance to behavioral modification- like bolts of pure psionic energy to overload and paralyse their nervous system (it doesn't matter how strong and mad Hulk is, he still has one) or just causing desynchronization in nervous system making commands one's subconsciousness send's to one's body parts to misfire. That has nothing with being enraged/mad/going derserk- if you have nervous system, you'll be affected.
But of course, nothing of that sophisticated stuff won't be used in WWH. As it's seen from the preview, Emma forgets that she's the most skilled "mental surgeon" on Earth specialized in using TP in unorthodoxal ways and goes into all out brawl with Hulk in her diamond form. At least that supports the idea, than in diamond form Emma can strike with the force up to 50 tons because of density of her body.

Originally posted by guy222
Bobby>WWH ❌

Marvel is making Hulk truly badass

bobby > WWH ✅

Yes they are making sure that, the ones that can defeat him will never meet him.

Originally posted by strengthkills
People have tried to paralyze hulk in many ways,it has never worked....point dismissed,if it was hard for a powered up xavier to mind control him then emmas hopeless 😉
(it doesn't matter how strong and mad Hulk is, he still has one) yeah but anger flushes it out

We aren't talking controlling him we are talking immobilizing/killing him, which I believe Xaviar if he wanted to could fairly easily accomplish.
Agree with Debel and I can only smile at the result Xaviar would get if he tryed it 😄

Call me Charlotte. And repowered Xavier has "forgotten" many stuff about sophisticated TP...but come on- X-Men have arguably the best "mental surgeon" living in their lines...who surprisingly forgets about overloading Hulk nervous system with raw psionic energy (at its strongest Emma's "psionic lightning" was able to destroy a building, less powerful strike left M (invulnerable to mind-controlling and pretty much physically invulnerable) paralysed for some time necessary to teach arrogant girl the lesson) or desynchronising synapses in his brain/messing with his subconsciousness (she rendered Wolverine's "animal berserker instincts" useless by doing that, since all instincts and all rage in the wiorld means dick when your body can't follow the commands from its brain). Also some sophisticated ways of manipulating person's nervous system\subsonsciousness include giving him\her orgasm\euphoria, which is also nothing new to Emma.
I repeat- she's one of the best "mental surgeons" ever and after Charles' loss of some skill arguably the best one. She lacks raw power for attacks, but compensates that with almost unparalleled skills. She's like an agile skilled fencer with a thin rapier when most other telepaths in high tier often prefer to solve their problems like big brawlers with crowbars.
It cannot be healed since there's no proper damage done to the boddy tissue, it cannot be dealt with with the help of rage...

But if you want Hulk win, then of course you'll be writing some simplier stuff. Like Emma trying to fight Hulk hand-to-hand in her diamond form (though he can't damage her in that form, just BFR).

Originally posted by Utrigita
bobby > WWH ✅

Yes they are making sure that, the ones that can defeat him will never meet him.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Call me Charlotte. And repowered Xavier has "forgotten" many stuff about sophisticated TP...but come on- X-Men have arguably the best "mental surgeon" living in their lines...who surprisingly forgets about overloading Hulk nervous system with raw psionic energy (at its strongest Emma's "psionic lightning" was able to destroy a building, less powerful strike left M (invulnerable to mind-controlling and pretty much physically invulnerable) paralysed for some time necessary to teach arrogant girl the lesson) or desynchronising synapses in his brain/messing with his subconsciousness (she rendered Wolverine's "animal berserker instincts" useless by doing that, since all instincts and all rage in the wiorld means dick when your body can't follow the commands from its brain). Also some sophisticated ways of manipulating person's nervous system\subsonsciousness include giving him\her orgasm\euphoria, which is also nothing new to Emma.
I repeat- she's one of the best "mental surgeons" ever and after Charles' loss of some skill arguably the best one. She lacks raw power for attacks, but compensates that with almost unparalleled skills. She's like an agile skilled fencer with a thin rapier when most other telepaths in high tier often prefer to solve their problems like big brawlers with crowbars.
It cannot be healed since there's no proper damage done to the boddy tissue, it cannot be dealt with with the help of rage...

But if you want Hulk win, then of course you'll be writing some simplier stuff. Like Emma trying to fight Hulk hand-to-hand in her diamond form (though he can't damage her in that form, just BFR).

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Call me Charlotte. And repowered Xavier has "forgotten" many stuff about sophisticated TP...but come on- X-Men have arguably the best "mental surgeon" living in their lines...who surprisingly forgets about overloading Hulk nervous system with raw psionic energy (at its strongest Emma's "psionic lightning" was able to destroy a building, less powerful strike left M (invulnerable to mind-controlling and pretty much physically invulnerable) paralysed for some time necessary to teach arrogant girl the lesson) or desynchronising synapses in his brain/messing with his subconsciousness (she rendered Wolverine's "animal berserker instincts" useless by doing that, since all instincts and all rage in the wiorld means dick when your body can't follow the commands from its brain). Also some sophisticated ways of manipulating person's nervous system\subsonsciousness include giving him\her orgasm\euphoria, which is also nothing new to Emma.
I repeat- she's one of the best "mental surgeons" ever and after Charles' loss of some skill arguably the best one. She lacks raw power for attacks, but compensates that with almost unparalleled skills. She's like an agile skilled fencer with a thin rapier when most other telepaths in high tier often prefer to solve their problems like big brawlers with crowbars.
It cannot be healed since there's no proper damage done to the boddy tissue, it cannot be dealt with with the help of rage...

But if you want Hulk win, then of course you'll be writing some simplier stuff. Like Emma trying to fight Hulk hand-to-hand in her diamond form (though he can't damage her in that form, just BFR).

What would happen in your openion Charlotte if we just for a moment takes it back to old school Xaviar preforming this feat against Hulk instead of Emma. If I remember correctly he rebelled a sentinal with pure psychic energy.

And you are absolutely right there are so many methods for the "heroes" to win if they want to.

Originally posted by strengthkills
yeah you can say that and i can say the exact opposite because its opinion,when hulks being written to potential bobby has no chance(dont know what bobbys potential is but hulks is infinite strength,durability and stamina not to mention an insane healing factor,im tellin you people like emma and bobby are useless against the hulk and considering xavier couldnt control hulk then what makes you think he could kill him,hulks willpower is insane and he has like a billion different personalities good luck

Its all a different openion 😄

I believe one has already mentioned how Ice-man would defeat WWH without seemingly any kind of problems, and Ice-man has the the ability to get the exact same levels at durability strenght and endurance as WWH since his control of water and so on can be used to greatly amplify his stats.

He isn't gonna control him which I have stated one time already, Charlotte has already mentioned a way to immobilise WWH without getting near his brain and a healing factor isn't gonna help els she couldn't have preformed that feat against Wolverine.

Willpower helps to deal with mind control and behavioral modification, not with pinpointing some areas of brain with psionic energy which has nothing to do with "strong personality".
Emma easily managed to stun with psionic lighting a person who gave her one hell of psionic feedback when she tried to mindcontrol\mindprobe her.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Willpower helps to deal with mind control and behavioral modification, not with pinpointing some areas of brain with psionic energy which has nothing to do with "strong personality".
Emma easily managed to stun with psionic lighting a person who gave her one hell of psionic feedback when she tried to mindcontrol\mindprobe her.

So that would explain why Moondragon always gets her ass kicked by Thanos 😄

Near his mind, not his brain. Affecting nervous system without actually damaging it or dealing with rage\willpower.

Cool your quiet good into this psychic 😄

Moondragon...Moondragon was once rendered helpless by Rick Jones by using headphones and some hard rock. Mind gem really deserves better owner...

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Moondragon...Moondragon was once rendered helpless by Rick Jones by using headphones and some hard rock. Mind gem really deserves better owner...

Well adam had put restriction on it so it couldn't be used to its full capacity. But agree give to emma instead ore Xaviar hell anyone..

But the incident with ruining concentration completely via headphones and really loud music is not the worst thing that can happen to telepath.

PIS of the year is Emma (whose another forte is working with crowds) getting brick to the head from an angry mob in X-Men vol 2 155 (or 156?).

Originally posted by llagrok
That doesn't really matter, he can't match up against Bobby.

Iceman can easily absorb water and put himself in the class 100+

Iceman can reform after being shattered, and absorb water out of people's bodies when doing so. Even people who have enhanced stats, like we saw in x-men.

Iceman can ice an entire town if he wants to, he could encase Hulk in miles of ice. He can flash freeze Hulk or get him with a brain freeze.

People need to realize that superhuman stats won't always prevail. There's a reason why we haven't seen anyone fight using their brain in WWH, because that would result in the Hulk losing. Do you really think a genius like Tony would try and face Hulk head on? When he's got his extremis armor?

Good morning

Hulk's strength is infinite

If Hulk hit the Watcher, he can k/o Bobby

Bobby is one of my fav X Men. WWH is running the gauntlet. Selling out everywhere. Its fun watching Hulk pummel

I lost respect for Stark during the registration

I remember when Tony 'beat' the Hulk with one punch. Guess who got their revenge now 🙂

Originally posted by Utrigita
bobby > WWH ✅

Yes they are making sure that, the ones that can defeat him will never meet him.

😉

I have every issue 😄 😎

Originally posted by Utrigita
We aren't talking controlling him we are talking immobilizing/killing him, which I believe Xaviar if he wanted to could fairly easily accomplish.
Agree with Debel and I can only smile at the result Xaviar would get if he tryed it 😄

Xavier also said, he could put the heroes to sleep

Never stated anywhere in original Secret Wars ❌

He has made lies before

Bottom line, no one will stop WWH until Marvel deems it

Those who enjoy are having fun.

Originally posted by Utrigita
So that would explain why Moondragon always gets her ass kicked by Thanos 😄

Thanos is still working at Taco Bell 😄

He's returning soon

Moondragon is 'alive'

Originally posted by guy222
Good morning

Hulk's strength is infinite

If Hulk hit the Watcher, he can k/o Bobby

Bobby is one of my fav X Men. WWH is running the gauntlet. Selling out everywhere. Its fun watching Hulk pummel

I lost respect for Stark during the registration

I remember when Tony 'beat' the Hulk with one punch. Guess who got their revenge now 🙂

Lunatik beat the watcher, watcher is overrated imo. That logic doesn't work anyways. Wolverine was able to cut Thanos, Wolverine >> Thanos?

Hulk can't K.O Bobby, he can crush him and then Bobby can kill him. If Bobby was able to take care of Fuego, I doubt Hulk is going to be any problem.

Does Hulk have any liquid in his brain? If he does, Iceman can easily freeze it. Doesn't matter how thick Hulk's skull is because Iceman doesn't have to force his hand through his head in order to freeze the water. He hardly needs to touch him.

Originally posted by strengthkills
People have tried to paralyze hulk in many ways,it has never worked....point dismissed,if it was hard for a powered up xavier to mind control him then emmas hopeless 😉
(it doesn't matter how strong and mad Hulk is, he still has one) yeah but anger flushes it out

Yeah, anger removes his need for a nervous system. Logic dur

You think that Xavier tried to control the Hulk? Why would he want to do that? Xavier tried to read his mind and he accomplished it. Task completed. Xavier never stated that he attempted to injure The Hulk.

Xavier, Emma and a couple of others are probably the most resistant to telepathic control there is. That does NOT grant them immunity to telepathic attacks. Just like how Hulk isn't immune to mental bolts. He's immune to mind control, like 20% of the marvel verse.

He has shown resistance to mental control in the future, but he has obviously been injured by mental bolts. Why would that change? Getting angrier makes him harder to control, he's still as easy to mind blast.

Like most of us saw, those of us who read the old New x-men. Me and Debel. We saw that Emma can do quite a lot with her telepathy, like stop people from feeling pain, enhance the pain they're feeling a hundredfold and press certain buttons/induce certain reactions within the human body. Think of it as ranged pheromone control.

Hulk has a body and is affected in the same way that anyone else is. It works just as easily on class 1000 as it does on a class 10.