Do attractive women really have a choice or free will?

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
Do you think that attractive women have free will? Think of an attractive female as a stone, and the more the stone shines, the more people want the stone and will do anything to obtain it, however, the person's feelings (as in wondering if that person feels the same) isn't considered?

Are attractive women nothing but robots or automatons? It's kinda like, she's pretty and I want her, no matter what. Instead of how does she feel?

I've looked at this post several times now and still don't know if I follow the reasoning completely. In the first paragraph you're talking about imitative or, triangular, desire - the tendency of the subject to ape the desires of of a rival/mediator. Per example, this type of subject might reason to himself, "I want what he wants because if he wants it, it must be worth having..." This desire is piqued even more, if the object in question is denied us by the rival who's desire we secretly copied in the first place. I believe this is what you're arguing for with your "shiney stone" metaphor. So far so good.

However, what has my imititative desire to do with the female object in question? (I use object here because in our discussion we are positing women as objects of desire and not as subjects in their own right). That is to say, why would my desiring an attractive woman, or any woman for that matter, have to do with her free will as a subject? She might be circumscribed by male desire on every side - by ingrained cultural messages, by biological impulse, by the progressively centripetal forces of imitative lust - but so what? Although she probably has limited choice in how these forces shape the impression of her public appearance, they certainly don't affect her prerogative to either act or not act on them. In fact, if she is a coquette and likes the role of sex symbol, then she can probably best boost that status by denying her various suitors and creating the impression that she is an unobtainable object - a sure fire strategy to escalate desire.

So, whether or not she adopts the mantle of sex symbol, the "hot girl" has subjective freedom in relation to male lust.

If the woman is strong willed no matter how attractive she is she will have a choice in what she does. And anyone who tries to force her to d anything is a jerk.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
well, let me give you an example (but I didn't think of this when I wrote the OPost).

I know a lady who tutored a guy and also had a work-out partner. From what she told me, she didn't know they knew each other. Years later, she and the guy she was tutoring live together and have a baby. She started seeing the guy from the gym again, and she fell in love. When he was proposing marrige to her, he told her that the other guy was involved in a bet with him to see who could land her. So, in a way, although she loved both men, she was kinda like a puppet.

Blah Blah Blah, go make me sammich ho

Originally posted by Psychomonkey09
If the woman is strong willed no matter how attractive she is she will have a choice in what she does. And anyone who tries to force her to d anything is a jerk.

Originally posted by Tyrant
Not if she's sent from the past to our present, where men ruled, and women weren't allowed to leave the house.
Wait, that still happens...

They always have two choices...

That the options are less pleasant then the options for most other people doesn't really change the fact that they still have free will.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
Do you think that attractive women have free will? Think of an attractive female as a stone, and the more the stone shines, the more people want the stone and will do anything to obtain it, however, the person's feelings (as in wondering if that person feels the same) isn't considered?

Are attractive women nothing but robots or automatons? It's kinda like, she's pretty and I want her, no matter what. Instead of how does she feel?

Everyone has a free will.. The question is just how much you yourself value your free will.. If it's not of high value to you, you can end up misserable..

Originally posted by Tyrant
Not if she's sent from the past to our present, where men ruled, and women weren't allowed to leave the house.
Wait, that still happens...

Originally posted by Tyrant
Not if she's sent from the past to our present, where men ruled, and women weren't allowed to leave the house.
Wait, that still happens...

Like i said men who control their wife or girlfriend are jerks. Woman have the same rights that men do. We dont live in the past where the men had all the freedom and the woman were like slaves to there men.

some women arent happy unless they are controlled, unless their decisions are made for them.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
Do you think that attractive women have free will? Think of an attractive female as a stone, and the more the stone shines, the more people want the stone and will do anything to obtain it, however, the person's feelings (as in wondering if that person feels the same) isn't considered?

Are attractive women nothing but robots or automatons? It's kinda like, she's pretty and I want her, no matter what. Instead of how does she feel?

I'm still not getting this exactly. Why wouldn't she have a choice?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
some women arent happy unless they are controlled, unless their decisions are made for them.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
some women arent happy unless they are controlled, unless their decisions are made for them.

Then in that case yes they are controlled but by there own will which is different then being controlled against their will.

I'm still laughing @ how Czarina knows some of the weirdest characters in the galaxy. Few of these interactions seem commonplace but she meets these sort of characters all the time

It's like an online soap opera.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's like an online soap opera.

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sister sleeping with the brother and shit.

Originally posted by Psychomonkey09
Like i said men who control their wife or girlfriend are jerks. Woman have the same rights that men do. We dont live in the past where the men had all the freedom and the woman were like slaves to there men.

i agree..in our generation today both woman and men have the same and equal rights..don't let anyone rule over you...everyone have free will even if it's a gril or boy...

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
Do you think that attractive women have free will? Think of an attractive female as a stone, and the more the stone shines, the more people want the stone and will do anything to obtain it, however, the person's feelings (as in wondering if that person feels the same) isn't considered?

Are attractive women nothing but robots or automatons? It's kinda like, she's pretty and I want her, no matter what. Instead of how does she feel?

It is really hard being us. 👇

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Is this topic for real?

My girlfriend is very attractive and extremly hot, does she have free will?

Of course she does! my God trying to get her to do anything she doesn't want to do is a suicidal course of action!

Your looks don't determine how much free will you have, your personality does and who is to actually say whats "attractive"?

Someone I may consider unattractive to me, may be very attractive to others.

I can't believe a woman started a topic supporting that all beautiful women may = bimbo's!