This is pretty much why I've left debating when it comes to fighting game characters... it has become a cesspoolof nothing but falsities and shit...
Sado, as much as I respect you, and your oppinions, your dead wrong.
Iori isn't a God Tier, or even Boss Calibur (Riot Iori is, but thats another thing I'll get to later)
Iori isn't stronger than Goenitz, and neither is O.Yashiro... Demonstrated in 96, it took both Kyo and Iori to tagteam Goenitz to down him. Current Iori before losing his flames may be stronger than Goentitz, but at the time? Hell no.
Yashiro only appeared stronger because he was with the other two Heavenly kings, and was close to the Avatar. However, Goenitz is the oldest, most experienced, has demonstrated more power (Via wrecking the Stadium in 96) and is in complete control at all times, whereas Yashiro must transform, and forgets his previous memories to do so, Shermie and Chris are the same.
Next, Riot Iori is indeed the stronger of Iori's two forms, as demonstrated in the game, the guy may be wild and out of control, but he demonstrated far superior speed, strength, and fighting capability. I have seen that pictuire you supplied with Ash beating O.Iori, and other than something incredibly vague "His energy is changing/dropping", there is no indicators at all. I beleive it has been stated numerous times that he had JUST finished a battle with Shingo and Kyo... Not to mention numerous fights before that... Besides, what makes you think that this is an overall indicator of O.Iori's power anyways? This being the only time he ever displayed weakness in the form ever...
Now, your CONSTANT ragging on Bison is another thing that needs to be addressed, I know you follow Tiamat's guide, and I know you value his words over mine... But what you say hardly ever makes sense on this... you call Bison a pansy, a wuss, a pussy... Bullshit... Ryu owned him, yes, but only after fighting off Ken Sakura and Sagat... (There's no proof Sagat didn't jump in while Ryu recouperated from the Psycho Power infusion.) Plus, that "Justice" Shoryuken happened only during Bison's big attempt to move into Ryu's body (Proof is in all three of those endings, so there's no disputing it). This Shoryuken, powered by Bison's own energy on his weakened body detonated him.
Rag on Bison all you like, butat least it wasn't Solo jobbing, or plot device powered like the vast majority of KOF's boss fights.
Oro is powerful enough to defeat fighters with one arm
Has to seal one arm because he's so powerful
At the age of 140, he's still in is prime
No one has yet to survive his training regimine
He's beyond human like Gouki
I think beating SF3 Ryu with just one arm is a good enough feat.
Demonstrated in 96, it took both Kyo and Iori to tagteam Goenitz to down him.
Yashiro only appeared stronger because he was with the other two Heavenly kings, and was close to the Avatar. However, Goenitz is the oldest, most experienced, has demonstrated more power (Via wrecking the Stadium in 96) and is in complete control at all times, whereas Yashiro must transform, and forgets his previous memories to do so, Shermie and Chris are the same.
Next, Riot Iori is indeed the stronger of Iori's two forms, as demonstrated in the game, the guy may be wild and out of control, but he demonstrated far superior speed, strength, and fighting capability.
compare that to the show of Iori's stamina before:
in a single day in KoF 97, he fought in the tourny and most probably fought Kyo in the finals, became riot iori and took on the entire cast, took down Orochi Nanakase, and fought Orochi.
and here, riot iori just gets "tired" after fighting two people.
its already clear that Iori is stronger than riot iori.
I have seen that pictuire you supplied with Ash beating O.Iori, and other than something incredibly vague "His energy is changing/dropping", there is no indicators at all. I beleive it has been stated numerous times that he had JUST finished a battle with Shingo and Kyo... Not to mention numerous fights before that... Besides, what makes you think that this is an overall indicator of O.Iori's power anyways? This being the only time he ever displayed weakness in the form ever...
Now, your CONSTANT ragging on Bison is another thing that needs to be addressed, I know you follow Tiamat's guide, and I know you value his words over mine... But what you say hardly ever makes sense on this... you call Bison a pansy, a wuss, a pussy... Bullshit... Ryu owned him, yes, but only after fighting off Ken Sakura and Sagat... (There's no proof Sagat didn't jump in while Ryu recouperated from the Psycho Power infusion.) Plus, that "Justice" Shoryuken happened only during Bison's big attempt to move into Ryu's body (Proof is in all three of those endings, so there's no disputing it). This Shoryuken, powered by Bison's own energy on his weakened body detonated him.
and at the very least, the KoF bosses don't have the whole world to supply them power, have infinite source of power and still "get tired" after fighting FOUR people. this is BS and you know it.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
you're missing the point:
-Vice and Mature considered Iori stronger
-next year, Iori in weakened state fought the entire cast of KoF97 and was FINALLY subdued after combined effort.
losing to entire cast>>losing to two people, one of whom was the other guy pwning Geonitz.
-Vague extrapolation... they may have just like Iori more.
--Weakened only according to you.
Originally posted by Sado22
older, experienced doesn't decide who is the better fighter. there is a LOT more to fights than experience.
But Experience, skill knowlege all play much bigger roles than brute force and you know it.
Originally posted by Sado22
he is a brainless and fast powermachine but he isn't focused. to the point that his power drops steadily after a single bout with Kyo.compare that to the show of Iori's stamina before:
in a single day in KoF 97, he fought in the tourny and most probably fought Kyo in the finals, became riot iori and took on the entire cast, took down Orochi Nanakase, and fought Orochi.
and here, riot iori just gets "tired" after fighting two people.its already clear that Iori is stronger than riot iori.
You just countermanded your own argument... Riot Iori was owning throughout 97... you took r.Iori's weakest showing and ran with it... so no, R.Ioriisn't weak, and the facts of 97 proved it.
Originally posted by Sado22
none of the KoF solo jobbed either.
List em come on:
-Rugal, NO
-Omega, didn't even lose
-Geonitz, not solo
-Orochi, not solo
-Krizalid, not solo
-Zero, not solo
-Original Zero, keeping aside how unreliable Tiamat is, K' had enough experience fighting the previous Zero so its not surprising that he took him down. you say it urself right...experience is practically a match decider in your dictionary.
-Igniz, everything but solo
-Mukai, not solo
-Magaki, not soloand at the very least, the KoF bosses don't have the whole world to supply them power, have infinite source of power and still "get tired" after fighting FOUR people. this is BS and you know it.
Geese was soloed.
Rugal blew himself up.
Goenitz was tagteamed.
thge other 3 heavenly kings where ravaged, and Orochi himself was triple teamed.
Krizalid was floored by a single attack from Kyo.
Zero, Original Zero and Igniz did alright.
Mukai was tripple teamed by the treasures prior to Ash owning Chizuru.
Magaki - I don't know.
As for your Bison slagging- Bison was dying, his profile says this twice... then he was weakened insurmountably when hit by Ryu's Shoryuken.. Are you going to deny these facts?
And no... they are just Gods, and people who have his powers, and people with countless terrabytes of battle data right? 😉
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
--Weakened only according to you.But Experience, skill knowlege all play much bigger roles than brute force and you know it.
You just countermanded your own argument... Riot Iori was owning throughout 97... you took r.Iori's weakest showing and ran with it... so no, R.Ioriisn't weak, and the facts of 97 proved it.
Co-sign.
Vague extrapolation... they may have just like Iori more.
Weakened only according to you
You just countermanded your own argument... Riot Iori was owning throughout 97... you took r.Iori's weakest showing and ran with it... so no, R.Ioriisn't weak, and the facts of 97 proved it.
if his power is dropping steadily then how the F--K is he stronger than regular Iori. once your done wrapping your head around this one, now focus on the part:
why in the world would, Mature and Vice, two Orochi women who have been serving Goenitz and other Orochi carriers for YEARS are not credible enough for you to be judging power levels? stop acting like the canon authority around here. i gave you PROOF that he is superior to Goenitz of two orochi women who have lived with both of them and spend the past 10 or more years of their lives with Goenitz claiming that Yagami is stronger.....and YOU say it doesn't mean anything because...?
they have the credibility to say that.
you're practically saying: i'm not buying Iori=godtier because i don't like him and he's overrated.
oh and....SBP, co-sign my @$$!
But Experience, skill knowlege all play much bigger roles than brute force and you know it.
~Sado
Geese was soloed.
Rugal blew himself upGoenitz was tagteamed.
thge other 3 heavenly kings where ravaged, and Orochi himself was triple teamed.
Krizalid was floored by a single attack from Kyo.
Zero, Original Zero and Igniz did alright.
Mukai was tripple teamed by the treasures prior to Ash owning Chizuru.
Magaki - I don't know.
As for your Bison slagging- Bison was dying, his profile says this twice... then he was weakened insurmountably when hit by Ryu's Shoryuken.. Are you going to deny these facts?
And no... they are just Gods, and people who have his powers, and people with countless terrabytes of battle data right?
~Sado
Iori was capable trembling the ground with an effortless powerup.
http://members.fortunecity.co.uk/ant2099/kof2k1stl3.htm
Is that all?
How exactly is that a feat comparable to what oro can do?
not a feat.
so is Chin Getsai, at 99. and wang jinrei at over 100.
not a feat.
140> 100
And, are they in there prime or even in this debate?
not a feat.
But, ground shaking is?
Iori is beyond human too.
http://members.fortunecity.co.uk/ant2099/kof2k1stl3.htm
Pure hyperbole
Originally posted by Sado22
wait wtf?!
the strongest hint we have regarding Iori's powerlevel is this....but its automatically supposed to carry no weight since the high and mighty Darkstorm doesn't think so?
No, I disreguard it in the face of overwhelming opposite evidence going the other way... in the face of 97, your vague quote carries no weight.
Originally posted by Sado22
i'm taking it in a logical sense:
his power is dropping steadily means that he is losing his power gradually and since it doesn't happen to regular iori then he's weakened.
is that so hard to understand?
and enter darkstorm with you load of "what ifs" and speculation...
come on..its practically slapping you in the face telling you that Orochi Iori is far from Iori's stongest incarnation.
What ifs? Your telling me that the events of 97 are "MY" speculation?
R.Iori's power level only dropped in that one battle against Ash, thats hardly a benchmarker Sado, you need multipleoccurances ofit for that to become standard.
Originally posted by Sado22
if his power is dropping steadily then how the F--K is he stronger than regular Iori. once your done wrapping your head around this one, now focus on the part:
Read above
Originally posted by Sado22
why in the world would, Mature and Vice, two Orochi women who have been serving Goenitz and other Orochi carriers for YEARS are not credible enough for you to be judging power levels? stop acting like the canon authority around here. i gave you PROOF that he is superior to Goenitz of two orochi women who have lived with both of them and spend the past 10 or more years of their lives with Goenitz claiming that Yagami is stronger.....and YOU say it doesn't mean anything because...?
they have the credibility to say that.
Because as much as they are Orochi's, they are also manipulative women... AND, since it was only guessworkto begin with, you've never given me anything OTHER than that vague extrapolation.
Him being stronger than RugalI can give you, but not Goenitz.
Originally posted by Sado22
you're practically saying: i'm not buying Iori=godtier because i don't like him and he's overrated.oh and....SBP, co-sign my @$$!
I never said I didn't like him... but Godtier? no way... not based on what he's done.
Originally posted by Sado22
did i say it didn't? read over my sentence again! i said it is NOT everything. there is natural talent, power, speed, guts and endurance...all of which are in Iori's court.
Against Goenitz? No Sado, Goenitz has far more power feats, control, capability, skill and experience... not to mention endurance.
Plus, he already has aone-up on Iori... He defeated Kyo soundly.
Originally posted by Sado22
i said kof..not FF
Oh.... It's a shame that both series are connected, after all, isn't that where the KOF tourney started?
Originally posted by Sado22
and thank you for making yourself look like a moron. you go around saying "solo jobbing" and give proof of everything BUT solo jobbing.
oh and while your patting yourself in the back, look up "solo".
my point was, it's still jobbing, unlike in SFer.
Originally posted by Sado22
Bison's body was incapable of containing that power, yes.
the rest...speculation.
If you have a counter thesis that actually makes sense, then please present it, otherwise...
Originally posted by Sado22
only Igniz and Orochi were gods. having their power doesn't make them gods. and at the very least they dont get pwned by 12 lowtier girls (Bison running away from 12 dolls) or engaged by ONE hightier (Bison being engaged long enough by CHarlie)
Prove he retreated from the Dolls first WITHOUT resorting to Saiki or Tiamat.
Ignis wasn't a god... He had aspirations to Godhood, but no, he was no god. and another thing, Orochi was still stronger than ignis, and for the same reason R.Iori is stronger than Iori - more demonstrated capability.