Kyp Durron vs. DE Sidious

This is Kyp Durron when he's being controlled by Exar Kun (that would be his prime as far as fighting abilities go, wouldn't it?). Note that while being controleld by Kun's spirit, he nearly kills Luke (takes place one year after DE). I don't know any details about his encounter with Luke, though - if it was really close, or he caught him by susprise, ect.

DE Sidious still wins with some difficulty.

Kyp may very well possess greater potential in the force than Sidious, but he lacks the experience and knowledge of the sith lord, so I'd have to go sids on this one

Whether Kyp possesses Kun 's spirit not he still loses.

Originally posted by Pwned61
Kyp may very well possess greater potential in the force than Sidious, but he lacks the experience and knowledge of the sith lord, so I'd have to go sids on this one

I find it highly unlikely anyone not named "Luke" or "Anakin" possesses more force potential than Sidious.

I find it highly unlikely anyone not named "Luke" or "Anakin" possesses more force potential than Sidious.

100% agreed.

DE Sidious wins, I place him second after Luke.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I find it highly unlikely anyone not named "Luke" or "Anakin" possesses more force potential than Sidious.

luke says that kyp has a greater potential than he does

Luke THOUGHT that he did, but clearly he was wrong. That's not evidence.

To be fair, I think most of the Skywalker clan has a potential that - at the very least - rivals Palpatine's own. The difference is the depth of the knowledge and quality of teaching. For all of Luke's power, he is far from being one of the most knowledgeable in the Force. Any of the PT Jedi are likely still miles ahead of him, including people like Yoda or Sidious.

Hell, according to the omniscient narrator in LotF, Jacen > Kyp. But from what we've seen, Jacen would get obliterated in a sheer fight because he's an absolute wimp.

Actually, it was Kyp who said he had more potential than Luke. Right before he starts to manipulate the Dovin Basel, he's having a sort of inner-monologue about how he always knew he was stronger than Luke and how he didn't dislike or feel arrogant about it.

Something to that effect.

Originally posted by Gideon
To be fair, I think most of the Skywalker clan has a potential that - at the very least - rivals Palpatine's own. The difference is the depth of the knowledge and quality of teaching. For all of Luke's power, he is far from being one of the most knowledgeable in the Force. Any of the PT Jedi are likely still miles ahead of him, including people like Yoda or Sidious.

Hell, according to the omniscient narrator in LotF, Jacen > Kyp. But from what we've seen, Jacen would get obliterated in a sheer fight because he's an absolute wimp.

You know Escape, while I was in my biology lab, I was thinking.. From a biological standpoint, there's no way that Luke could have the same exact potential as Anakin, nor is there a way that Jacen could rival Luke. Lets consider for a moment, Anakin's father was the force and mother was shmi. So he got dominant and recessive genes from the force and the mom, making his power limitless, or very close to it(because he's not actually the force). Now Luke got mixe genes(dominant and recessive) from Padme, who wasn't a force sensitive, and from Anakin, who was the most powerful being ever, but obviously he wasn't omnipotent(like the force). Let me clear my original point up, it's POSSIBLE they could have the same potential but it's VERY unlikely. What is impossible is the fact that Jacen has equal to, or more potential than Luke. Leia wasn't nearly as strong in the fore as Luke(although a skywalker), and she married yet another non force sensitive, so Jacen's force potential should always be below Luke's. At the same time, Ben should, biologically, have more force potential than Jacen, but at the same time it's possible for him to have the force potential of Luke, because of Luke and Mara both being force sensitive and Mara being considerably powerful in the force.

Yes, but the Force doesn't work biologically, otherwise someone who had 2 non-force sensative parents couldn't be a powerful Jedi.

Look, to bring genetic, or science of any kind for Star Wars, it's not very good idea. Remember the fact that he actually hear esplosions in space.

BUT, if you want to think this way, well, let's imagine that force genes are recessive, what is quite natural since there are few people being force sensitive. In that case, since anakin was concieve by the force and shmi 2 things could have happen, or he got 2 recessive and very powerful genes from the force or he got 1 from the force and another recessive gene from his mother, and so, his strongest force gene may have manifest himself. So, Luke could have recieved the all powerful gene from anakin, plus another recessive one from Leia and since anakin's gene manifested himself, he was as powerful as him.

Yet, if Anakin got his 2 force genes from the force, and if both manifest themselves, Luke would be weaker then Anakin, yet the problem with this theory is that this way Anakin wouldn't have theorically a mother. So, i think the second theory is the best.

So, if we use this theory, notice that Leia, since is much weaker then Luke in the force, probably recieved the other gene from anakin, the one who came from his mother, plus the same gene luke got from Padme (because padme is non force sensitive, thus the other one has to be the dominant non force sensitive one). And, with this theory, or Han had a strong recessive force gene or Jacen would never have the power from Anakin or Luke. Yet, Ben can still have it.

Yes, but the Force doesn't work biologically, otherwise someone who had 2 non-force sensative parents couldn't be a powerful Jedi.

Wrong, because recessive genes can be present and not manifest themselves. Besides, there are the possibility of mutations that could turn non force sensitive genes in force sensitive genes.

Hmm... I tried to simplify the things but perhaps my post was too much elaborated for people here... That's the problem of having 20 in Biology, you know the things just too well 😆

By the way, i thought in other possibility. Maybe there also co-dominance in force genes, and also we don't know if the strongest just is always the one who manisfest himself. so Leia could have also Anakin's strong gene, yet not manifestaded or being the less one form the pair.

Seriously, the way force potential is inherited or developed has never really been made clear in Star Wars.

We can say for sure that force sensitives have a tendency to have force sensitive children, regardless of whom them have children with (Anakin, Leia, Kol, ect.).

However, force potential can also just kinda spring up, kyp for example didn't have force sensitive parents, nothing suggests Revan did either.

Also, force potential can't be "watered down" as Luke possess the same potential as his dad. As well, all of the solo children appear to be stronger than their mother.

Basically, force potential is whatever the writer at the time wants it to be.

I beg to differ. Force potential CAN be watered down. It watered down the ancient sith, mainly the sith who interbred with the exiled jedi. And even if it couldn't, from a biological standpoint, it's less likely that Luke had the same potential as Anakin.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I beg to differ. Force potential CAN be watered down. It watered down the ancient sith, mainly the sith who interbred with the exiled jedi. And even if it couldn't, from a biological standpoint, it's less likely that Luke had the same potential as Anakin.

How did the interbreeding weaken them? The most powerful of their era, Ragnos, was a half breed correct?

You may not like it, I don't really like it, but if Lucas says it then it's cannon, besides it hardly contradicts anything, so it's all good.

Well yea but I was merely looking at it from a biological perspective, that's all.

Sidious
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