Breaking News: al-Qaida still exists

well thank god for the brave fighting armchair chickenhawks

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Originally posted by Quiero Mota

None of that is surprising, especially coming from the world's first Islamic Republic. Pakistan is an under-the-table ally/best friend/providing-cover-fire nation for al Qaeda.

I wonder where India stands in all this. (their opinion)

under musharraf laws have been passed that have made it illegal to sell women into marriage and other things that have bothered hard line conservative Muslims.

I don't think the government is as untrustworthy as you think.

Originally posted by Schecter

we are no safer thanks to king dubya. we are more vulnerable than on sept 11.
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I fail to see why people always assume it's the presidents fault for whatever is ailing the country at the moment. One man does not a country make. I'm not a fan of Bush either but it's rather unrealistic to blame him alone for this.

"The buck stops here"

Originally posted by ~JP~
I fail to see why people always assume it's the presidents fault for whatever is ailing the country at the moment. One man does not a country make. I'm not a fan of Bush either but it's rather unrealistic to blame him alone for this.

who shall i blame? who else is commander in chief of our nation and by extention military, and commanded most our military resources including half the national gaurd into iraq, as a response to 9/11? who else admitted that the intentional and politically motivated ousting of an undercover agent (high crime and compromising of national security) occurred within his administration? (when it was in fact cheney and rove who ordered this high crime) who unconditionally palled up with a nation who harbors terrorists while attacking a soverign nation on the ultimate grounds that their dictator is simply an assh0le? (since of course every other reason was proven false and were likely lies). who now wants to commit MORE to attacking iran, which surprise...has nothing to do with al qaida.

who should i blame? what, other lower ranking people were involved so the focus souldnt be bush, cheney, and rove?

oh please tell.

Originally posted by Schecter
who shall i blame? who else commended most our military resources including half the national gaurd into iraq as a response to 9/11? who else admitted that the intentional and politically motivated ousting of an undercover agent (high crime and compromising of national security) occurred within his administration? (when it was in fact cheney and rove who ordered this high crime) who [b]unconditionally palled up with a nation who harbors terrorists while attacking a soverign nation on the ultimate grounds that their dictator is simply an assh0le? (since of course every other reason was proven false and were likely lies). who now wants to commit MORE to attacking iran, which surprise...has nothing to do with al qaida.

who should i blame? what, other lower ranking people were involved so the focus souldnt be bush, cheney, and rove?

oh please tell. [/B]

reading documents published by people in his cabinet before they were in power would allude to the fact that Bush is more of a marketable puppet for a strong ideological movement.

Not disagreeing with what you are saying, but I think it is important to point out that for all the power he may have, Bush is not the ideologue who came up with Iraq.

Originally posted by inimalist
reading documents published by people in his cabinet before they were in power would allude to the fact that Bush is more of a marketable puppet for a strong ideological movement.

Not disagreeing with what you are saying, but I think it is important to point out that for all the power he may have, Bush is not the ideologue who came up with Iraq.

i understand that. however bush and cheney hold sway.
whether or not they are simply buttons is irrelevant. they are in power. they are responsible. the history and goals of the neoconservative agenda are trivial matters in terms of who is directly responsible here and now.

Originally posted by Schecter
who shall i blame? who else is commander in chief of our nation and by extention military, and commanded most our military resources including half the national gaurd into iraq, as a response to 9/11? who else admitted that the intentional and politically motivated ousting of an undercover agent (high crime and compromising of national security) occurred within his administration? (when it was in fact cheney and rove who ordered this high crime) who [b]unconditionally palled up with a nation who harbors terrorists while attacking a soverign nation on the ultimate grounds that their dictator is simply an assh0le? (since of course every other reason was proven false and were likely lies). who now wants to commit MORE to attacking iran, which surprise...has nothing to do with al qaida.

who should i blame? what, other lower ranking people were involved so the focus souldnt be bush, cheney, and rove?

oh please tell. [/B]

I see what you are saying, but the simple fact of the matter is one man alone does not run this country. I just never have nor will I ever believe that.

Originally posted by Schecter
i understand that. however bush and cheney hold sway.
whether or not they are simply buttons is irrelevant. they are in power. they are responsible.

i agree wholeheartedly, and would add Tony Blair to that list. That he is the new envoy to the middle east is retarded.

Now see I like Blair quite a bit myself, what I know of him that is.

I really want to see what Gordon Brown's going to do about it. It would be great to have a politician in this country who would actually stand up, and say ''no, we're not doing this, anymore''. It's never going to happen though, I doubt.

Originally posted by ~JP~
I see what you are saying, but the simple fact of the matter is one man alone does not run this country. I just never have nor will I ever believe that.

you are suggesting that direct focus should not be placed on those directly responsible for deciding to make an antfarm experiment over the most volatile and outwardly threatening region on the planet, to isreal, europe, and the u.s. it is an asinine way of approaching the problem in every way. of course there is a base and that base has an agenda. its irrelevant and brings the debate, here and anywhere to a fizzle via superficial nitpicking and ignoring the overlying source of failure.

there are people who fund the administration and are behind the persuasion, pulling strings. i get it. if you want to just say "ah screw it all" then fine. it doesnt belong here though, passed off as some point as to why the topic is moot.

Originally posted by ~JP~
Now see I like Blair quite a bit myself, what I know of him that is.

thats sad 🙁

I bet the guy who invaded Iraq is going to be able to get Hamas to recognize Israel.

PVS, is your shift button broke or what?

I didnt say the topic was moot at all, what I said was that I dont believe Bush alone is to blame for many of the things that people seem to want to lay only at his doorstep. And because I choose not to get in some big long winded political debate, doesnt mean my opinion cant be posted in the thread. 😐

Originally posted by ~JP~
PVS, is your shift button broke or what?

my typing habits are not the topic.

Originally posted by ~JP~
I didnt say the topic was moot at all, what I said was that I dont believe Bush alone is to blame for many of the things that people seem to want to lay only at his doorstep. And because I choose not to get in some big long winded political debate, doesnt mean my opinion cant be posted in the thread. 😐

an opinion would be "i feel that bush made the right decision". (imho flat wrong, but still an opinion)

you are suggesting that the public should at least partly exhonerate the deciders...of their decisions which lead us to our current state of preoccupation and overall vulnerability in terms of OUR resources and readiness to address issues of terrorism and warfare in the middle east, europe, and here at home.

if you feel that the course is correct or not as bad as other believe, then say it. however you're trying to sell the idea that the emporer is not in control of the empire. he is clearly in control, regardless of whos behalf he operates upon.

and please, lets leave out the ad hominem drama and self crucifixion. its just distracting. im addressing your points, not you.

First of all I asked a simple question about "your typing habits" because I noticed this a long time ago and was curious so don't get your underwear in a bunch.

Secondly, there's hardly any "ad hominem drama and self crucifixion" that would imply your opinion, ( or anyone elses here for that matter), of me concerns me, when it fact it doesnt so lets drop that horseshit K? It was you that said

if you want to just say "ah screw it all" then fine. it doesnt belong here though, passed off as some point as to why the topic is moot.

Third, I'm am not saying that the public should let Bush off for this mess in any way shape or form, what I am saying and I thought I made it clear the first time, is that a large number of threads of this particular part of KMC are dedicated to blaming Bush for this that and the other thing when IN FACT the whole friggen political machine ( from the idiot people who keep electing these bozos to the CIA to the President ) in this country are to blame.

Fourth, I've said all I'm going to say.

Originally posted by ~JP~
Secondly, there's hardly any "ad hominem drama and self crucifixion" that would imply your opinion, ( or anyone elses here for that matter), of me concerns me, when it fact it doesnt so lets drop that horseshit K? It was you that said I merely addressed your statement.

no, you suggested that i was not allowing you to post your opinion.
obvious impossibilities aside, stating simply that the president should not be held accountable because you feel the administration isnt in control is not only in the realm of conspiracy theory, but also completely false. factually false.

Originally posted by ~JP~
Third, I'm am not saying that the public should let Bush off for this mess in any way shape or form, what I am saying and I thought I made it clear the first time, is that a large number of threads of this particular part of KMC are dedicated to blaming Bush for this that and the other thing when IN FACT the whole friggen political machine ( from the idiot people who keep electing these bozos to the CIA to the President ) in this country is to blame.

thats diversion. bush (realistically cheney and rove) is commander in chief. he controls and dictates the CIA, FBI, army, navy, marines, national guard, district judges, he directly influences and dictates the the entire GOP. you cant exhonerate an incompitent king because of the fools in his court. he put them there

Fourth, I've said all I'm going to say. [/B][/QUOTE]

When did we think AlQaida was gone?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
When did we think AlQaida was gone?

i was being facetious, though i admit ive been pondering just how many special people were actually shocked and surprised to read it.

BAD NEWS, NO?