The Punisher Or The Hulk?

Both are heavily criticized "heroes."

People see The Hulk as a wild, dnagerous monster.
Others see him as a being who just wants to be left alone and if humanity was better to The Hulk, The Hulk would be better to them.

People also see The Punisher as a homicidal lunatic with no real conscience of morals in how he dispenses HIS justice to the world.
Others see a man who merely takes the law into his own hands because the law fails.

Which, in the end, is worse?

Hulk because he kills out of pure rage. There's no telling how many innocents an enraged hulk would kill because his rage over takes his empathy and logic completely. Whereas the punisher can control his anger and rage to only those who really deserve it.

Originally posted by AcousticDoc
Hulk because he kills out of pure rage. There's no telling how many innocents an enraged hulk would kill because his rage over takes his empathy and logic completely. Whereas the punisher can control his anger and rage to only those who really deserve it.

Yes but Punishers amorality makes up for that , He'd let you out of a cage and then kill you if he found out that you had committed even a (reasonably minor ) crime.

Hulks mnd is barel civil,and he has showed mercy.when Punisher is killing does he?

To an extent, Hulk is worse. Punisher doesn't harm innocent people really, but Hulk wouldn't take it into consideration during a rage. If Banner himself could control it, obviously Hulk would have no morality problem, but since he can't, Hulk's a touchy hero. He's able to decipher right and wrong, it seems, but not to the extent that he needs to in order to be classified as a true hero. Punisher is a hero in the sense that he's trying to better the world, but he's ruining himself in the process. Hulk is worse, but he's certainly no villain.

Well, Hulk has a history of peacefulness and relative innocence, as well as horrible, relentless violence.

Frank is a little more on the violent side, although he's far less of a threat to mankind.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Hulks mnd is barel civil,and he has showed mercy.when Punisher is killing does he?

Maybe...but I meant more along the lines of collateral damage. If someone hulk hated was riding in a public bus, hulk would smack it aside to get to that person without worrying about the other people inside getting hurt. If frank was in the same situation he would never risk hurting the other people just to get to his target.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Both are heavily criticized "heroes."

People see The Hulk as a wild, dnagerous monster.
Others see him as a being who just wants to be left alone and if humanity was better to The Hulk, The Hulk would be better to them.

People also see The Punisher as a homicidal lunatic with no real conscience of morals in how he dispenses HIS justice to the world.
Others see a man who merely takes the law into his own hands because the law fails.

Which, in the end, is worse?

Morally, how can one be worse than the other if they are both responsible for the deaths of others ?

Originally posted by willRules
Morally, how can one be worse than the other if they are both responsible for the deaths of others ?

Frank is a sadistic nutcase who gets off on killing criminals.
Hulk is usually a scared child who kills only accidentally or in self defense.

There's a huge difference IMO.

Hulk just wants to be left the f**k alone.

Two of my favorite characters...but in the end hulk will cause more bad than good...punisher kills those who have it coming to them...hulk might accidentally kill an innocent...tho he might not mean to, it doesn't change the fact.

i see Hulk worse because he's far more potent in causing damage. though i really think that Punisher is less morally bound then Hulk.

Originally posted by Badabing
Hulk just wants to be left the f**k alone.

Well Punisher can resist killing if he want to, if u notice War Journal 1-3 and his appearences in Civil War. And he never go after innocents, so I would say Hulk is worse.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Frank is a sadistic nutcase who gets off on killing criminals.
Hulk is usually a scared child who kills only accidentally or in self defense.

There's a huge difference IMO.

One is moreso to blame than the other due to killing through choice, granted but both are responsible for many deaths. Both are morally wrong.

Originally posted by willRules
One is moreso to blame than the other due to killing through choice, granted but both are responsible for many deaths. Both are morally wrong.

Technically because Hulk is retarded (using Savage who's caused the most damage) he can't be held morally accountable for his actions, at least not at the level that Frank can, because he doesn't know what he's doing. There's a huge moral difference between murdering a person and killing them because you're scared or don't realize how fragile they are.

If anyone is in the extreme moral wrong out of Hulk and Punisher it would probably have to be Banner 😬

I think the Punisher is worse.

Hulk isn't particularly smart, he's driven by rage and feelings. You can't blame him any more than you can blame an animal or a child for tipping over your grandma's ming vase.

Punisher's a bit different, he's much more of a hypocrite.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Technically because Hulk is retarded (using Savage who's caused the most damage) he can't be held morally accountable for his actions, at least not at the level that Frank can, because he doesn't know what he's doing. There's a huge moral difference between murdering a person and killing them because you're scared or don't realize how fragile they are.

If anyone is in the extreme moral wrong out of Hulk and Punisher it would probably have to be Banner 😬

Originally posted by Juntai
I think you mean Castle, jugding by the context of your post?

No, I actually mean Banner. He's responsible for allowing Hulk to keep on hurting people. As much as he tries to keep from hurting others he has to be aware that there's no way he can actually control the Hulk.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
[B]Technically because Hulk is retarded (using Savage who's caused the most damage) he can't be held morally accountable for his actions, at least not at the level that Frank can, because he doesn't know what he's doing. There's a huge moral difference between murdering a person and killing them because you're scared or don't realize how fragile they are. /B]

Co-sign.

That doesn't go for World War Hulk though.

Originally posted by llagrok
Co-sign.

That doesn't go for World War Hulk though.

True.