Shapeshifting Father Bush?

do your research. its back up by

It is commonly assumed that there is no aristocracy, let alone nobility, in America. Nothing could be farther from the truth. In his work, Ancestors of American Presidents, Gary Boyd Roberts of the New England Historic Genealogical Society reveals at least 33 presidents of the United States have been related to England’s King Alfred the Great (849-899) and Charlemagne (742-814), the famous monarch of France, and 19 Presidents are related to England’s King Edward III (1312-1377), who has a thousand blood connections to Prince Charles.

again.........a claim yet nothing to back it up. Here's what you do Deano.......you start with any president you wish....make a table with parents, grandparents, greatgrandparents, etc..........repeat with all these people you claim are related. If the names of their ancestors intersect, you are correct. If they do not, you're just some random conspiracy guy full of shit that believes something some other random internet guy who is equally full of shit published on the internet.

it's not a difficult task here guy. If I make a claim someone is related to someone else, I can atleast draw a family tree for each individual and circle the intersecting ancestor.

kharmadog nice try...i produced the New England Historic Genealogical Society as my backup.

so what are you saying evil dead, are you calling the 'New England Historic Genealogical Society ' liers?

can you prove to me aliens exist? if not then you just some other random alien nut who sits there with tin foil around his head waiting for the motherhsip to arrive.

see we can all do it cant we

Originally posted by Deano
kharmadog nice try...i produced the New England Historic Genealogical Society as my backup.

so what are you saying evil dead, are you calling the 'New England Historic Genealogical Society ' liers?

can you prove to me aliens exist? if not then you just some other random alien nut who sits there with tin foil around his head waiting for the motherhsip to arrive.

see we can all do it cant we

1. Any person who states a claim, especially an incredible claim such as this yet refuses to publish their research, the smoking gun to their claim.....yes liars all. It doesn't matter what these hobbyists choose to call themselves. Any serious research done in any area resulting in evidence of a proven hypothesis is not only shared and published but done so gleefully. Any person who claims to have done research on a subject, makes a claim that this research resulted in a fact....then refuses to share this research saying, "just trust me" is a liar.

2. your last line is irrelevant. Mathmatically, yes I can prove to you aliens exist. Beyond that, no......and have never claimed I could. Can a person prove aliens have ever been to this planet, solar system or galaxy? no. Ofcourse, I have never claimed such. I have made comments.......representing my beliefs and labeled as such, never have I made such claims and presented them as facts. See....not only was this line of your post irrelevant to the subject it was counter-productive to your mission. You are making outrageous claims and present them as fact.....then branch off to another subject in which your opposition has never done. I don't need help in the credibility department.....

Deano, I was tolerating your retarded efforts and your stupid theories. They retarded but I was tolerating it. But this? BUT THIS? This only shows people like Deano shouldn't have:

A life
An internet connection

Originally posted by Evil Dead
1. Any person who states a claim, especially an incredible claim such as this yet refuses to publish their research, the smoking gun to their claim.....yes liars all. It doesn't matter what these hobbyists choose to call themselves. Any serious research done in any area resulting in evidence of a proven hypothesis is not only shared and published but done so gleefully. Any person who claims to have done research on a subject, makes a claim that this research resulted in a fact....then refuses to share this research saying, "just trust me" is a liar.

they have no agenda though do they? they dont go around saying that the illuminati run the world, or that the world leaders are aliens. they are simply saying that the many people in power are related.

http://www.newenglandancestors.org/

here is there website.

just admit you are being like this because you dont want to believe. you are afraid of the answer. i guarentee the information is accurate. you just are not willing to look. its actuallly quite laughable how desperate you have become.

here is the chart
http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/author/icke/1999/bush.html

2. your last line is irrelevant. Mathmatically, yes I can prove to you aliens exist. Beyond that, no......and have never claimed I could. Can a person prove aliens have ever been to this planet, solar system or galaxy? no. Ofcourse, I have never claimed such. I have made comments.......representing my beliefs and labeled as such, never have I made such claims and presented them as facts. See....not only was this line of your post irrelevant to the subject it was counter-productive to your mission. You are making outrageous claims and present them as fact.....then branch off to another subject in which your opposition has never done. I don't need help in the credibility department.....

well most people have said that aliens in the true sense of the word, dont exist, because if we all stemmed from the big bang, then all life would be the same and the solar systems would of formed at the same time. also that if there was other galaxys ,planets, then they would be exactly the same as the earth, and the life on the planet would be exactly the same. meaning that there is probably billions of earths out there are humans occupying them all, with different stages of evolution. on some planets we might not even exist. dinosaurs might still roam on some. its because we all come from the same blue print. Astronomers say there could be billions of Earths in our galaxy, the Milky Way.

im not saying i believe that theory, but it is certainly interesting. but if you are only willing to believe something when its hits you square in the face, then i feel bad for you.

do you believe aliens have came here/are here?

they have no agenda though do they? they dont go around saying that the illuminati run the world, or that the world leaders are aliens. they are simply saying that the many people in power are related.

one does not need an agenda to make untrue claims.....furthermore, their desire for the claim to be true is all one needs. I checked that link Deano. I , however, did not even find the claim that you said they made, much less any support, evidence, research to back it up.

whatever you were trying to link to in your second link only shows up as:

Gone
The requested resource
/author/icke/1999/bush.html
is no longer available on this server and there is no forwarding address. Please remove all references to this resource.
Apache/1.3.37 Server at www.hiddenmysteries.org Port 80

not that it would have mattered. I doubt it could have been serious research by legitimate experts with "icke/bush" in the URL.

well most people have said that aliens in the true sense of the word, dont exist, because if we all stemmed from the big bang, then all life would be the same and the solar systems would of formed at the same time. also that if there was other galaxys ,planets, then they would be exactly the same as the earth, and the life on the planet would be exactly the same. meaning that there is probably billions of earths out there are humans occupying them all, with different stages of evolution. on some planets we might not even exist. dinosaurs might still roam on some. its because we all come from the same blue print. Astronomers say there could be billions of Earths in our galaxy, the Milky Way.

wtf? who said that? That's just ridiculous? what does the beginning of the universe have to do with conditions of different planets on which life evolves? who are these most people you speak of? Life differs from the Gobi desert to a tropical rain forest on our own planet. There is no uniformity at all. The largest determining factor for the type of life that exists is environment, temperature being the largest factor in the environment. All life on earth is directly dependant on it's exact distance from the sun, it's exact orbit and exact rotation. From there the types of life present depend on their specific location on the planet due to varying temperatures in the base range of Earth's temperature.

yes, I do believe alien life has visited this planet before. With even the most modest of numbers entered into Drake's equation, the resulting answer is that 50,000 advanced civilizations exist in our Milky Way galaxy alone. To be advanced, on must be intelligent. To be intelligent, one must have curiosity....the desire to to learn. We humans explore and research every differing ecosystem on our planet........why wouldn't another race with the ability to study our ecosystem of Earth as a whole do so? I think they stop by every now and again, take some data and are on their way. Pretty much the way we humans do when we go to the rainforest or African planes for a month to study the life there. Stop in, watch for a bit, record data, go home.

im pretty sure the chart is accurate. someone would of come along and debunked it by now

and why then do you make fun of the reptillian theory? couldnt this race that you think came here before have been reptillian in appearence?

1. what chart? You have posted nothing concerning a chart......except a dead link that doesn't exist anymore.

2. I laugh at the Lizard people thing because of the following:

- It's a total rip off of one of the most famous sci-fi series of all time....V. It's not like someone actually came up with an original idea, they just watched "V" and said, "hey...wouldn't it be cool if these alien lizards disguised as humans were really out there?" It merits the same response as if someone states that Vulcans or Klingons are real.

- There is no evidence, even anectdotal to support the idea lizard people exist. The verification of something's existence is a pre-requisite to involving that something in a huge world wide conspiracy. Baby steps Deano.........first prove something is real, THEN go on about how it is or isn't involved in a conspiracy encompassing everybody on the planet except you and 3 other members of this forum.

- Your source is not an expert in anything whatsoever. There are some credible people in the alien/UFO field like Stanton Friedman.....a nuclear physicist for over 30 years who has worked on government projects aswell as for the huge corporations contracted by the US government. Your source is some guy who was a mediocre soccer player (football to you) 20 years ago. How tending a goal makes one qualified in anything other than soccer is beyond me. David Beckham is a far superior soccer player than Icke..........but I'm not going to take his word as expertise on anything other than how to kick a ball. Other notable people I will not be looking to for expertise in a field that involves anything of research or scientific study.......Michael Jordan, Dan Marino, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Charles Barkley, Brett Farve, Jose Canseco, Roger Clemens and Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

- none of this is new information to you. You are not stupid. Despite your knowledge of all of this you still report such claims as fact instead of acknowledging that it is a very off kilter belief held by you and a few other people share ideas on the internet.

I swear I think you're just a normal person in every day life. I bet you never discuss this subject in your personal relationships, your occupation, with your family, etc. I envision this just being a sort of fantasy, escape from reality idea you embrace while on the internet. Once you close your browser window you're off to a normal life. I don't see Deano getting up from his computer screen then sitting around the dinner table with his wife and kids discussing how the lizard people are enslaving human kind to do something that you're not quite sure of yet. I don't see you going to work and talking to your friends about how George Bush is a giant alien lizard. It's okay....it's your online thing. Some people have World of Warcraft, you have this escapism. Don't get offended because some people laugh at it.......I named several very good reasons while I myself do so above. Escapism is great.....but should be kept to the community. If there were people here posting about World of Warcraft shit I would laugh at them too. Only the other people who share your escapist beliefs, internet activity will appreciate all of what you say.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
1. what chart? You have posted nothing concerning a chart......except a dead link that doesn't exist anymore.

link worked for me. i'll attempt anothe rlink

2. I laugh at the Lizard people thing because of the following:

- It's a total rip off of one of the most famous sci-fi series of all time....V. It's not like someone actually came up with an original idea, they just watched "V" and said, "hey...wouldn't it be cool if these alien lizards disguised as humans were really out there?" It merits the same response as if someone states that Vulcans or Klingons are real.

- There is no evidence, even anectdotal to support the idea lizard people exist. The verification of something's existence is a pre-requisite to involving that something in a huge world wide conspiracy. Baby steps Deano.........first prove something is real, THEN go on about how it is or isn't involved in a conspiracy encompassing everybody on the planet except you and 3 other members of this forum.

wrong. the ancients believed in such creatures who came from the sky and look reptillian in appearence, and that could shapeshift. so really i think some writer heard the ancient storys and made the series 'v'/ thats it. so you are wrong.

and there is no hard evidence(or is there) to suggest aliens have been here either. yet you believe it. which is fine.

- Your source is not an expert in anything whatsoever. There are some credible people in the alien/UFO field like Stanton Friedman.....a nuclear physicist for over 30 years who has worked on government projects aswell as for the huge corporations contracted by the US government. Your source is some guy who was a mediocre soccer player (football to you) 20 years ago. How tending a goal makes one qualified in anything other than soccer is beyond me. David Beckham is a far superior soccer player than Icke..........but I'm not going to take his word as expertise on anything other than how to kick a ball. Other notable people I will not be looking to for expertise in a field that involves anything of research or scientific study.......Michael Jordan, Dan Marino, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Charles Barkley, Brett Farve, Jose Canseco, Roger Clemens and Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

icke has done tons of research on the subject and has told us his conclusions. he is not telling you to believe what he says.

and what makes the names you mention credible? phil scneider and james casbolt worked for the government and they talk about the aliens and how some are reptillian in appearence. admit that you only believe in what suits your current beliefs.

- none of this is new information to you. You are not stupid. Despite your knowledge of all of this you still report such claims as fact instead of acknowledging that it is a very off kilter belief held by you and a few other people share ideas on the internet.

i dont report claims as fact. i never have done. i merely present difference accounts and opinions. make of them what you will.

I swear I think you're just a normal person in every day life. I bet you never discuss this subject in your personal relationships, your occupation, with your family, etc. I envision this just being a sort of fantasy, escape from reality idea you embrace while on the internet. Once you close your browser window you're off to a normal life. I don't see Deano getting up from his computer screen then sitting around the dinner table with his wife and kids discussing how the lizard people are enslaving human kind to do something that you're not quite sure of yet. I don't see you going to work and talking to your friends about how George Bush is a giant alien lizard. It's okay....it's your online thing. Some people have World of Warcraft, you have this escapism. Don't get offended because some people laugh at it.......I named several very good reasons while I myself do so above. Escapism is great.....but should be kept to the community. If there were people here posting about World of Warcraft shit I would laugh at them too. Only the other people who share your escapist beliefs, internet activity will appreciate all of what you say.

define normal? normal is going to school and getting a job when you leave. normal is wearing the right uniform(clothes). if you dont do these things then you are considered stupid/unpopular. you can only be yourself. normal is a bullshit word.

i dont go and sit around the table discussing reptillians. nor do i mention it to my friends. the reason being is because it would be ludicrous to talk to a bunch of brainwashed people who are only interested in whats on tv tonight.

truth is, the alien agenda is not a big deal to me. its a fascinating subject but i dont know much about it.

i have mentioned the nwo agenda countless of times and have shown people evidence and such. i firmly believe that there is such an agenda, and i will openly discuss with people i know, because it is real and happening now.

so no its not just an online thing.

You know what annoys me about nut jobs like Deano, is that they think everyone that doesn't believe in they're crazy shit they're afraid. Ever thought were all just not freaks. 🙄

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
If Deano beleifs this crap he really is an idiot.

yeah but that also applies to the people who believe that crap that bombs werent set off in the world trade center towers and that it wasnt an inside job by the government. 😛

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
You know what annoys me about nut jobs like Deano, is that they think everyone that doesn't believe in they're crazy shit they're afraid. Ever thought were all just not freaks. 🙄

well if Deano really believes in Lizard people and tells you your afraid for not believeing in that thats a good point cause there no evidence of that.However the people who ignore facts that bombs were set off in the world trade center towers and that it was obviously an inside job by the government ARE people who are obviosulty afraid of the truth which is really pathetic.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
You know what annoys me about nut jobs like Deano, is that they think everyone that doesn't believe in they're crazy shit they're afraid. Ever thought were all just not freaks. 🙄

wow i should look up to you as my role model. you obviously have all the answer oh wise one.

just get out of the thread. you dont know me at all. 😉

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yeah but that also applies to the people who believe that crap that bombs werent set off in the world trade center towers and that it wasnt an inside job by the government. 😛

if you believe in something but get ridiucled for that belief, yet at the same time ridicule others for other beliefs, then you are just as bad as the rest of them.

Originally posted by Deano
if you believe in something but get ridiucled for that belief, yet at the same time ridicule others for other beliefs, then you are just as bad as the rest of them.

okay good point.sorry about that.I dont share your beliefs in Lizard people but you DO have that right to express your belief, so again sorry about that.I would stick with things like 9-11 though if i were you though because its MUCH MUCH by far easier to prove something like that to be true than it is in Lizard people.The evidence is overwhelming for something like that to prove your right where with lizard people it isnt.

I myself even if i did belief in it,would keep it to myself because its pretty much impossible to prove to be true and I dont think I have seen anybody come on here who shares your conviction on that where thats not the case with 9-11 and I can always shoot down their pitiful arguments that support the offical version.with Lizard people,thats extremely difficult to do because the evidence is flimsy,thats why I personally would leave it alone even if I strongly belived it to be true because I would know I wouldnt have anything to back it up on and nobody would share my beliefs.where with 9-11,I know theres lots of people out there that have logic and common sense about it so its pretty easy to take people to school on that and prove them wrong even though they always will deny it.until you can prove it though,I really wouldnt mess with it and concentrate on the important stuff that IS proveable such as 9-11 and winters NWO.thats just me though.to each his own. 😉

lizard people sound ssilyl though doesnt it. they would be classed as extraterrestrial

well either way, even though i do believe that there are aliens out there from other planets that visit us in UFO'S to study us,I dont believe that theres shapeshifting aliens among us disguised as people.havent seen any proof of that.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
well either way, even though i do believe that there are aliens out there from other planets that visit us in UFO'S to study us,I dont believe that theres shapeshifting aliens among us disguised as people.havent seen any proof of that.

holy shit........

that gets a thumbs up from me.

my problem with the whole lizard people kick Deano is on isn't just his belief in their existence........fine, believe whatever. the problem is that he goes beyond a belief in existence and incorporates these supposed lizard people into a world wide conspiracy that involves millions upon millions of people. It's like he's going straight from step 1 to step 25. First, worry about proving something exists........THEN go about global conspiracies and whatnot. I'll use the analogy of an automobile. You must first prove an engine exists before you can go about speculating what it does or how it relates/affects the other components or the car itself.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
holy shit........

that gets a thumbs up from me.

my problem with the whole lizard people kick Deano is on isn't just his belief in their existence........fine, believe whatever. the problem is that he goes beyond a belief in existence and incorporates these supposed lizard people into a world wide conspiracy that involves millions upon millions of people. It's like he's going straight from step 1 to step 25. First, worry about proving something exists........THEN go about global conspiracies and whatnot. I'll use the analogy of an automobile. You must first prove an engine exists before you can go about speculating what it does or how it relates/affects the other components or the car itself.

thats why I told you over on winters thread that when I say people like you and your buddie kharma dog and people like mcgee need to stop allowing the mainstream media to brainwash you with their propaganda and lies about crap that there werent bombs that went off in the towers and that the CIA wasnt behind kennedys assassination,that you need to start reading alternative news that reports REAL news like the stuff I mentioned such as media bypass,american free press,and prison planet.com sources that investigate REAL news like those items I mentioned,you replied with something like-yeah those people really investigate and report real news such as lizard people being among us-you missed it back there but I replied back to you and said-First of all,dont lump me in there with Deano of people who believe in Lizard People.

Those news sources I listed to you that I read dont report nonsense like that.if they ever did,I would cancel my subsciption to those magazines. Is what I said back to you there not too long ago,so again,just because I tell you that people like you and your man backfire that you mentioned,boy you two guys are VERY very much indeed afraid of the truth about conspirays like 9-11 and the kennedy assassaination-"him probably even more so than you because unlike you,i doubt he believes in life forces out in outer space either." but just because I say people like you guys are afraid of the truth about those conspiracys-which is so obvious to people like me and Deano who have done extensive research on those two topics and can back up our claims on that,just because I say your afraid of the truth about those two topics,doesnt mean I have the same agreements as deano on shape shifting aliens here on earth disguised as people.so please dont lump me in there with Deano of someone who believes in that.I obvious dont.

I return to see....bad camera quality. Bravo.

Nothing personal, but if david Icke agrees with it, it's bound to be stupid and not thought through. Also, how can these guys be so smart to control our planet, but so stupid to shapeshift on national television. Unless it's their plan to let us know. lookaround

But seriously, it said it was on CNN, now I think it's very hypocritical ridiculous, and embarrasing for people are highly against CNN (which they claim is tampered by the aliens to "hide the truth"😉 to use it as their primary source.

Then again, I am glad that to find one of the responces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq1SgXIKI3U&watch_response I don't think anyone smarter than a moron would take this seriously.