Woohoo, official off-topic thread!

Originally posted by Burning thought
There was no context, you cut out the context completly and used portions of my post that would discredit me. Like a reporter taking words out of context to discredit a celebrity despite the words making sense and being logical when part of the celebrities full sentence.

There is context, just not your context of preference. I am not discrediting you, I am quoting a sequence of lines related to one another that I found amusement in.

Again, anyone can follow the link and read the whole thing. There is no stopping anyone from clicking the link I quoted. If I had quoted everything, the part I found amusing would have been lost in the text. If people want the whole context, it is as simple as clicking the links to get it.

If I wanted to discredit YOU, and laugh at YOU, I would have quoted the whole thing. I just found the words used funny. I know you take it personal, but you should not. It was not. You must admit that it looks funny from the angle from which I quoted.

Its not really "funny", its just an attempt to make me look wrong in that argument instead of Rapidash who was making assertions without evidence. But ill drop it , I "know" what you were trying to do, your not going to convince.

I would have quoted it even if Rapidash did it. You are missing the point. Regardless, I do not make you look wrong. You have a talent of pulling that off yourself.

And no, I do not find this trolling. I just think that you have a twisted perspective of what logic is. Also, burden of proof, valuable as it is, is relative. Just because she needs to prove what she is claiming, does not mean you can make illogical claims left and right until she has proven hers. You are countering a fallacy with a fallacy.

Yes, she was doing assertions without evidence, but so were you, and more frequently.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yes, you spelt my bloomin' user name wrong. gay_rage RAGE on!

Also, we're the RawrRaginRAAAAAGE Club (3RC). I made the name like that to parody the lollovelink club name style 😛.

Fair enough. 😛

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Nemebro, fascistcrusader, GrieverSquall, Pyron_Knight, XanatosForever

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Originally posted by Phantom Miria
And no, I do not find this trolling

You have a talent of pulling that off yourself.

I just think that you have a twisted perspective of what logic is

Ah I see, I thought I was right in the reason I thought you wanted to discredit.

And no, I did not debate that argument, I discussed it and showed her how she was wrong by making assertions by using my own to try and make her realise the faults in her argument. If you looked at my first (or was it second?) post in the thread, I outline how we knew little on the LK at the time and that my deductions were just based on scraps and assumption. I never implied I was speaking of fact like she was.

Originally posted by Rapidash
- Fact: Lich King has been by official and reliable Blizzard sources been stated to be one of the most powerful beings on Azeroth currently.
- Fact: Lich King is limited to the powers of a Lich. This grants him death, frost and shadow magic.
- Fact: Lich King is a highly intellectual entity. Only Velen and Kil'Jaeden would be above his intellectual level from what we know so far (Not including Titans)
- Fact: Ner'Zhul lost all of his shaman powers when the spirits abandoned him. Arthas lost all his Paladin powers when the corruption of Frostmourne was complete.
- Fact: Lich King is magical. Malygos is the supreme Azerothian power in magic. In all of existance, only Titans can match him.

I find this pretty factual.

And now that we know what powers the Lich King has, we also know that she was talking about facts. He only has death, frost and shadow magic.

The second and last "facts" were opinions or false and most of them are common sense. At the time we still didnt know the extent of the LK powers.

The Manual of Monsters or whichever stated that he had Lich powers and also listed spells he had. It is not an opinion if you have black on white what spells he has.

The last part of the last one is perhaps an opinion, but Malygos was blessed by Norgannon. Lich King by Kil'Jaeden. The absolute master of magic made Malygos an aspect of magic. It does not get more magical than that. Kil'Jaeden could only hope to create a powerful magical entity, but to my understanding he did not even try. He just wanted someone to watch the Scourge for him.

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]The Manual of Monsters or whichever stated that he had Lich powers and also listed spells he had. It is not an opinion if you have black on white what spells he has.

The last part of the last one is perhaps an opinion, but Malygos was blessed by Norgannon. Lich King by Kil'Jaeden. The absolute master of magic made Malygos an aspect of magic. It does not get more magical than that. Kil'Jaeden could only hope to create a powerful magical entity, but to my understanding he did not even try. He just wanted someone to watch the Scourge for him. [/B]

The manuel of monsters is a gameplay RPG, thats like saying the only powers Malygos has are those seen in WoW.

Anyway an opinion, but at the time we still did not know much on the LK, nor do we know his extent. He had hardly been fought, I am not even sure if the wrath of the LK was even out.

Why aren't there anymore Lich King threads? Is it the fact that Arthas is dead or something? =/

I think it is because people do not like debating him. A lot of the characters debated on this forum are dead, so that is of no relevance. Besides, while Arthas is dead, Lich King is still alive.

Originally posted by Heythere,Honey
Why aren't there anymore Lich King threads? Is it the fact that Arthas is dead or something? =/

LK is not really the more popular character to argue, I for one like him as a character but I guess his fights and powers are still not the easiest to gauge considering a lot of them are in gameplay only.

So is Kain though and you seem to find it quite easy to gauge him.

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]So is Kain though and you seem to find it quite easy to gauge him. [/B]

No thats not true, Kain is not. Infact Kain is simple as his powers are all straightforward.

Kain is still mostly gameplay. And which of Lich King's powers are not straightforward?

No, hes not. All his powers he uses in his WoW showings for instance, their based on mechanics of damage against players. Its hard to gauge what the powers actually do to an opponent in a KMC debate.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No, hes not. All his powers he uses in his WoW showings for instance, their based on mechanics of damage against players. Its hard to gauge what the powers actually do to an opponent in a KMC debate.

Fury of Frostmourne one-shots the entire raid with an insane amount of Shadow Damage, but wouldn't one-shot an opponent that is resistant to Shadow Damage

Originally posted by Heythere,Honey
So its like this?

Fury of Frostmourne one-shots the entire raid with an insane amount of Shadow Damage, but wouldn't one-shot an opponent that is resistant to Shadow Damage

Sort of, its hard to say because what is fury of frostmourne in a real fight? is it just a blast of shadow damage thats strong enough to kill a Warcraft player, but how strong would it be against Kratos, Kain or Dante etc? Thats what I would ask myself when gauging the power and their hard questions to answer.

Thats what I think its the hardest thing to take into account, they may not need shadow resistance to survive its power. And one shotting a world of warcraft character is very different to doing so to an actual character in a cinematic because that would not be gameplay.

Its hard to gauge powers that the LK uses, I mean I guess you could claim he can blast a lot of opponents with shadow damage using fury of frostmourne, or you could say he can curse his enemies with infect but other than that, how much damage it would do to Kain, Kratos etc is unknown and hard to gauge.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Although thanks for the threads Q, I know I was right on my belief in why you grudge.

You seem to be under the false impression that I care even the slightest about what you have to say.
There is a reason why I do not read your posts in Warcraft threads.

And do not think I do not like to prove claims. I just do not like to prove them to you. The day you learn the concept of humility and respect, I will start taking you seriously.

Originally posted by Heythere,Honey
So its like this?

Fury of Frostmourne one-shots the entire raid with an insane amount of Shadow Damage, but wouldn't one-shot an opponent that is resistant to Shadow Damage

Your characters in WoW have no quantifiable feats. You're just one more adventurer whose ability is questionable in the face of so many powerful foes in the WoW