Wow...
Supes can get Motherbox, and a Green Lantern ring. With those 2 items he completely overpowers Kain in raw power(though he doesn't need them to overpower Kain in raw strength, speed, durability etc.) and versatility.
Kain won't be mind raping Supes. Supes has taken mind assaults for very powerful telepaths and has come out victorious.
Did you miss the point I meant Supes with prep?
Not that Supes won't just speedblitz Kain until the end of time.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Wow...Supes can get Motherbox, and a Green Lantern ring. With those 2 items he completely overpower Kain in raw power and versatility.
Kain won't be mind raping Supes. Supes has taken mind assaults for very powerful telepaths and has come out victorious.Did you miss the point I meant Supes with prep?
Not that Supes won't just speedblitz Kain until the end of time.
thats the thing, as fast as supes is, time still passes, and give kain the time it takes for a thought wave to pass and kain will activate the time reaver, or cast incapacitate, or do the first, then the second, then deactivate the first...either way, Superman trapped in time. Then its kains toy
Also i dont know what motherbox is and in any case, their not his regular outfit of items, wheras kains reaver is his own, those rings have been given to many. Also the ring has charge power. Also sure he can come out against powerful telepaths but for an indefinant amount of time, and how about his physical brain? regardless of the mind, is his actualy brain in his head special
hmm whats the diffrence with supes with prep, what can he possibly prepare?
also Shin he doesnt have to be uber, he just has so many powers and his inability to die that he is unlikely to lose against supes given time, which he ofc has, his not dieing
Originally posted by Burning thought
thats the thing, as fast as supes is, time still passes, and give kain the time it takes for a thought wave to pass and kain will activate the time reaver, or cast incapacitate, or do the first, then the second, then deactivate the first...either way, Superman trapped in time. Then its kains toyAlso i dont know what motherbox is and in any case, their not his regular outfit of items, wheras kains reaver is his own, those rings have been given to many. Also the ring has charge power. Also sure he can come out against powerful telepaths but for an indefinant amount of time, and how about his physical brain? regardless of the mind, is his actualy brain in his head special
hmm whats the diffrence with supes with prep, what can he possibly prepare?
What can he possibly prepare? Anything. With a Green Lantern ring he can do anything he imagines so long as his will is strong enough. Unfortunately for anyone facing Superman with a GL ring Superman is actually very intelligent which means he can come up with hundreds of ways to defeat opponents and has near limitless will. He has even managed to replace a Green Lantern by having the GLern's ring fit itself in his finger by sheer will alone.
Prep means Superman can have the time to get items and weapons he does not ordinary has access too. Being a member of the Justice League alone grants him access to a shitload of weapons, items and technology to take on pretty much anyone and anything.
Motherbox not only multiplies Supes overall stats but it grants him a shitload of powers he does not normally have. It gives him matter manipulation, energy manipulation among many others. Its power comes from DC's source.
What can Supes do with this prep? Simply get Kain stuck in the source. Not even Darkseid can free himself from the source, so Kain will be pretty much ****ed unless you're willing to debate Kain > True Darkseid. Or Supes could use motherbox and the GL ring to teleport Kain into Entropy where he will be instantly pawned before he can bring himself back. The possibilities are endless if you ask me.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
What can he possibly prepare? Anything. With a Green Lantern ring he can do anything he imagines so long as his will is strong enough. Unfortunately for anyone facing Superman with a GL ring Superman is actually very intelligent which means he can come up with hundreds of ways to defeat opponents and has near limitless will. He has even managed to replace and grab a Green Lantern's ring by sheer will alone. 'Nuff said.Prep means Superman can have the time to get items and weapons he does not ordinary has access too. Being a member of the Justice League alone grants him access to a shitload of weapons, items and technology to take on pretty much anyone and anything.
Motherbox not only multiplies Supes overall stats but it grants him a shitload of powers he does not normally have. It gives him matter manipulation, energy manipulation among many others. Its power comes from DC's source.
What can Supes do with this prep? Simply get Kain stuck in the source. Not even Darkseid can free himself from the source, so Kain will be pretty much ****ed unless you're willing to debate Kain > True Darkseid.
fair enough but as i initially asked, its not "supermans" its something anyone whos a green latern can use, items that he can get would also be void because thats considering were in the universe where he can get them, for example theres items in both marvel and DC, they may be fighting in a realm where they wouldnt have this and supes would not have access to said items since taking that into account, why doesnt kain just have a GL ring and motherbox
what is the source, dimension/reality, kain can dimension movement so if its jsut a dimension he could escape through this.
also as i said, whats the brain of supes like, physical brain...kain can cause shocks to the brain itself rendering beings mentally broken because their brain is paralysed
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I entered the discussion because you said Superman with limitless prep won't do shit to Kain, and I felt the need to correct you.The Source is basically the power of the DCverse Supreme Being.
maybe with limitless prep then, and able to get these items of power
can this power source be escaped though? what are its bounds, or is it, once your in, no being can escape
Darkseid's true form has not been able to escape the Source yet.
And we are talking about Darkseid here....Mr-I-beat-PCSUPES-ass-like-a-I-do-bitches. Mr. I-can-mind-control-a-million-daxamites(kryptonian level beings) etc. etc.
And I think Supes can do all of that without LIMITless prep. He can get access to everything in the JLA with minimal effort. In less than 30 minutes he can get anything he needs. Heck if you take into consideration Superman's insane speed and reaction time with highspeed thinking he only needs 15 seconds to thoroughly own anyone short of skyfather, but alas...if writters did that he would be boring to read...ala PC Supes.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Darkseid's true form has not been able to escape the Source yet.And we are talking about Darkseid here....Mr-I-beat-PCSUPES-ass-like-a-I-do-bitches. Mr. I-can-mind-control-a-million-daxamites(kryptonian level beings) etc. etc.
And I think Supes can do all of that without LIMITless prep. He can get access to everything in the JLA with minimal effort. In less than 30 minutes he can get anything he needs. Heck if you take into consideration Superman's insane speed and reaction time with highspeed thinking he only needs 15 seconds to thoroughly own anyone short of skyfather, but alas...if writters did that he would be boring to read...ala PC Supes.
hmm although his other feets are powerful, it depends what hes using to escape, if he can warp planes and jump from dimension to dimension and still cant escape it means kain would definatley be trapped
well as i say, if were putting the fight in the unvierse where these things excist, some battles "can" be in a completly diffrent setting where these items wouldnt excist but i understand what your saying
as far as supes intelligence goes thats obvious, he is incredibly intelligent, but what about his creativeness, his imagination? it seems green lantern rings are connected with this, what have the best green lanterns been able to do with their rings? can superman equel or better them in your opinion?
Originally posted by shin_gear
That was Jin as well, and the proof which you'll deny:YouTube video
So, jin losing to Tekken force=Soloing Tekken force?
Weren't you the person who tried to get rid of bisons nuke feat because he died to unrelated causes? But, when jin fails at beating tekken force, he actually solo's them according to you. . . how fair gears.
Originally posted by shin_gear
That doesn't explain why he was talking about sending a letter to Wang, and held the 5th Tournament so that someone could stop the devil taking over him. 😬
Yeah, it does, he sent the letter because he wanted someone to stop him since he could not do it himself. He does not have control over himself. . . How obvious can it be gears?
Originally posted by shin_gear
No, you're not getting the fact that it wasn't the devil talking. It would be stupid to say that his devil was having a mutual conversation with Wulong talking about how he sent a letter to his best friend Jinrei. 😬
But, it makes sense for Jinpaichi to say out of character things like "I will destroy everything". 😬
If the devil entitiy is ordering him to do it, would that not mean he has control of him?
Originally posted by shin_gearAlso you ignored what I said earlier. Following an order that you're incapable of doing is impossible. Having no choice but to follow that order proves the ability of accomplishing that goal.
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What goal was that gears, all it said was that it wanted to destroy everything. It did not say anything regarding capabilities of Jinpaichi. Like I said, using that logic Dark Ryu should be able to do the same. Besides, who cares who is telling what to do? So, because Jinpaichi is being controled, he can do anything he's told too? Your acting as if the devil entity had some full proof plan here. 😬
Originally posted by Fire NinjaI said soloing a number of Tekken Force soldiers, if you were listening.
So, jin losing to Tekken force=Soloing Tekken force?
Originally posted by Fire NinjaNo, I said they contradict, and that the so called "feat" (since it happened in a noncanonical ending as far as I'm concerned) factored not much in the Taki vs. Bison thread, as he's been shown getting owned by bullets which are more similar to Taki's weapons that an overrated nuke. 😬
Weren't you the person who tried to get rid of bisons nuke feat because he died to unrelated causes?
Originally posted by Fire NinjaRead above.
But, when jin fails at beating tekken force, he actually solo's them according to you. . . how fair gears.
Originally posted by Fire NinjaWow, you sir have without a doubt proved that you have the greatest lack of reading comprehension on this board. Tell me what does that have to do with the fact he was speaking as Jinpachi to Lei Wulong?
Yeah, it does, he sent the letter because he wanted someone to stop him since he could not do it himself. He does not have control over himself. . . How obvious can it be gears?
Originally posted by Fire NinjaWasn't that the instant he was overcome by the devil and transformed? Exactly.
But, it makes sense for Jinpaichi to say out of character things like "I will destroy everything". 😬
Originally posted by Fire NinjaThe fact that he keeps mentioning that he has a bit of human consciousness left explains this.
If the devil entitiy is ordering him to do it, would that not mean he has control of him?
Originally posted by Fire Ninja"All it said was it wanted to destroy everything". That's the best argument you can come up with against something that's apparent proof and common sense at the same time. 😬
What goal was that gears, all it said was that it wanted to destroy everything. It did not say anything regarding capabilities of Jinpaichi. Like I said, using that logic Dark Ryu should be able to do the same. Besides, who cares who is telling what to do? So, because Jinpaichi is being controled, he can do anything he's told too? Your acting as if the devil entity had some full proof plan here. 😬