Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats true but those are low showings by Sentry and Sentry has fought Galactus. Its seems Sentry at full potential is extremely powerful.That maybe true but since Terraxs axe was created by the same person that created Surfers board the same principle still spplies.
How come we dont use the same principle when determining heralds ?
Same principle? same creator?
Originally posted by starlock
How come we dont use the same principle when determining heralds ?
Same principle? same creator?
Dont understand.
Oh yes to everybody else. BBs whisper was just like a gust of wind, it implies that Sentry could possible take BBs scream.
BBs scream was enough to scare off a cosmic being that collected galaxies.
BB's whisper didn't even touch Sentry, or was even aimed at him.
Plus, Sentry stood away from BB, and didn't want to fight him, because he was afraid he'd scream...
Originally posted by AlfheimI'm thinking of other times it's been broken, off the top of my head.
What so that proves that doesnt prove how powerful sentry is.
Originally posted by AlfheimMorg's ax connected with the other ax.
Meh.....so morg broke Teraxs axe. Morg was trying really hard wasnt he though. Sentry wasnt even trying.
Or if Morg cut it in half.
It's not really the same thing, but in the end, Terrax's ax was broken in each.
Also, no, Morg wasn't trying that hard.
Plus, Waters of Life Morg would decimate Sentry...
Originally posted by AlfheimI was just saying.
😕 Look its a cosmic accesory its upposed to be really hard.
Originally posted by Alfheim😐
because I can hes supposed to have limitless potential.
Also, he's supposed to have the power of a million suns... which is far from unlimited.
Originally posted by AlfheimThe Celestials weren't even trying though...
Well if it was just him vs The Celestial he would have been able to cut more pieces off. The only reason why he didnt bother him was because he could regenerate. If he was able to get more hits in it would have taken longer.
Originally posted by AlfheimWe know the circumstances between the Sentry fight?
Sorry dur, must be tired... 😂
Personally, until that fight is artistically displayed, I don't think it's good evidence in debates.
Or else, I'll bring up his on panel loses...
Originally posted by quanchi112
which celestial, make it scathan the approver.
he's not a real celestial he's a beyonder
odin in the destroyer couldnt even dent any celestials but it took a combined blast by the celestials to take the destroyer down i guess the celestial would come out on top eventually yup i see that happening onslaught might try to usurp the celestials power.
What we need to remember is that the Destroyer even though it ultimately failed was outnumbered by 8 to 1 and actually took some shots before it went down and it only happened thanks to the combined assault of the Celestials IMO.
As for the fight I agree with the one who said that Odin is the most powerful of the team, Onslaught and Sentry are kind of in the way and agree 100% with Galan and the others about not using a off panel fight as evidence for anything.
Originally posted by UtrigitaMeh. It's not like the Celestials really combined their powers in any Gestalt manner. Arishem, singularly, that razed the interdimensional pathways to the Pantheons. Nezzar, singularly, pretty effortlessly deflected the Power of Ultimate Disintegration from the Destroyer. Arishem, singularly, pulled the Oversword out of himself and melted it. And their blasts independently were piercing the Armor.
What we need to remember is that the Destroyer even though it ultimately failed was outnumbered by 8 to 1 and actually took some shots before it went down and it only happened thanks to the combined assault of the Celestials IMO.As for the fight I agree with the one who said that Odin is the most powerful of the team, Onslaught and Sentry are kind of in the way and agree 100% with Galan and the others about not using a off panel fight as evidence for anything.
A single Celestial would have probably taken longer, but the outcome would have basically been the same. They made it quite clear that the powers of the Destroyer meant little to them, neither singularly nor collectively.
This team loses horribly.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh. It's not like the Celestials really combined their powers in any Gestalt manner. Arishem, singularly, that razed the interdimensional pathways to the Pantheons. Nezzar, singularly, pretty effortlessly deflected the Power of Ultimate Disintegration from the Destroyer. Arishem, singularly, pulled the Oversword out of himself and melted it. And their blasts independently were piercing the Armor.A single Celestial would have probably taken longer, but the outcome would have basically been the same. They made it quite clear that the powers of the Destroyer meant little to them, neither singularly nor collectively.
This team loses horribly.
Yes but the fight would have been different if it was just one Celestial the Destroyer went down after several shots from all the celestials, not just one. It would have taken Longer for one Celestial but I find it possible that the one Celestial would probably stalemate with the Destroyer. Also remember that Arishem is one of the most powerful Celestial.
The team loses yes.
Originally posted by UtrigitaIt seemed far more like they were holding back and awaiting Arishem's decision. Upon his approval, five Celestials destroyed it, by each firing a single "mere seconds" blast simultaneously.
Yes but the fight would have been different if it was just one Celestial the Destroyer went down after several shots from all the celestials, not just one. It would have taken Longer for one Celestial but I find it possible that the one Celestial would probably stalemate with the Destroyer. Also remember that Arishem is one of the most powerful Celestial.The team loses yes.
When the Oversword fails to harm the Celestials and is melted quite effortlessly, and the Power of Ultimate Disintegration is deflected away casually - what exactly would the Destroyer do to stalemate a Celestial?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It seemed far more like they were holding back and awaiting Arishem's decision. Upon his approval, five Celestials destroyed it, by each firing a single "mere seconds" blast simultaneously.When the Oversword fails to harm the Celestials and is melted quite effortlessly, and the Power of Ultimate Disintegration is deflected away casually - what exactly would the Destroyer do to stalemate a Celestial?
Looked to me like the was awaiting Arishems decision when the destroyer was already down.
It was melted by one of the most powerful Celestials, and it succeded in harming them it did cut of a arm that is harming them IMO. It wouldn't have to focus on fighting six more Celestials and it would continue to attack with the sword.
Originally posted by UtrigitaSimultaneous blasts from multiple Celestials before Arishem gave the nod, didn't have anything close to the same effect, so that leads me to believe they were holding back. They didn't really take the Destroyer as any serious threat, not even bothering to avoid attacks from it.
Looked to me like the was awaiting Arishems decision when the destroyer was already down.It was melted by one of the most powerful Celestials, and it succeded in harming them it did cut of a arm that is harming them IMO. It wouldn't have to focus on fighting six more Celestials and it would continue to attack with the sword.
I consider actually harming the Celestial to involve doing substantive lasting damage. The loss of the arm was "nothing" to Nezzar, who regenerated it no fuss no muss. The Oversword also pierced Arishem, but it failed to actually harm him in any way. And a blast from Tefral, did what was thought impossible, severing the bond between the Oversword and the Armor.
Physical attacks from the Destroyer would do nothing, as they'd simply "glance" off Celestial bodies. Energy attacks would be casually deflected. Any attack from the Oversword could simply be regenerated. All the while Odin/Destroyer would need to avoid attacks from Celestial that would actually damage the Destroyer. A single Celestial may take longer, but the outcome would be the same.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Simultaneous blasts from multiple Celestials before Arishem gave the nod, didn't have anything close to the same effect, so that leads me to believe they were holding back. They didn't really take the Destroyer as any serious threat, not even bothering to avoid attacks from it.I consider actually harming the Celestial to involve doing substantive lasting damage. The loss of the arm was "nothing" to Nezzar, who regenerated it no fuss no muss. The Oversword also pierced Arishem, but it failed to actually harm him in any way. And a blast from Tefral, did what was thought impossible, severing the bond between the Oversword and the Armor.
Physical attacks from the Destroyer would do nothing, as they'd simply "glance" off Celestial bodies. Energy attacks would be casually deflected. Any attack from the Oversword could simply be regenerated. All the while Odin/Destroyer would need to avoid attacks from Celestial that would actually damage the Destroyer. A single Celestial may take longer, but the outcome would be the same.
It was already down IMO when he gave the node. They didn't avoid attacks from it but I didn't see it doing it much either.
Okay cool, but harming Nezzar it managed to, also think about how easily it cut of his arm what about a attack against the waist would probably be different.
It didn't take serious damage from one Celestial at the time only when they attacked in number it seemed to have a effect on the destroyer IMO. The question is would continuing attacks from the Destroyer wielding the Odinsword harm the single Celestial IMO yes since the Celestial would be under attack constantly. With a Sword that can cut off any pieces of the Celestial.
Originally posted by UtrigitaBlasts from the Celestials independently damaged the Destroyer Armor, they were combined in the simultaneous sense but they weren't combined in an addition sense.
It was already down IMO when he gave the node. They didn't avoid attacks from it but I didn't see it doing it much either.Okay cool, but harming Nezzar it managed to, also think about how easily it cut of his arm what about a attack against the waist would probably be different.
It didn't take serious damage from one Celestial at the time only when they attacked in number it seemed to have a effect on the destroyer IMO. The question is would continuing attacks from the Destroyer wielding the Odinsword harm the single Celestial IMO yes since the Celestial would be under attack constantly. With a Sword that can cut off any pieces of the Celestial.
The Destroyer was trying to avoid the Celestial attacks as they were actually capable of damaging it. While the Celestials really didn't bother - I don't think they even moved from where they were standing.
The one active thing a Celestial did besides raising arms and blasting, was basically when Ziran casually "grasped the Destroyer's sword-arm, freezing it in mid-arc." Had Nezzar actually deigned to do the same and prevent his arm being lopped off, I don't doubt he could have. Instead he didn't even bother, and simply regenerated the arm. Their bodies are more shells anyway.
A single Celestial could simply grab the Destroyer's sword-arm basically incapacitating it. Then subsequently blast at it until it was slag.
You guys are thinking about this in the wrong way.... Onslaught... by himself... is probably close to, if not on skyfather level... with 1 weeks time, they gather up every mutant they can, and force feed it into onslaught.
This includes michael (the guy that had the powers of all mutants) quicksilver, cyclops, bishop, storm, etc... but also the other "mutants" such as submariner, and thanos... and the list goes on... with one week time and that trio... odin poofing them all over the universe... they could turn onslaught's dials up to 12!!!!
now remembering that you can still find franklin richards.. and his sister... as mutants...
remember that onslaught was as powerful as he was... from 4 mutants... imagine what would happen if you threw the demigod thanos in there just for fun!!!... and cable and others!
That suped up onslaught should be able to hold his own....
i say nothing of winning... just standing a better chance than these other scenarios... 😄
Originally posted by rotiartOnslaught with Magneto and Xavier, was never Skyfather level. With Nate and Franklin, he still has nothing to live up to the hype of "Celestial level," that gets thrown around.
You guys are thinking about this in the wrong way.... Onslaught... by himself... is probably close to, if not on skyfather level... with 1 weeks time, they gather up every mutant they can, and force feed it into onslaught.This includes michael (the guy that had the powers of all mutants) quicksilver, cyclops, bishop, storm, etc... but also the other "mutants" such as submariner, and thanos... and the list goes on... with one week time and that trio... odin poofing them all over the universe... they could turn onslaught's dials up to 12!!!!
now remembering that you can still find franklin richards.. and his sister... as mutants...
remember that onslaught was as powerful as he was... from 4 mutants... imagine what would happen if you threw the demigod thanos in there just for fun!!!... and cable and others!
That suped up onslaught should be able to hold his own....
i say nothing of winning... just standing a better chance than these other scenarios... 😄
Outside help isn't permitted even with prep.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Onslaught with Magneto and Xavier, was never Skyfather level. With Nate and Franklin, he still has nothing to live up to the hype of "Celestial level," that gets thrown around.Outside help isn't permitted even with prep.
Well in theory he is a celestial level being not that ne ever shown anything that supported this assumption.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Odin is affraid of the Ceelstails he even bowed down to Arishem, One Celestails rapes them, knowing a Celestail would mos t likely strip Onslaught of his powers or blinking him out of exitences.
Yeah but they get a weeks prep as rotiart was saying Onslaught could absorb alot of powerful mutants to boost his power.