The State of the Sith before Bane eradicated them.

Originally posted by Light_Sith
Well, Revan still had the raw power to rule. He also had the opportunity to do so. He did not, and chose to serve the republic. Now my original point was that this takes away from his legacy as a Sith in my eyes. The second, which is open to even wider interpretation than the first, is that this made him weak (assuming he had any amount of free will left). Why weak? Well, why else would a person turn down power simply to serve? I am not sure, but perhaps he did not want to turn on his friends? Turning on your friends is not desirable, but in a case where monumental amounts of power are to be gained, it must be done.

About his mind being damaged. We are told that it is damaged, but also that it was wiped clean. Whatever the case, they wanted to use his mind to find the hidden location of the Star Forge. These must have been his own memories; otherwise he would be useless to the Jedi.

His mind is damaged, whether by the Jedi or by an injury. He still has parts of his old self in his mind however. Sure, they can make him learn the Jedi code, but can they program him like a robot? The Council were not sure, and neither am I.

Edit: My point about Bastilla claiming that the mind was too badly damaged after she had turned, suggested to me that she was not lying about it in the first place (I would have expected her to). It is not clear whether the mind was damaged due to an injury, the Jedi Council, or both.

His mind was probably damaged by both but weak? hardly Malak said on the star forge revan was stronger now then when he was the D.L.O.T.S. which means he was stronger as a post kotor jedi then his rule as the dark lord of the sith. It might take away from his sith legacy but it adds something else to his overall legacy/story. He did have a free will to chose what to do (which is why he left the galxy after kotor)but i his mind was programmed to serve the republic

Originally posted by Darth Hord
His mind was probably damaged by both but weak? hardly Malak said on the star forge revan was stronger now then when he was the D.L.O.T.S. which means he was stronger as a post kotor jedi then his rule as the dark lord of the sith. It might take away from his sith legacy but it adds something else to his overall legacy/story. He did have a free will to chose what to do (which is why he left the galxy after kotor)but i his mind was programmed to serve the republic

OK, which is why I still say that there were mitigating factors.

Malak certainly says that he is more powerful than he was when he ruled the Sith, but I took this to mean power as far as combat/force ability goes (as opposed to mentality).

That is all there is to it as far as I am concerned. He was put under heavy pressure to serve the republic, but in the end, did have a choice. Nobody can say what he was thinking for certain.

It makes for a great story, but as good a Sith Lord as a once was, and as many tricks he had up his sleeve, Bane was more of an ideal Sith in my eyes.

Originally posted by Light_Sith
OK, which is why I still say that there were mitigating factors.

Malak certainly says that he is more powerful than he was when he ruled the Sith, but I took this to mean power as far as combat/force ability goes (as opposed to mentality).

That is all there is to it as far as I am concerned. He was put under heavy pressure to serve the republic, but in the end, did have a choice. Nobody can say what he was thinking for certain.

It makes for a great story, but as good a Sith Lord as a once was, and as many tricks he had up his sleeve, Bane was more of an ideal Sith in my eyes.

I can see where u get, Bane might be an ideal sith but now a good part of his feats can be connected to knowledge to Revan which puts them in the same levels in my eyes in terms of greatness, since Revan nearly destroyed the republic but as well all know why, yet bane was able to reform the sith.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
I can see where u get, Bane might be an ideal sith but now a good part of his feats can be connected to knowledge to Revan which puts them in the same levels in my eyes in terms of greatness, since Revan nearly destroyed the republic but as well all know why, yet bane was able to reform the sith.

Fair enough.

I think that Revan would have probably bested Bane in combat, but Bane took a lot of Revan's knowledge for himself.

An interesting point is brought up in POD regarding Bane's ability (at that point). He says that poison should not be able to harm a Dark Lord, yet notes that it almost killed him.

Originally posted by Light_Sith
Fair enough.

I think that Revan would have probably bested Bane in combat, but Bane took a lot of Revan's knowledge for himself.

An interesting point is brought up in POD regarding Bane's ability (at that point). He says that poison should not be able to harm a Dark Lord, yet notes that it almost killed him.

The new book should give a good insight into how strong he becomes. I know that there is at least one other Bane source, but this does not seem to be in agreement with POD.

Hopefully the Author concentrates more on the intricate details regarding Sith rituals and the force.

I also hope that it is longer.

Originally posted by Light_Sith
The new book should give a good insight into how strong he becomes. I know that there is at least one other Bane source, but this does not seem to be in agreement with POD.

Hopefully the Author concentrates more on the intricate details regarding Sith rituals and the force.

I also hope that it is longer.

I hope that Bane lives long enough so there is a chance for Yoda to be the one who kills him. 😉