Apocalypse Gauntlet

Originally posted by batdude123
facepalm

What?

Originally posted by the ninjak
What?

He thinks that Ikaris can defeat Apocalypse.

Ignore him.

Originally posted by galactusischere
He thinks that Ikaris can defeat Apocalypse.

Ignore him.

Originally posted by batdude123
1. Apocalypse 10/10

2. Apocalypse 9-10/10

3. Apocalypse 9/10

4. This is a tough one... 5/10, maybe 6/10 for Apocalypse

5. Xavier 7-8/10

6. BB 8/10

7. Ikaris 7-8/10

8. Loki 8/10

9. HE 10/10

Originally posted by the ninjak
[QUOTE=12671620]Originally posted by xmarksthespot
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A short summary calling into question whether Apocalypse even has telepathic ability. Let alone, Xavier level telepathic ability.
And some of Xavier's telepathic feats.

My scan shows otherwise it's not that Poccy has telepathy (although he has displayed reading a person's mind before) it's that he is quite immune to it's effects. It's hard to mind punch someone when their entire body is composed of a sentient malleable form including the brain. Plus Celestial tech TP resistance. Plus WILL wise Poccy has a GOd complex and believes he is the Apocalypse and my scan showed what happens when Xavier Jean(Rachel?) and Cable all have a go at him.
Plus. I know Jean is restrained but still Poccy seemed to simply shrug her off![/B][/QUOTE] You should realise that if you read my treatise in full, debunking the notion that Apocalypse has much telepathic ability at all, that that scan is included in the deconstruction.

You should realise in the earlier scan you posted that no one attacked Apocalypse with telepathy, and that if that was a telepathic sucker punch rather than simply an energy blast - which I wholly dispute and would love to see proved as such - it is not indicative of Xavier level telepathy. And that later in The Twelve arc Jean attacks him quite successfully (although lacking the comic right now, I can't recall whether she used telepathy.)

Then later in The Search for Cyclops she easily restrains him.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/Search_for_Cyclops_n4-p20.jpg

There are two ways in which telepathy can work, they can attack the brain directly or they can attack the mind. Apocalypse being a sentient being has a mind, regardless of whether his body is techno-organic.

I'm not disputing that Apocalypse has mental defenses. Everyone has mental defenses. Wolverine has mental defenses (and strong ones at that).

That doesn't and won't protect Apocalypse or Wolverine from planetary level telepathy - which Xavier is capable of.

Originally posted by Nihilist
This

Apoc has defeated Ikaris easily before.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Apoc has defeated Ikaris easily before.

And 😂 at the easily part.

Originally posted by Nihilist
By defeated, you mean flew away.

And 😂 at the easily part.

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http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p47.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p48.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p49.jpg

Ikaris got his ass kicked, and he was the one that flew away first all wounded up and shit while Apoc flew away with a smile on his face afterwards.

Ikaris forgot he had the ability to teleport and regenerate from being atomized.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Ikaris forgot he had the ability to teleport and regenerate from being atomized.

Umm...did you see Ikaris get atomized anywhere? Did you see Apoc teleport?

Originally posted by galactusischere
Umm...did you see Ikaris get atomized anywhere? Did you see Apoc teleport?

Besides you should read the stipulations of this thread more properly. Past encounters matter naught.

Originally posted by galactusischere
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http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p47.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p48.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p49.jpg

Ikaris got his ass kicked, and he was the one that flew away first all wounded up and shit while Apoc flew away with a smile on his face afterwards.

edit: Xmarks pretty much covered what else i was gonna say.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot You should realise that if you read my treatise in full, debunking the notion that Apocalypse has much telepathic ability at all, that that scan is included in the deconstruction.

You should realise in the earlier scan you posted that no one attacked Apocalypse with telepathy, and that if that was a telepathic sucker punch rather than simply an energy blast - which I wholly dispute and would love to see proved as such - it is not indicative of Xavier level telepathy. And that later in The Twelve arc Jean attacks him quite successfully (although lacking the comic right now, I can't recall whether she used telepathy.)

Then later in The Search for Cyclops she easily restrains him.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/Search_for_Cyclops_n4-p20.jpg

But if you read my quote you would have read that I also believe Poccy doesn't have Telepathy just defences due to his God complex and biology plus celestrial tech (which is way more advanced than Genoshan tech) I did write that he has displayed mild mind reading skills before but that won't stand here.

Wasn't Jean finally being able to enter Poccy's mind due to the hardwiring assault Poccy had linked to Scott.....therefore supplying an entranceway for Jean? That was a unique situation due to their "Lover's Link". Xavier won't be able to mimic that!

Originally posted by the ninjak
But if you read my quote you would have read that I also believe Poccy doesn't have Telepathy just defences due to his God complex and biology plus celestrial tech (which is way more advanced than Genoshan tech) I did write that he has displayed mild mind reading skills before but that won't stand here.

Wasn't Jean finally being able to enter Poccy's mind due to the hardwiring assault Poccy had linked to Scott.....therefore supplying an entranceway for Jean? That was a unique situation due to their "Lover's Link". Xavier won't be able to mimic that!

Willpower can help to withstand mental assault, but only to a degree. See Storm or Wolverine or Magneto.

That doesn't mean that a psychic spear harnessing the mental energy of a planet won't crush any of those characters.

Besides, if you agree that Apocalypse lacks telepathy, how exactly does he take the majority against Charles Xavier in a telepathic battle.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Bump.

I probably could have used a better smilie, but it's a ghost and I referenced death.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I thought you died. What manner of sorcery is this? ghost2

Originally posted by the ninjak

Wasn't Jean finally being able to enter Poccy's mind due to the hardwiring assault Poccy had linked to Scott.....therefore supplying an entranceway for Jean? That was a unique situation due to their "Lover's Link". Xavier won't be able to mimic that!

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Besides, if you agree that Apocalypse lacks telepathy, how exactly does he take the majority against Charles Xavier in a telepathic battle.

Since when was this a telepathic battle? It's just a battle and Xavier loses.

Originally posted by the ninjak
You didn't answer this.

Since when was this a telepathic battle? It's just a battle and Xavier loses.

And as much as I'm aware that the only real feat of mental resilience that anyone has brought to my attention is deflecting Jean Grey's attack.

Since when is it a telepathic battle? Since I made the thread and stipulated as such in the OP.

Now, riddle me this, if Xavier can drive the thoughts of a planet into Galactus or Ego the Living Planet, or battle Dark Phoenix or the Goddess. What on Earth exactly has Apocalypse done to be given even the slightest bit of credit against him in a telepathic battle?

Oh you're right! never saw the Xavier battle being solely a TP battle, my apologise. An odd battle considering Poccy isn't really a telepath. I've only seen one showing. I thought this was a straight gauntlet. Well the scan I showed previously of Xavier and Jean being deflected could be translated as telepathic repelling or Poccy doing his famous kinetic head explosions. I say the former for kinetic explosions in skulls usually result in death. Either way an odd matchup.

If Poccy has to stand there and squint real hard. Xavier gets repelled and sooner or later may find a way in other than Jeans/Scotts link technique.
If Poccy actually got to fight back then Xavier dies.

Ikaris was still able to fight, and Apoc bfr'd himself