I'm going to roll with MJJ on this one, ultimately because he has more experience manipulating reality than Onslaught has had. They both are high end reality manipulators with no upper limit, the question would ultimately be who was better at it, and who had better showings, and that is why I think MJJ would win.
The biggest reality alternation feat Onslaught did was create a sun. If he had more time to evolve and learn to use his abilities I think that he could take a win potentially.
Originally posted by Kutulu
I'm going to roll with MJJ on this one, ultimately because he has more experience manipulating reality than Onslaught has had. They both are high end reality manipulators with no upper limit, the question would ultimately be who was better at it, and who had better showings, and that is why I think MJJ would win.The biggest reality alternation feat Onslaught did was create a sun. If he had more time to evolve and learn to use his abilities I think that he could take a win potentially.
Wasnt that after he absorbed Nate and Franklin, if so that doesnt count.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Wasnt that after he absorbed Nate and Franklin, if so that doesnt count.
That's what I was going by.
Why doesn't it count? Since original post didn't specify, I went by the last incarnation of Onslaught, where he was capable of creating another sun within the solar system that housed Earth.
Originally posted by KutuluExcept thats not that last/most current incarnation of Onslaught.
That's what I was going by.Why doesn't it count? Since original post didn't specify, I went by the last incarnation of Onslaught, where he was capable of creating another sun within the solar system that housed Earth.
Originally posted by llagrok
This is pretty much universal scale power meets planetary scale power.
Jaspers' Warp was only able to reach a Universal scale because he was stopped
by his (Plot Device) Fury,
before his Warp could spread further into the entire Omniverse.
That's his powerset, it's not a matter of choice,
Jaspers' Warp automatically expands exponentially across all Realities if left unchecked.
BTW. Jaspers was equal to or more powerful than Merlyn.
Merlyn has Omniversal feats.
So it doesn't always come down to who has a greater scale of influence,
because apparently, one can be all powerful within the range of influence one controls.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Onslaught at full potential would get curbstomped every single time by Jaspers.Stomped.
I would argue that since their is no stipulations,and the match starts even and fair....Onslaughts Telepathy is the winner here,i have seen enough threads that have the quickdraw style and winners are apparent seeing their powerset.
Jaspers-Reality control universal(omniversle)....
Onslaught-reality control(planetary),Telepathy,Telekinesis,Magnetic controll, Psi Armor,Astral projection and many powers that acompany psionics...mental control,intangibility(phasing)precognition, etc...
All Onslaught needs to do is make Jaspers think he won and leave the field of battle on his own...and many other ways to deafeat jaspers...this is not a fight to the death
But its my opinion and i respect everyone's view
Originally posted by Mr Master
Jaspers' Warp was only able to reach a Universal scale because he was stopped
by his (Plot Device) Fury,
before his Warp could spread further into the entire Omniverse.That's his powerset, it's not a matter of choice,
Jaspers' Warp automatically expands exponentially across all Realities if left unchecked.
BTW. Jaspers was equal to or more powerful than Merlyn.
Merlyn has Omniversal feats.
So it doesn't always come down to who has a greater scale of influence,
because apparently, one can be all powerful within the range of influence one controls.
Wow, that is just wow.
Originally posted by starlock
Onslaughts Telepathy is the winner here,i have seen enough threads that have the quickdraw style and winners are apparent seeing their powerset.
No way.
Originally posted by starlock
Jaspers-Reality control universal(omniversle)....Onslaught-reality control(planetary),Telepathy,Telekinesis,Magnetic controll, Psi Armor,Astral projection and many powers that acompany psionics...mental control,intangibility(phasing)precognition, etc...
Merlyn (Omniversal power) had all those abilities and more,
and still couldn't stop Jaspers.
Originally posted by starlock
All Onslaught needs to do is make Jaspers think he won and leave the field of battle on his own...
Jaspers can't be mindraped.
Jaspers is in control of all Reality within him and outside him,
this control continuously grows ever outward.
Originally posted by starlock
and many other ways to deafeat jaspers...
I disagree.
Jaspers was completely unstoppable. (Merlyn couldn't)
Merlyn>to Infinity>Onslaught
Only his Plot Device (Fury) was able to stop him. (Un-Space)
But then again, Mr. Master, although I agree that MJJ would take this, but still, shouldn't be Franklin Richards potential greater than MJJ, since he is an omega mutant and MJJ is not.
About FR at full potential being equal to a Celestial, I really think that is underestimating FR power, he should go far and far beyond Celestial.
I'd go with Jaspers.
Jasper's doesn't need to be labeled as Omega to be as powerful as one, if not moreso. That label is pretty meaningless. Elixir is an Omega and I'd take many "Alpha" level mutants over him in a fight. Vulcan is a supposed beyond omega mutant and he got chin checked by Gladiator.
Jasper's would pwn all 3 (Vulcan, Elixir, Gladiator) simultaneously with little effort. You could up the stakes and Jaspers would still come out on top.
Originally posted by Xplosive
But then again, Mr. Master, although I agree that MJJ would take this, but still, shouldn't be Franklin Richards potential greater than MJJ, since he is an omega mutant and MJJ is not.About FR at full potential being equal to a Celestial, I really think that is underestimating FR power, he should go far and far beyond Celestial.
His potential is unlimited, but that doesn't mean he would ever reach celestial level. Not that any celestial is comparable to MJJ for that matter.