Black Adam vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Larceny
Nod, shut up.

Like you and many others, I don't throw out showings because they support my argument, imo if it's canon it's applicable. PIS is mostly abused by poor debaters who don't have skill enough to defend their stances without picking and choosing showings.

I'm not arguing that hes a poor debater but it also can be used for good debaters when they're right.

So your honestly saying there's no PIS in that fight? WW gets punched around by Superman, helps pull the Earth but can still get a beating by Deathstroke.

If your really using that fight then you have become the poor debater. 😬

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well her's something to chew on, IF superman on his own can give BA a challenge, according to BA's own gods, and BA trashed the JSA in ww3 with no powerup, then that means superman>>>JSA. Now, When the JSA and JLA fought despero, was superman doing any better thananyone else?

I agree. Superman if written as an enraged beast as Adam was in WW3, would produce similar results. He's the flagship character of DC comics, I'd expect nothing less.

Didn't Mary say she has the power of BA and Isis I don't remember when and I don't feel like looking for it lol?

Originally posted by D-Block
Didn't Mary say she has the power of BA and Isis?

Yep and theres more proof but Larceny disagrees because it takes away something from classic BA.

Originally posted by Larceny
I agree. Superman if written as an enraged beast as Adam was in WW3, would produce similar results. He's the flagship character of DC comics, I'd expect nothing less.

No. SBP was prettymuch doing everything BA was doing, and Superman couldn't get the drop on SBP. nuff said.

Originally posted by Nod
Wow one step below Nver there.

I'm not arguing that hes a poor debater but it also can be used for good debaters when they're right.

So your honestly saying there's no PIS in that fight? WW gets punched around by Superman, helps pull the Earth but can still get a beating by Deathstroke.

If your really using that fight then you have become the poor debater. 😬

Then that would place you where?

No, PIS is generally abused by poor debaters who are incapable of defending their stances without discounting certain instances in the characters history they're incapable of refuting.

It wasn't a fight. Her lasso didn't work because he knew who he was and what he does. You can't reveal something to someone that's already known.

It's called inconsistencies, comic are full of them. It's not PIS, it's simply different writers opinions on different characters.

It's not a fight. It's an instance in which her lasso didn't work because she attempted to use it on someone who already knew who and what they were.

Am I supposed to be offended?

Originally posted by D-Block
Didn't Mary say she has the power of BA and Isis I don't remember when and I don't feel like looking for it lol?

Yes she did, hence the reason I don't know why everyone believes Adam had a power up.

Originally posted by Nod
Yep and theres more proof but Larceny disagrees because it takes away something from classic BA.

I don't understand why I think normal BA would beat WW that's the only BA I've been talking about everytime I comment in this thread. It would be a good fight I think. WW is a better match for the Marvels than Superman due to the lasso and no magical weakness.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. SBP was prettymuch doing everything BA was doing, and Superman couldn't get the drop on SBP. nuff said.

You asked about Superman, not SBP. 😕

Originally posted by Larceny
Yes she did, hence the reason I don't know why everyone believes Adam had a power up.

Because BA gave Mary her powers he had to have both to give both away.

Originally posted by D-Block
Because BA gave Mary her powers.

As he gave Isis hers.

Originally posted by Larceny
As he gave Isis hers.

No. BA didn't give Isis her powers out of his own. But BA did give mary her powers. So when Mary says she has BA and Isis's powers, then that would mean BA HAD isis powers as well.

Originally posted by Larceny
As he gave Isis hers.

Oh I see.Are you saying that Isis powers were back in the amulet when he gave them to Mary?

Originally posted by D-Block
Oh I see.Are you saying that Isis powers were back in the amulet when he gave them to Mary?

I don't wish to speculate on it. I honestly don't know. However there is a Black Adam mini currently in in the running that may provide some answers.

Isis only granted power over the elements, and Adam never displayed power over the elements.

Mary was given Isis and Adam's power, hence the reason she has upgrades in strength durability, speed, etc, and control over the elements. Control Adam never displayed.

Due to this:

"No God nor Mortal may ever break its bonds"
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww2lassoorigin13qz.jpg
http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww2lassoorigin21vc.jpg

I consider the Deathstroke scan above as PIS.

I guess its debatable whether or not the scan is PIS, but IMO it is.

Originally posted by spidermonkey
Due to this:

"No God nor Mortal may ever break its bonds"
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww2lassoorigin13qz.jpg
http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww2lassoorigin21vc.jpg

I consider the Deathstroke scan above as PIS.

I guess its debatable whether or not the scan is PIS, but IMO it is.

That right there my friends is why character statements don't hold weight in debate. 🙂

Originally posted by D-Block
I don't understand why I think normal BA would beat WW that's the only BA I've been talking about everytime I comment in this thread. It would be a good fight I think. WW is a better match for the Marvels than Superman due to the lasso and no magical weakness.

That's pretty much where I'm at too if I had to make a choice. This whole WWIII did/ did not have a power up thing is besides the point.

Against classic BA, with her magic devices, I give her in the general range of 2-3 out of 10 because she would manage to lasso him at least some of the time and she only has to hold him long enough to ask him what word makes him change to Teth Adam. He then is compelled to give the answer truthfully. Then she knocks out Teth Adam. But lassoing somebody in the middle of a fight isn't easy.

Without her magic devices, I'd give him 8 or 9 out of 10. They are both highly skilled. I just figure that once out of ten fights, she might nail him with a kick to you know where. 😘 I'm sure she's strong enough that he won't laugh that off. But I think 90% of the time, he'd beat her without her accessories.

Originally posted by Larceny
That right there my friends is why character statements don't hold weight in debate. 🙂

But the lasso working on beings far superior to Deathstroke do hold weight.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But the lasso working on beings far superior to Deathstroke do hold weight.

Whether or not you're capable of freeing yourself of the lasso isn't dependent upon your level.

Originally posted by Larceny
That right there my friends is why character statements don't hold weight in debate. 🙂

Then they don't hold weights in respect threads either. Like you done earlier. 🙂