Originally posted by TricksterPriestgo read the hunger. surfer would literally destroy orion. its a curbstomp, orion cant compete with superman either for the most part. surfer beats this superman as well. but it would be much closer.
I give Orion a solid majority over Surfer.And minus matter manip/energy control, I'd say Surfer is in trouble against Superman.
Originally posted by illadelph12👆
Either part. Just elaborate and substantiate if you could. It's kind of vague to say "A motherbox is a plot device" when the exact same could be said of Magic, GL/Sinestro Rings, the Power Cosmic, Mjolnir, Quantum Bands, Nega Bands, and Batman's Utility Belt.The Power Cosmic has always been able to do whatever the plot dictated. All things comics are plot driven. That's a hollow statement Trick, and we both know you can do better.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Either part. Just elaborate and substantiate if you could. It's kind of vague to say "A motherbox is a plot device" when the exact same could be said of Magic, GL/Sinestro Rings, the Power Cosmic, Mjolnir, Quantum Bands, Nega Bands, and Batman's Utility Belt.The Power Cosmic has always been able to do whatever the plot dictated. All things comics are plot driven. That's a hollow statement Trick, and we both know you can do better.
Point. It was a cheap shot. 😉 But Motherboxes have: healed wounds, revived the dead, opened boom tubes, powered up individuals, channeled and manipulated energies, interfaced with and upgraded human and alien technologies, communicated with the source, telepathically communicated, some time dilation I believe, created weapons and items out of thing air, etc.
So really, it is alot like a GL ring in that it can do whatever the hell the person using it wants. 😛
Originally posted by Surfer's Rules
It suddenly becomes so clear. In a non-canon crossover Surfer wiped his butt with Orion. He really has nothing for Surfer if you look at it logically. Faster, more powerful, can turn him into a snickers, although the fight's over so quickly he won't need it.
Orion is at least Surfer's equal.
Originally posted by long pigorion isnt even supermans equal. orion would go down in flames to surfer. supes would beat him to. orion isnt a joke but he cant hang with either of these two.
Oh please. That not so canon comic was just that. Not canon. As in the "Do not base claims on me" type.Orion is at least Surfer's equal.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestwhoopty doo. superman has kicked ds ass multiple times while orion loses to ds waving his hand. orion is pathetic anymore. surfer would crush orion.
And btw, Circe (DC version) tried to matter manip Orion, and she failed. She's a skyfather level sorceress who busted up the Greek Pantheon.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Point. It was a cheap shot. 😉 But Motherboxes have: healed wounds, revived the dead, opened boom tubes, powered up individuals, channeled and manipulated energies, interfaced with and upgraded human and alien technologies, communicated with the source, telepathically communicated, some time dilation I believe, created weapons and items out of thing air, etc.So really, it is alot like a GL ring in that it can do whatever the hell the person using it wants. 😛
You do realize that the PC has done all of the above as well, minus the Source communication and Boomtubes (which are DC specific feats), right Trickster?
And are we talking standard motherboxes (not Genesis, Father, or Grandmother Boxes) independently performing these feats, or a character's own abilities enhanced via Motherbox performing these feats?
Originally posted by quanchi112
orion isnt even supermans equal. orion would go down in flames to surfer. supes would beat him to. orion isnt a joke but he cant hang with either of these two.
I don't foresee Sups or Surf taking a full astro force blast and surviving. I mean, it's matched the power of a blast that was capable of destroying the universe.
Originally posted by long pigur exaggerating a guy who loses to darkseids handwaving in countdown. hes someone who is only alive becuz ds spared him so many times. supes puts him in the source wall while orion gets hand waved into submission. there is no possible way to compare orion to superman. superman has him beat in all respects.
He's Superman's superior in everything but possibly speed. And even that is in question when you take into account his higher speed feats.I don't foresee Sups or Surf taking a full astro force blast and surviving. I mean, it's matched the power of a blast that was capable of destroying the universe.
Originally posted by illadelph12u raise some good points. the power cosmic especially used through the silver surfer is pretty amazing. when surfer isnt holding back he literally tears into badasses. he can destroy planets. power cosmic is no joke.
You do realize that the PC has done all of the above as well, minus the Source communication and Boomtubes (which are DC specific feats), right Trickster?And are we talking standard motherboxes (not Genesis, Father, or Grandmother Boxes) independently performing these feats, or a character's own abilities enhanced via Motherbox performing these feats?
Originally posted by quanchi112
ur exaggerating a guy who loses to darkseids handwaving in countdown. hes someone who is only alive becuz ds spared him so many times. supes puts him in the source wall while orion gets hand waved into submission. there is no possible way to compare orion to superman. superman has him beat in all respects.
He can trap you in a tractor beam and it's over. No counter against it. He's Superman's superior in damn near everything.
Originally posted by illadelph12isn't a father box just the apokolips equivalent of a motherbox?
You do realize that the PC has done all of the above as well, minus the Source communication and Boomtubes (which are DC specific feats), right Trickster?And are we talking standard motherboxes (not Genesis, Father, or Grandmother Boxes) independently performing these feats, or a character's own abilities enhanced via Motherbox performing these feats?
Originally posted by long pigi suggest reading apokolips now. then get back to me about ur theory of superman always needed a power up.
Superman never legitimately beat DS without a power-up. Orion needs no such power-up.He can trap you in a tractor beam and it's over. No counter against it. He's Superman's superior in damn near everything.
Originally posted by quanchi112i suggest that you get a new piece of evidence to show Supes supposed superiority to DS. that book is crap. DS has beaten Supes in 3 hits before easily. and easily held him down like a child.
i suggest reading apokolips now. then get back to me about ur theory of superman always needed a power up.
Originally posted by Superherovandalok then go read the batman superman arc where ds winds up in the source wall. superman really crushes him in that story also.
i suggest that you get a new piece of evidence to show Supes supposed superiority to DS. that book is crap. DS has beaten Supes in 3 hits before easily. and easily held him down like a child.
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Originally posted by quanchi112You'd better go read the comic...
ok then go read the batman superman arc where ds winds up in the source wall. superman really crushes him in that story also.😆
Originally posted by Tyrantyeah they obviously set ds up. they knew his dumbass was going to show. so not only did the march to his own planet and take supergirl they tricked his ass into showing up while his omega didnt kill supergirl either. ds looked so bad in this story. he was owned on his own planet. nice job batman. way to punk ds. then they fooled ds into showing up and getting taken to the sun then to the source wall. supes kicked his ass.
You'd better go read the comic...
Because Darkseid was handing Superman his ass, before Wonder Woman came out of nowhere with her bands, and deflected his OE back at his face.