Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
does that mean that Odin is also higher than say, Mistress Love or Master Hate since both lack on-panel feats?barring shitty writing, Onslaught takes this...
Sorry but there is a little difference wouldn't you say between a Abstract being that maintain a balance in the universe and are in definition up around Eternity in power and was capable of affecting Thanos W/IG, and a being manifested from Charles Xaviars dark personality 😬.
This is different here we have a skyfather with On Panel feats vs A being also with On Panel feats, feats that lead us to assume that Odin would be above Onslaught. This isn't as much speculation as say Galactus vs a Celestial because there we have practically no usefull information to make a accurate assumption, because we lack good feats shown by the Celestials and Galactus doing the same thing, such a Thread is speculation. This on the other hand were both have a good potion of On Panel feats we can easily IMO jugde how would emerge victorious. We have Odin warping a Galaxy with the Odinforce, while we have Onslaught creating a sun.
BTW what makes you think Onslaught takes this 😕
Originally posted by Utrigita
BTW what makes you think Onslaught takes this
Probably due to the powers he had, but never used them.
Still, Onslaught did defeat Phoenix Force, which is far beyond Odin.
Still, Phoenix Force is more powerful than all the power Onslaught had combined.
But Odin power we know are bellow that of Franklin Richards.
And if Onslaught had his power, we know what he is capable of and FR has some high feats and is mentioned by Celestial as their equal.
So why can't we also take Franklin Richards feats, because it was mentioned more times that Onslaught had their full powers through the series (but of course didn't use them to their full capacity, not even of FR or X-Man).
And he had more than just FR power.
It looked like even the Watcher Uatu was afraid of his full power.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Probably due to the powers he had, but never used them.
Still, Onslaught did defeat Phoenix Force, which is far beyond Odin.Still, Phoenix Force is more powerful than all the power Onslaught had combined.
But Odin power we know are bellow that of Franklin Richards.
And if Onslaught had his power, we know what he is capable of and FR has some high feats and is mentioned by Celestial as their equal.
So why can't we also take Franklin Richards feats, because it was mentioned more times that Onslaught had their full powers through the series (but of course didn't use them to their full capacity, not even of FR or X-Man).
And he had more than just FR power.It looked like even the Watcher Uatu was afraid of his full power.
Yeah.........that's another thing. A couple of Onslaught's feats are really......iffy......if not outright crap. Like pulling the Cyttorak gem out of Juggernaut or beating the Phoenix force. Though that last one is more likely Phoenix doing what it does best, jobbing for the loss. 😛
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Yeah.........that's another thing. A couple of Onslaught's feats are really......iffy......if not outright crap. Like pulling the Cyttorak gem out of Juggernaut or beating the Phoenix force. Though that last one is more likely Phoenix doing what it does best, jobbing for the loss. 😛
Beating the Phoenix, I find awkward, doing what he did to Juggernaut and knowing how powerful Onslaught was, that wasn't so surprising.
He practically beat whole Earth on his own.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Sorry but there is a little difference wouldn't you say between a Abstract being that maintain a balance in the universe and are in definition up around Eternity in power and was capable of affecting Thanos W/IG, and a being manifested from Charles Xaviars dark personality 😬.
comparison is beside the point, it is more in the application of the way you made the statement...
despite the lack of feats you yourself are in agreement that Onslaught's powerlevels are beyond Odin in theory...
and why not, with an amalgamation of powers ranging from the world's most prominent telepath, a person who can control the whole EM spectrum, and two omega mutants, one of whom is destined to surpass skyfather status...
with a limited appearance and an uber myriad of abilities, who's to say that aforementioned instances such as those concerning Juggernaut and Phoenix are PIS?............and who could forget Onslaught Hulk...
and on that last note, i'm gonna take the easy route despite feats, blame it on shitty writing... 😄
i get your point though about the feats, and per forum rules, Onslaught still takes this imo...
Originally posted by Xplosive
Probably due to the powers he had, but never used them.
Still, Onslaught did defeat Phoenix Force, which is far beyond Odin.Still, Phoenix Force is more powerful than all the power Onslaught had combined.
But Odin power we know are bellow that of Franklin Richards.
And if Onslaught had his power, we know what he is capable of and FR has some high feats and is mentioned by Celestial as their equal.
So why can't we also take Franklin Richards feats, because it was mentioned more times that Onslaught had their full powers through the series (but of course didn't use them to their full capacity, not even of FR or X-Man).
And he had more than just FR power.It looked like even the Watcher Uatu was afraid of his full power.
Thats exactly it he never used any of the powers.
Onslaught defeated a astral projection of the Phoenix force.
If he had the full power then he wasn't really good at using it 😬 IMO
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
comparison is beside the point, it is more in the application of the way you made the statement...despite the lack of feats you yourself are in agreement that Onslaught's powerlevels are beyond Odin in theory...
and why not, with an amalgamation of powers ranging from the world's most prominent telepath, a person who can control the whole EM spectrum, and two omega mutants, one of whom is destined to surpass skyfather status...
with a limited appearance and an uber myriad of abilities, who's to say that aforementioned instances such as those concerning Juggernaut and Phoenix are PIS?............and who could forget Onslaught Hulk...
and on that last note, i'm gonna take the easy route despite feats, blame it on shitty writing... 😄
i get your point though about the feats, and per forum rules, Onslaught still takes this imo...
Okay 👆 its your own decision in the last end.
Onslaught wins.
Let's take none of Onslaught's feats into consideration, and how about we call them all shitty writing.
Now, instead we use theories about how powerful Onslaught should have been given what he had, and ignore things like him getting cracked open by Cyke, and a minor blast from Thor.
Great logic indeed.
Onslaught equals Celestial + Dark Phoenix + Magneto/Xavier.
Onslaught wins.
I mean, remember when Onslaught one punched Hulk, and was able to one-shot all the heroes?
And, exactly like a Celestial, he was able to completely ignore all the Earth heroes, since he's that powerful!
Onslaught threads, in my opinion are a joke when people start writing him off to be more than he was shown to be.
I mean, what an inconsistent character, when all the theories of his powers, go against what he was shown to do!
Plus, didn't Onslaught snuff out the Force, only in Jean's mind?
Originally posted by Tyrant
Onslaught wins.Let's take none of Onslaught's feats into consideration, and how about we call them all shitty writing.
Now, instead we use theories about how powerful Onslaught should have been given what he had, and ignore things like him getting cracked open by Cyke, and a minor blast from Thor.
Great logic indeed.Onslaught equals Celestial + Dark Phoenix + Magneto/Xavier.
Onslaught wins.
I mean, remember when Onslaught one punched Hulk, and was able to one-shot all the heroes?
And, exactly like a Celestial, he was able to completely ignore all the Earth heroes, since he's that powerful!Onslaught threads, in my opinion are a joke when people start writing him off to be more than he was shown to be.
I mean, what an inconsistent character, when all the theories of his powers, go against what he was shown to do!Plus, didn't Onslaught snuff out the Force, only in Jean's mind?
i believe we are talking it into consideration but I isn't finding anything that makes me go all wild about his powerset.
Nate Grey doesn't equals Dark Phoenix and the Celestials believed that Franklin would have the potential to have power rivalling there own.
And you believe that Odin would give a shit about being attacked by the heroes???
He is indeed writing of to be more then he can.
Yes only in her mind.
Originally posted by UtrigitaSo, we should take into consideration what he should be, and not what he is?
i believe we are talking it into consideration but I isn't finding anything that makes me go all wild about his powerset.Nate Grey doesn't equals Dark Phoenix and the Celestials believed that Franklin would have the potential to have power rivalling there own.
And you believe that Odin would give a shit about being attacked by the heroes???
He is indeed writing of to be more then he can.
Yes only in her mind.
Nate Grey has been said to rival Dark Phoenix.
Not at all. Just saying how about every feat of Onslaught's contradicts the theories of his power.
The weird thing is, that no one takes Odin's feats into consideration...
Like his other half (that he one-shotted when he gained control), causing damage to every planet.
Or, Odin creating suns in his battle with I believe Forsung, and traversing across the entire universe as well, in that battle.
Etc, etc.
Oh well, Onslaught was an inconsistent character, because theories don't match up with his on-panel appearances...
Logic = pwned!
Originally posted by Tyrant
So, we should take into consideration what he should be, and not what he is?Nate Grey has been said to rival Dark Phoenix.
Not at all. Just saying how about every feat of Onslaught's contradicts the theories of his power.
The weird thing is, that no one takes Odin's feats into consideration...
Like his other half (that he one-shotted when he gained control), causing damage to every planet.
Or, Odin creating suns in his battle with I believe Forsung, and traversing across the entire universe as well, in that battle.
Etc, etc.
Oh well, Onslaught was an inconsistent character, because theories don't match up with his on-panel appearances...Logic = pwned!
No we shouldn't take it into consideration but sometimes like it happened in the Galactus vs Onslaught Thread its okay to speculate what he could have done, but as I have said earlier the actual Onslaught the displayed in comic didn't impresse me.
Well his levels where measured by Moire machine and she said that the only time she could remember it going to high was the Dark Phoenix but we have to accept that the machine have limits like say 1000 but Nate Grey is 2000 and Dark Phoenix is 2.000.000. it would give the same result because the machine gives the same result above 1000.
True.
Well I argue for Odin.
Originally posted by XplosiveSurely you jest, son...Doom was not afraid. He aligned himself with the heroes for the sole purpose of capitalizing on the carnage left behind by Onslaught's eventual demise.
Doom was afraid of him. That is why he joined heroes to stop the Onslaught.
BTW, Odin takes this cause the vast majority of Onslaught's power isn't even his own.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Probably due to the powers he had, but never used them.
Still, Onslaught did defeat Phoenix Force, which is far beyond Odin.Still, Phoenix Force is more powerful than all the power Onslaught had combined.
But Odin power we know are bellow that of Franklin Richards.
And if Onslaught had his power, we know what he is capable of and FR has some high feats and is mentioned by Celestial as their equal.
So why can't we also take Franklin Richards feats, because it was mentioned more times that Onslaught had their full powers through the series (but of course didn't use them to their full capacity, not even of FR or X-Man).
And he had more than just FR power.It looked like even the Watcher Uatu was afraid of his full power.
This is how people get confused...and this is how people see misleading scans and jump to conclusions...
Onslaught never fought the phoenix force period!!!!!!
Onslaught was in jeans mind trying to get her to unlock the secrets of the phoenix force .
now we will have another 10 posters claiming onslaught defeated the phoenix
Odin wins