Superman vs Lucifer Morningstar

Lucifer Morningstar has taken on the challenge of finally defeating Superman completely and once and for all. However since it would be to easy to simply use his powers to end him, he's vowed to do it without his abilities and using only his cunning and deceptive skills to any means he see fit.

Can he break the icon without the direct use of his power?

He manipulates every demon in hell, to kill everyone who is/or has ever been close to Superman.
Starting at Jimmy Olsen, and ending at Lois.

No power involved, since everyone fears, and respects Lucifer there. Why question him?

Originally posted by Entity
Lucifer Morningstar has taken on the challenge of finally defeating Superman completely and once and for all. However since it would be to easy to simply use his powers to end him, he's vowed to do it without his abilities and using only his cunning and deceptive skills to any means he see fit.

Can he break the icon without the direct use of his power?

Supes is going to wish he was dead several times over before Lucifer gets through with him.

hang

Depends on the writer 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Astner
Depends on the writer 😖hifty:

not an argument. everything depends on the writer, its a given.

Lucifer. Easy.

Lucifer is beyond the Source and even challenges the Presence if he so chooses. He would kill Superman by setting up a chain of events that would lead to his death, at the end of a very long and tortured path.

This is a story I would love to read. Not just because I hate Superman but because I'd love to see how he would fight someone he couldn't beat that isn't really attacking him physically in anyway. Actually I love seeing this kind of story with any hero. Its a big part of why I loved Identity Crisis so much.

Also I think its a big part of why I love Slade so much. I like villains that are allot more mind games than brute fighting.

Originally posted by Entity
This is a story I would love to read. Not just because I hate Superman but because I'd love to see how he would fight someone he couldn't beat that isn't really attacking him physically in anyway. Actually I love seeing this kind of story with any hero. Its a big part of why I loved Identity Crisis so much.

Mxy coudl do this if a writer with a clue wrote him. Joker did this to batman when he had mxy's power. It was insane what he put him thru.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Mxy coudl do this if a writer with a clue wrote him. Joker did this to batman when he had mxy's power. It was insane what he put him thru.

Archangel Michael steps in and says "Clark, I'll take this one for you-you're too important in the grand scheme."

Presence steps in*
- If Superman dies, DC dies, if DC dies I die.
- You shall not pass!

Originally posted by Astner
Presence steps in*
- If Superman dies, DC dies, if DC dies I die.
- You shall not pass!

Naw. Excluding divine intervention Supes is royally screwed. Lucifers on the pedestal when it comes to this.

Originally posted by Entity
Can he break the icon without the direct use of his power?

He could probably manipulate tons of gods and cosmic entities to kill him

Originally posted by Endless Mike
He could probably manipulate tons of gods and cosmic entities to kill him

I didn't mean with any kind of powers, just by tricking them or negotiating with them. He has lots of connections.

Joker almost broke Supes. Imagine what Lucifer will do. Poor Kal-El.

Well I really don't want him to use any powers. Especially godly ones. Not even by just manipulating others to use them for him. I want to know if he can screw up Clark's life with only human means and his skill.