Time Keepers vs Merlyn vs Beyonder(current) vs Vangaard

hmm

Vanguard from Image?

Originally posted by guy222

1. Merlyn
2. Time Keepers (using their Forever Crystal)
3. Vangaard
4. Beyonder (current)

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
Vanguard from Image?

From Fantastic Force

Originally posted by guy222
From Fantastic Force

Merlyn wins

wavey

Merlyn FTW

Merlyn for the win.

Btw master out of interest, why do you place the Time keepers above Vangaard?

Originally posted by Utrigita

Btw master out of interest, why do you place the Time keepers above Vangaard?

In actuality, these beings are a sleeping giant in Marvel.

I've since learned they wiped out countless realities once in a few seconds,
they were the ones that authorized Uatu's ability to view all timelines,
they have absolute sovereignty over the time stream,
they're influence/command over time is so incontrovertible,
that not even the LT has authority over them. (they claim)

But it may be true,
cause they are to be the last survivors of everything, as in everything,
and this is a fact, cause the last member of the TVA witnessed this by peering into the future,
in fact,
it's in their destiny to shape the next reality. (Marvelverse)

I'm going to continue to read up on the rest of their seldom appearances,
see if I can get a few more juicy details.

But these cats are no joke.

Sleeping giants indeed a few questions though.

I thought it was a commen ability among the watchers that they could watch more then one reality at the time?

I find it hard to believe that they is above LT's judgement so far no being has been (that LT has been powerless against Thanos with the heart and Protege is another side of the story) more likely they maintain some kind of agreement with him, they erased as you said yourself countless realities obviously they serve some purpose just like the Organization that watches the entire marvel omniverse. from my point of view LT steps in when there is no other that can correct the inbalance, just a theory master.

Marvel needs to feature the Time Keepers more

Originally posted by Utrigita

I thought it was a commen ability among the watchers
that they could watch more then one reality at the time?

We learn as we go. 🙂

What I didn't know
was that Uatu actually vouches the story
of them being the last beings that outlast the end of everything:

I also didn't know
they can take away the Watchers' ability to continue with their purpose.

Thanx for making me flip some pages, I'm learning over here too. 👆

Originally posted by Utrigita

I find it hard to believe that they is above LT's judgement so far no being has been (that LT has been powerless against Thanos with the heart and Protege is another side of the story) more likely they maintain some kind of agreement with him

As you know,
all Conceptual abstract embodiments are outside the LT's authority.

They're not = or more powerful than LT,
but LT can't interfere with their purpose of existence.

This is why cats like Abraxas & Entropy are permitted to wipe out Reality.

Originally posted by Utrigita

they erased as you said yourself countless realities obviously they serve some purpose just like the Organization that watches the entire marvel omniverse.

Originally posted by Utrigita

from my point of view
LT steps in when there is no other that can correct the inbalance,
just a theory master.

The Time Keepers < Akhenaton:

See them trapped in the orb full of Akhenaton's time traveling enemies?

Originally posted by Galan007

The Time Keepers < Akhenaton:

See them trapped in the orb full of Akhenaton's time traveling enemies?

Ak was tapping the power of God.

That's a whole other ball game.
(although Ak now exists as a harmless butterfly) 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ok. I knew that but, no one mentioned Ak good friend.

Ak was tapping the power of God.

That's a whole other ball game.

imo, LT > Akhenaton > TK'ers. Yes? No?

Originally posted by Galan007

Ohh, I agree (just trying to gauge them). 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007

imo, LT > Akhenaton > TK'ers. Yes? No?

Imo I stated that the LT should be above the TK in power,
just that he simply has no authority over them.
But that's inconsequential cause they will never have a reason to quarrel,
both have designated set duties which serve reality.

But this is juicy,
was LT above Ak?

To be honest, I'm not sure, darn, I've never given that one thought.
Ak seemed all powerful,
all powerful even though he was just tapping the power.
As we know only a merged Thanos proved greater.

hmm ...

I'm left at hmm ...

I'm lost for words .. good one G, real good.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But this is juicy,
was LT above Ak?

To be honest, I'm not sure, darn, I've never given that one thought.
Ak seemed all powerful,
all powerful even though he was just tapping the power.
As we know only a merged Thanos proved greater.

hmm ...

I'm left at hmm ...

I'm lost for words .. good one G, real good.

Originally posted by Galan007

I'm somewhat torn there as well.

Was he tapping enough of it though?

That's the 64,000$ question,
then again, does it matter,
considering it's God's power?

Not imo ... so I'll say (although without absoluteness) he was > LT.

Originally posted by Galan007

I only put LT higher because I don't recall Akhenaton beating a character =/> Eternity. *shrug*

He didn't destroy them cause as you know, that wasn't his mission,
he actually wanted to bring his notion of peace to all reality,
but with an iron hand.

I would put LT above AK and TK

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well he blinded Eternity and Infinity effortlessly,
(not necessarily to hurt them though)
and there was nothing they could do about it, Chaos & Order were also helpless,
so he was definitely above them all.

He didn't destroy them cause as you know, that wasn't his mission,
he actually wanted to bring his notion of peace to all reality,
but with an iron hand.

Originally posted by guy222

I would put LT above AK

The next step was merging, which Thanos did.