Query: Why are animals regarded more highly in some respects than humans?

Started by BobbyD12 pages
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Well I don’t see humans having souls either; it’s a religious thing in my opinion. Most people that would torture and animal will do the same to humans down the road.

Bingo! That's exactly my point. (except for the soul part).

W/o a regard for the sanctity of any life, then what is thought of when it comes to human life?

There is sufficient evidence and many studies that have shown that brutality of animals also means that there is reason to believe that violent behavior towards humans is present in that same person's life.

Originally posted by BobbyD
W/o a regard for the sanctity of any life, then what is thought of when it comes to human life?

There is sufficient evidence and many studies that have shown that brutality of animals also means that there is reason to believe that violent behavior towards humans is present in that same person's life.

Umm.... No! Cosmetics companies do it so people aren't hurt by cosmetics, as do drug companies. Are you saying the testers go home and put potentially hazardous materials on their families?

Originally posted by Yo Mom loves it
Umm.... No! Cosmetics companies do it so people aren't hurt by cosmetics, as do drug companies. Are you saying the testers go home and put potentially hazardous materials on their families?

Forget the cosmetics companies example. That is one small subset in the whole picture.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Forget the cosmetics companies example. That is one small subset in the whole picture.

I bet drugs companies, labs and cosmetic companies torture more animals than anyone outside of Abbatoirs. Damn I love eating animals! I need a Pork Chop about now. I might go fishing or Rabbiting this week.

tasty...

animals_bunny1

I don't have a problem with you or animal consuming an animal.

Originally posted by BobbyD
I don't have a problem with you or animal consuming an animal.

These Beagles get free smokes! They look happy.

There is a difference between what drug and cosmetic companies do in their testing compared to beating a cat or dog with a stick. It also depends on what you would consider torture, most animals that are for testing also are given pain medication to there is no needless suffering and many of the tests that are done are not done to cause pain.

Animals have been respected by the Indians long ago. They believed that without animals such as the Buffalo they would die. And sometimes they could tame wolves who would help them in hunting (maybe) and protect them. Some Indian cultures even believed that an Eagle represented God. So they had a great respect for other creatures. It's no suprise to me that animals would be treated with the same respect as people are today. Today when someone has an animal, they become a member of the family.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
There is a difference between what drug and cosmetic companies do in their testing compared to beating a cat or dog with a stick. It also depends on what you would consider torture, most animals that are for testing also are given pain medication to there is no needless suffering and many of the tests that are done are not done to cause pain.

Not really, Universities open up mice and pump food additives in them whilst conscious to test physilogical effects for ubdergraduates all the time. No pain medication is given. You can't tell me that doesn't hurt the mice?

Most people that would torture and animal will do the same to humans down the road.

Seems like an unfounded claim.

Look what these animals do

http://www.wfmynews2.com/news/mostpopular/article.aspx?storyid=86779&pr

Originally posted by Yo Mom loves it
Not really, Universities open up mice and pump food additives in them whilst conscious to test physilogical effects for ubdergraduates all the time. No pain medication is given. You can't tell me that doesn't hurt the mice?
Never said it didn't, as I stated that most not all test. Some are to induce pain and other illnesses, many of the early studies were cruel and unnecessary.
Originally posted by backdoorman
Seems like an unfounded claim.
Most studies of violent behavior among serial killers and others have shown that many did in fact abuse and kill animals as children.

Most studies of violent behavior among serial killers and others have shown that many did in fact abuse and kill animals as children.

And how does that equate with "Most people that would torture and animal will do the same to humans down the road."?

Originally posted by Yo Mom loves it
animals_bunny2 No, you're not! Dramatic, but no!

You shouldn't tell people what they will or will not do.

It's your opinion, not mine. I find someone kicking a cat, I'll be kicking them.

Originally posted by eggmayo
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You shouldn't tell people what they will or will not do.

It's your opinion, not mine. I find someone kicking a cat, I'll be kicking them.

Owned. 🙂

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Most studies of violent behavior among serial killers and others have shown that many did in fact abuse and kill animals as children.

You don't have to make it serial killers, Pittster. You can make it Joe-Schmoe civilian too.

Its a matter of life versus choice.

If an animal attacks a human, it is because it needs food. Sometimes, though mostly rarely now, the other way around occurs with humans hunting animals.

Now take any ordinary hunter, or someone who just abuses animals...with the methods today, our weapons, etc...it is purely for sport and killing, assuming you are the superior, and what you put them through is just for your entertainment. People with any disregard for life as to think that killing any random dog is less bad than killing any random human is wrong. They are still killing either way, and one usually may lead to the other.

Its just the way we think of it. We cant imagine veiwing things through the eyes of an animal. We just see the object, that moves around and barks or whatever. They think, if only with the intelligence of a one-year-old, although some are more intelligent than others. This is the age of robots and machines, we think of animals as machines, not really living.

If you abuse animals, you likely abuse humans as well or will. And you're probably a shitty person too, in general.

Now I dont think torturing animals is any better or worse than hurting humans. It has to do with innocence, and choice. We choose to kill/torture(either innocent humans, or animals), out of our own choice. When we fight eachother with guns or whatever, it is out of mutual consent (or nonconsent)- we choose poorly and end up fighting (animals do this to eachother too)- I cant feel any pity for them. But when one person decides to kill someone who is just innocent, or even an animal, thinking it is alright, theres a blood rage at hearing that. Those people I hate.

Originally posted by backdoorman
And how does that equate with "Most people that would torture and animal will do the same to humans down the road."?
Most studies of serial killers and murders have been shown to kill animals for fun as children; this is one of the warning signs that have been used to demonstrate homicidal behavior. While this is not an absolute by any means saying that if you brutally kill animals for fun you going to do it to humans but there is a correlation between the type of harm and the mentality.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Animal-Cruelty:--The-Key-to-Serial-Minds&id=35856
http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=132

Originally posted by The Black Ghost
Its a matter of life versus choice.

If an animal attacks a human, it is because it needs food. Sometimes, though mostly rarely now, the other way around occurs with humans hunting animals.

Now take any ordinary hunter, or someone who just abuses animals...with the methods today, our weapons, etc...it is purely for sport and killing, assuming you are the superior, and what you put them through is just for your entertainment. People with any disregard for life as to think that killing any random dog is less bad than killing any random human is wrong. They are still killing either way, and one usually may lead to the other.

Its just the way we think of it. We cant imagine veiwing things through the eyes of an animal. We just see the object, that moves around and barks or whatever. They think, if only with the intelligence of a one-year-old, although some are more intelligent than others. This is the age of robots and machines, we think of animals as machines, not really living.

If you abuse animals, you likely abuse humans as well or will. And you're probably a shitty person too, in general.

Now I dont think torturing animals is any better or worse than hurting humans. It has to do with innocence, and choice. We choose to kill/torture(either innocent humans, or animals), out of our own choice. When we fight eachother with guns or whatever, it is out of mutual consent (or nonconsent)- we choose poorly and end up fighting (animals do this to eachother too)- I cant feel any pity for them. But when one person decides to kill someone who is just innocent, or even an animal, thinking it is alright, theres a blood rage at hearing that. Those people I hate.

Good post, but I would like to add one thing: even though we are the most intelligent animal on Earth, we are still animals.

Originally posted by eggmayo
You shouldn't tell people what they will or will not do.

It's your opinion, not mine. I find someone kicking a cat, I'll be kicking them.

No you won't. You're being dramatic, in real life you'd be scared. I can tell.