Nvr, have you ever seen anyone actually harm Apocalypse with a weapon? As in, lobbing off any limbs or decapitating him? Not even Cable was able to kill him when he focused all his energy into the psimitar. Phoenix had to separate his essence from Cyclops' body before it would work.
Although I don't doubt Diana's ability to cut him, I doubt that cutting off a limb is something that will injure him properly. Hell, I've never seen anyone injure a fully powered/classic Apocalypse without plot items or PIS.
Originally posted by llagrok
Nvr, have you ever seen anyone actually harm Apocalypse with a weapon? As in, lobbing off any limbs or decapitating him? Not even Cable was able to kill him when he focused all his energy into the psimitar. Phoenix had to separate his essence from Cyclops' body before it would work.Although I don't doubt Diana's ability to cut him, I doubt that cutting off a limb is something that will injure him properly. Hell, I've never seen anyone injure a fully powered/classic Apocalypse without plot items or PIS.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Magic Lasso and magic sword for the win. If that lasso isn't a plot item I dont' know what is. As she commands him not to regrow from his injury or heal himself.
I believe that Apocalypse is one of the few beings strong willed enough to resist it for the time required to transform his way out of it.
Not to mention the fact that she'd have to actually get the lasso around him in order to do so, and Apoc has instant teleportation. Once the battle begins he's teleported somewhere out of Diana's range while growing 100 feet tall and morhphing his arm into a gigantic 35ft diameter photon canon and is blasting at Diana from multiple positions (port and blast is a viable option).
As for cutting Apoc, it's pretty useless. He has full control over his atomic structure. He has, on panel, separated his head from his body and at it fly off independently, and morphed his body around incoming weapons fire and physical attacks (punches, projectiles, etc). Not to mention he has forcefields which he can attack from behind.
Diana's not the only one with options here.
Other than the Medusa head, which is a line of sight attack in itself, most of Diana's arsenal wouldn't effect Apoc. Physical assaults are futile and that's pretty much all she's got.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Not to mention the fact that she'd have to actually get the lasso around him in order to do so, and Apoc has instant teleportation. Once the battle begins he's teleported somewhere out of Diana's range while growing 100 feet tall and morhphing his arm into a gigantic 35ft diameter photon canon and is blasting at Diana from multiple positions (port and blast is a viable option).As for cutting Apoc, it's pretty useless. He has full control over his atomic structure. He has, on panel, separated his head from his body and at it fly off independently, and morphed his body around incoming weapons fire and physical attacks (punches, projectiles, etc). Not to mention he has forcefields which he can attack from behind.
Diana's not the only one with options here.
Other than the Medusa head, which is a line of sight attack in itself, most of Diana's arsenal wouldn't effect Apoc. Physical assaults are futile and that's pretty much all she's got.
So exactly how is apoc teleporting anywhere out of her range when she will be wearing the sandles of herme's? instant dimensional following for the win. Blasting a giant gun at her isn't going to mean much if she's wearing the guantlets. It would be like him shooting at Thanos. She'd be 20 times stronger and more invulnerable. The prep is too much in her favor. Regular apoc fighting smart with her and no weapons can win if he usues piercing attacks and lands them.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Not to mention the fact that she'd have to actually get the lasso around him in order to do so, and Apoc has instant teleportation. Once the battle begins he's teleported somewhere out of Diana's range while growing 100 feet tall and morhphing his arm into a gigantic 35ft diameter photon canon and is blasting at Diana from multiple positions (port and blast is a viable option).As for cutting Apoc, it's pretty useless. He has full control over his atomic structure. He has, on panel, separated his head from his body and at it fly off independently, and morphed his body around incoming weapons fire and physical attacks (punches, projectiles, etc). Not to mention he has forcefields which he can attack from behind.
Diana's not the only one with options here.
Other than the Medusa head, which is a line of sight attack in itself, most of Diana's arsenal wouldn't effect Apoc. Physical assaults are futile and that's pretty much all she's got.
Co-signed and Profiled. It's ludicrous how much Apocalypse is under-written. 🙁
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So exactly how is apoc teleporting anywhere out of her range when she will be wearing the sandles of herme's? instant dimensional following for the win. Blasting a giant gun at her isn't going to mean much if she's wearing the guantlets. It would be like him shooting at Thanos. She'd be 20 times stronger and more invulnerable. The prep is too much in her favor. Regular apoc fighting smart with her and no weapons can win if he usues piercing attacks and lands them.
Nvr makes an incredibly strong point here.
If you give Diana her weapons, she can pretty much fight Skyfather level guys.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Trickster, he's actually giving Apoc credit.
I'm agreeing with him. I edited in a co-sign. I'm just pointing out the disparity in what forum strategies and brilliant ideas we come up with, and what the writers have him doing. What his powerset should allow him to do and what he does in fights is crazy. That's why he's a jobber. He's got one of the greatest powersets on earth, and it's rediculously underused.
Originally posted by llagrok
Nvr makes an incredibly strong point here.If you give Diana her weapons, she can pretty much fight Skyfather level guys.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This is why WW almost NEVER uses her weapons. her suit is indestructible and she hardly puts it on. The Only time i can remember it being dmgd was by imperiex drones. Which also turned Cm inside out. She would never use all of her weapons becuz then she'd be victorious with no need for skill or battle. I hope she lives thru the next issue of WW with athena crushing her in her hand.
Would the gods allow her to use the weapons all the time though? I think Diana sort of understands how important self control and restraint it. She also figures that overuse would quickly turn into abuse.
Originally posted by llagrok
Would the gods allow her to use the weapons all the time though? I think Diana sort of understands how important self control and restraint it. She also figures that overuse would quickly turn into abuse.