Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlhow many times has he beaten post crisis supes. this is great though that all precrisis doesnt count. the hologram doesnt count now right. wasnt that precrisis.
That is not a feat. DS has beaten post crisis Superman as well. many times. Which I have mentioned several times.
Originally posted by Soljer
Darkseid beating pre crisis superman in specific instances ARE feats.
In any case, my argument for DS beaing able to beat Odin has never been about DS precrisis feats. It's always been about his power ups from beating all those gods, and his ability to create skyfather lvl beings himself, and his ability to steal other beings powers and add them to his own.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
In any case, my argument for DS beaing able to beat Odin has never been about DS precrisis feats. It's always been about his power ups from beating all those gods, and his ability to create skyfather lvl beings himself, and his ability to steal other beings powers and add them to his own.
Originally posted by darthgoober
He didn't really take out any abstracts. He DID take out Galactus, but that's about it.And what reason would Doom have to lie when talking to himself?
Well if doom is the 2nd most powerful mystich under strange, then he would be the most powerful of mortals. Isn't strange immortal?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlwatches carefully as nver distances himself from this argument and doesnt want to talk about precrisis stuff anymore.
In any case, my argument for DS beaing able to beat Odin has never been about DS precrisis feats. It's always been about his power ups from beating all those gods, and his ability to create skyfather lvl beings himself, and his ability to steal other beings powers and add them to his own.
fun while it lasted.
but at least i dont have to count according to never supes losing in precrisis as it doesnt count anymore to him.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Molecule man is immortal.
And you never answered as to what Gods you were talking about DS beating.
Originally posted by darthgoobercorrect and im waiting to here for this awesome feat.
It doesn't matter, Doom SPECIFICALLY mentioned MM being mortal in the same statement. That means that he was including him as being one of the beings weaker than he.And you never answered as to what Gods you were talking about DS beating.
Originally posted by darthgoober
What gods are you talking about?
Originally posted by darthgoober
It doesn't matter, Doom SPECIFICALLY mentioned MM being mortal in the same statement. That means that he was including him as being one of the beings weaker than he.And you never answered as to what Gods you were talking about DS beating.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Genesis. They specifically talk about and show DS destroying a God and taking his power. Odin and highfather discuss how DS has absorbed enough power to be even beyond thier reckoning. This remains one of his abilities. And for him to put the fear in highfather and Odin was saying alot.
Originally posted by quanchi112
the point is he caught u. and the point is the crisis never affected darkseid experiences. so the thug wasnt retconned out.😉
Then neither was him beating Superman 20 times, beating down Highfather, Lobo, the LSH, Martian manhunter, Orion, Kalibak, New Genesis, etc, etc, etc, etc. 😉
PC counts, as does GDS. And here's why.
"Whether or not the people exist, the reflection they left on HIS power remains a part of his average due to his not being changed by Crisis. In fact, didn't you once say that DS was ABOVE rectons like Crisis."
If it's the same Darkseid, only weaker, then all the feats done by a weakened Darkseid, can be used to gain a glimpse of his full power. And the fact that he beat up and drained 2 skyfather (or higher) level beings to restore his powers, and he still wasn't at full power........it pretty much speaks for itself. 😄
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Then neither was him beating Superman 20 times, beating down Highfather, Lobo, the LSH, Martian manhunter, Orion, Kalibak, New Genesis, etc, etc, etc, etc. 😉PC counts, as does GDS. And here's why.
"Whether or not the people exist, the reflection they left on HIS power remains a part of his average due to his not being changed by Crisis. In fact, didn't you once say that DS was ABOVE rectons like Crisis."
If it's the same Darkseid, only weaker, then all the feats done by a weakened Darkseid, can be used to gain a glimpse of his full power. And the fact that he beat up and drained 2 skyfather (or higher) level beings to restore his powers, and he still wasn't at full power........it pretty much speaks for itself. 😄
Both Mordru and the time Trapper are Abstract lvl beings. 😄
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Then neither was him beating Superman 20 times, beating down Highfather, Lobo, the LSH, Martian manhunter, Orion, Kalibak, New Genesis, etc, etc, etc, etc. 😉PC counts, as does GDS. And here's why.
"Whether or not the people exist, the reflection they left on HIS power remains a part of his average due to his not being changed by Crisis. In fact, didn't you once say that DS was ABOVE rectons like Crisis."
If it's the same Darkseid, only weaker, then all the feats done by a weakened Darkseid, can be used to gain a glimpse of his full power. And the fact that he beat up and drained 2 skyfather (or higher) level beings to restore his powers, and he still wasn't at full power........it pretty much speaks for itself. 😄
Originally posted by TricksterPriestgds doesnt count outside gds feats. it hasnt happened yet. that darkseid doesnt exist yet. nver has said he doesnt count pc feats not me. im going with his logic here.
Then neither was him beating Superman 20 times, beating down Highfather, Lobo, the LSH, Martian manhunter, Orion, Kalibak, New Genesis, etc, etc, etc, etc. 😉PC counts, as does GDS. And here's why.
"Whether or not the people exist, the reflection they left on HIS power remains a part of his average due to his not being changed by Crisis. In fact, didn't you once say that DS was ABOVE rectons like Crisis."
If it's the same Darkseid, only weaker, then all the feats done by a weakened Darkseid, can be used to gain a glimpse of his full power. And the fact that he beat up and drained 2 skyfather (or higher) level beings to restore his powers, and he still wasn't at full power........it pretty much speaks for itself. 😄
u cant count gds as to current ds at all. feat doesnt count unless its happened or is happening.
ps if u want all his pc feats to count argue with nver not me.
pps thanos still beats strange's ass.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The difference is that in one case, DS has actually experienced it, and in the other he hasn't. GDS is DS from a different point in the time stream which makes him an alternate version. Pre Crisis on the other hand is something that DS experienced first hand, which means that it's NOT an alternate version because he retains the past experiences.
I'm amost positive that there is a scan that puts the new gods above time lines. i'll have to go scurrying and find it. At any rate, GDS isn't as impressive as Post seven Soldier DS. Hell, Stayne could accomplish most of what DS did in the GDS.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm amost positive that there is a scan that puts the new gods above time lines. i'll have to go scurrying and find it. At any rate, GDS isn't as impressive as Post seven Soldier DS. Hell, Stayne could accomplish most of what DS did in the GDS.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirli disagree with the statement that gds feats arent impressive and that stayne couldnt accomplish it. this is one of ds's greatest accomplishments.
I'm amost positive that there is a scan that puts the new gods above time lines. i'll have to go scurrying and find it. At any rate, GDS isn't as impressive as Post seven Soldier DS. Hell, Stayne could accomplish most of what DS did in the GDS.
dont play it down and act like a lesser character could do it. have more respect for ds with these accomplishments.
is it in genesis cuz i have all the main books.
ps ull never find the scans.