Originally posted by Soljer
In which case, I seem to doubt any 'insert street leveller here' could very easily take him. Aren't Balors/Balrogs/whatever like the Seraphim of hell? Top-dog Demons?
Balrogs are Maiar, just like Gandalf, Sauron, and Sauruman are. They are the most powerful beings in creation besides the Ainur and of course Illuvatar.
Originally posted by Soljer
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Gandalf is one of the Maiar. Because the species isn't stuck in one form they can look like anything but still have roughly equal powers.
Gandalf could be a Balrog (or Balor for you DnD nerds) if he so desired.
The only things above them are Illuvitar (god) and the Anuir (some sorta true angels that built creation)
At least thats how I saw it.
Originally posted by boriquaking55
Yea but I still think a Maia's mortal form is vulnerable, you just can't kill their true form.
Possible. In fact wasn't that part of the transition from Grey to White for Gandalf?
Originally posted by boriquaking55
Heck even Melkor was never killed, he's just eternally imprisoned isn't he? I like to think Sauron wasn't killed either at the end of LOTR, just banished from the mortal world.
Melkor is one of the Anuir so only Illuvitar can kill him (and he doesn't seem like the killing type)
Sauron is notoriously hard to kill (or imprison) and even with his power destroyed I'm pretty sure he can keep going.
Anyway if you just need to KO him or kill him once then the more powerful Maiar should be able to do it. But because Tolkien loved magic working subletly I don't think it's possible to rank him against comic characters.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Anyway if you just need to KO him or kill him once then the more powerful Maiar should be able to do it. But because Tolkien loved magic working subletly I don't think it's possible to rank him against comic characters.
Yea it is difficult to compare the two, and I made the mistake in my first post of considering the film version only, who was wayyy powered-down.
Originally posted by Soljer
What if they started a lot closer? No Wolvi-blitz?
His powers are crazy and much more exsplored out side the lord of the rings triligy.
I would have to re read some books to give you my true opinion.
but im going with gandolph till then.
Originally posted by Soljer
In which case, I seem to doubt any 'insert street leveller here' could very easily take him. Aren't Balors/Balrogs/whatever like the Seraphim of hell? Top-dog Demons?
Exactly... There is no street leveller who could stand up to a Maiar. Not only is he out of this world powerful, but Gandalf also can hold his own in swordsmanship having fought a Balrog to a standstill for 2 days.