The Blue Oyster Bar

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
I don't know about in the States because i'm not sure how it works over there, but over here, you need a license, and to get one, you need to be approved by the SIA (Security Industry Authority) which is easily done if you don't have a criminal record.

And once you have it, you basically have a license to hurt people with ''''Reasonable, and necessary force''''.
And who judges what is reasonable? The bouncer does. And with that, it's a gray area. So you can do anything that YOU feel is neseccary except stuff like kicking the shit out of people when they're down, because the SIA would say that wasn't reasonable or necessary, period.

If it's off camera here, it's easier to get away with things as long as you don't accept the police caution. ABH and GBH are cautionable and sometimes arrestable offenses, but if noone saw anything, it's harder to prove what's right and wrong. Especially if you have more than one person saying it didn't happen.

Maybe these 12 guys assumed they could get away with this for whatever reason. All it takes is a witness to say they saw those guys taking the 3 other guys into the back room, and then you have a whole case open up.

I'm SURE there was a lot more to it then a drinking bill, that seems ridiculous, especially for 12 people to get involved in.

Pretty sure they have footage of the kids being taken into the backroom.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
See, if it were my hometown, it would obviously be the mob, though everybody would claim that it wasn't. Darn Norristown "family" businesses!

*dragged into an alley and shot through ankles*

Thats bad, btw I agree on your DBZ points

Originally posted by nimbus006
Pretty sure they have footage of the kids being taken into the backroom.

Then the bouncers don't have a leg to stand on.

They obviously weren't friendly enough with the club licensee to have him/ her 'lose' the tapes.

They will probably all do some time for that, even if they didn't all help beat them, they were there and didn't try to prevent it, and when the law is concerned, it's pretty much the same thing.

That is fecked up I remember 5 bouncers took someone into the back and kicked the shit out of one guy...was pretty scary 😐...could see them doing it through the window😐

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Thats bad, btw I agree on your DBZ points

Alright, so I get the vibe that Cell is your favorite DBZ villain. Is that accurate? If so, what was it about him that you liked?

Edit: ... and outnumbering someone and beating them to a pulp in a backroom isn't cool, just as disruptive bar clients aren't cool.

My favorite villain is Cooler then Super Buu then Cell.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
Then the bouncers don't have a leg to stand on.

They obviously weren't friendly enough with the club licensee to have him/ her 'lose' the tapes.

They will probably all do some time for that, even if they didn't all help beat them, they were there and didn't try to prevent it, and when the law is concerned, it's pretty much the same thing.

Yup.

Question: You don't have to answer this if you don't want too, but...

Would you ever participate in something like that?

I mean 12 against 3, I know you guys (bouncers) are a team and everything, but I don't care if it was my best friend's I would never allow that to happen.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
My favorite villain is Cooler then Super Buu then Cell.

Or perhaps Cooler, Cell and then Super Buu not to sure.

Originally posted by ScarletSpeed
That is fecked up I remember 5 bouncers took someone into the back and kicked the shit out of one guy...was pretty scary 😐...could see them doing it through the window😐

It's not just bouncers that do that to people, i've seen some brutal fights between people that were just fighting in the bar before you get to it, outside the bar, sometimes right in front of police.

It's not always men either, women fighting is vicious. Scratching and clawing is frequent among women.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
It's not just bouncers that do that to people, i've seen some brutal fights between people that were just fighting in the bar before you get to it, outside the bar, sometimes right in front of police.

It's not always men either, women fighting is vicious. Scratching and clawing is frequent among women.

Of course not, it's sad but true.

Originally posted by ScarletSpeed
That is fecked up I remember 5 bouncers took someone into the back and kicked the shit out of one guy...was pretty scary 😐...could see them doing it through the window😐

Hey i noticed your sig back a ways...very good 👆

I would work with pics that look like they can be resized effectivley, then start resizing away...540x150 and 50k is the limit(i think)

Crop a bigger pic by eye(540x150) then make sure its 540x150=sig

Once you start playing around let me know(pm me), i use adobe photoshop and most versions follow the same trend....i will give you any tips i can remember 😎

Remember I live in Glasgow man I see people getting bottles stuck into there neck... in fact I have been stabbed nine times... people in general are just total headcases 😐

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
My favorite villain is Cooler then Super Buu then Cell.

At Speed: Nine times, huh? With what did they get you? Were you being disruptive? 😄

Originally posted by starlock
Hey i noticed your sig back a ways...very good 👆

I would work with pics that look like they can be resized effectivley, then start resizing away...540x150 and 50k is the limit(i think)

Crop a bigger pic by eye(540x150) then make sure its 540x150=sig

Once you start playing around let me know(pm me), i use adobe photoshop and most versions follow the same trend....i will give you any tips i can remember 😎

Hey thanks it is all so confusing to me I'll post the IronMan I'm working on...they are pretty simple for now cause I'm just starting 😂

Originally posted by nimbus006
Yup.

Question: You don't have to answer this if you don't want too, but...

Would you ever participate in something like that?

I mean 12 against 3, I know you guys (bouncers) are a team and everything, but I don't care if it was my best friend's I would never allow that to happen.

I wouldn't. But it's easy to say that without knowing the circumstances.

12 vs 3 is brutal, and THAT was not needed, but it could've been only 2 or 3 of the bouncers even doing anything to the 3 kids.

I doubt 12 guys would beat on 3, pretty pointless if you ask me. Those 3 kids didn't deserve to get beaten to a pulp by 12 people, but if it was 3 on 3, is THAT so bad?

Fighting is extremely common in this line of work, people in the street are worse then doorman, when someone fights and he has friends with him, it's not un-common for everyone to get a hit or kick in. It's rarely only 1 vs 1 in that situation.

I wouldn't participate in a 12 vs 3 beatdown under any circumstances. You don't need 12 to teach someone a lesson. It was probably only 2 or 3 of them, and the other's were just there watching.

Either way, without knowing the full story, it was harsh, and those doorman will most likely do time, all of them.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
We definitely agree on Cooler. I'm a big fan of Android 17 (even before his Super 17 transformation). 17 is just cool and his fight with Piccolo was excellent.

what a shame that was the last time both of them fought in the series, GT was a letdown to DB/DBZ and not official since it does not come from a manga source.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
We definitely agree on Cooler. I'm a big fan of Android 17 (even before his Super 17 transformation). 17 is just cool and his fight with Piccolo was excellent.

At Speed: Nine times, huh? With what did they get you? Were you being disruptive? 😄

It was a black Rambo knife...the police found it in a field near by covered in my blood 😐😂, No I was just at a party then these guys started trying to fight so I like fought them and won then this wee fecker just came at me from behind with a knife, got my face and my back and my head and all that... still chased him down and kicked the shit out him 😂

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
I wouldn't. But it's easy to say that without knowing the circumstances.

True, we don't know the circumstances, and yes as a bouncer I do agree you have to watch each others backs because people out there are brutal. However, in this situation they were inside a small room so they knew there was no real danger present.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER

I wouldn't participate in a 12 vs 3 beatdown under any circumstances. You don't need 12 to teach someone a lesson. It was probably only 2 or 3 of them, and the other's were just there watching.

You're probably right, it was most likey 3 or 4 of them doing the damage, but then again why have 8 or 9 other guys in there to begin with. Just in case, maybe?

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER

I wouldn't participate in a 12 vs 3 beatdown under any circumstances.

That's good to hear. 🙂

Originally posted by nimbus006
You're probably right, it was most likey 3 or 4 of them doing the damage, but then again why have 8 or 9 other guys in there to begin with. Just in case, maybe?

That's the thing they will all go down for. Due to their lack of prevention means they're as guilty as the guys that did it, assuming not all 12 took part.

But i agree about that, if the 3 kids won, i doubt the other 9 would just let them go, so there really was nothing they could've done.
They went into that room, and they were never going to come out the same way they went in.

The courts will lay on them "That's not how door staff behave, that's how the mob behaves", which is entirely true.

There really is no coming back from that case, those guys are screwed!