Physical strength

Originally posted by llagrok
Still, hard to believe.

Hulk wouldn't swiftly tower above PC Supes' strength.

1) Hulk has demonstrated +instantaneous+ increases in strength way past anything most sub-herald characters have - the ripping apart of matter and anti-matter, the shattering of a spacial body twice the size of earth with a punch etc

2) depends what you call swift. I think it'd be a case of Superman kicking/punching Hulk halfway across the solar system - literally, I can't see a proper fight without the planets and their orbits getting rearranged - and then Hulk responding by flinging half of whatever planet he's landed upon, back at PreC Superman, at speeds in excess of light... thereafter, Hulk's strength continues on its exponential rise, while PreC Superman's strength begins to wane as his willpower and spirit continue to hold.

that all takes a few panels, imo. it's "swift" in that we're talking over the course of the initial exchange of blows during a single fight, rather than days or, as never imagines, years/infinity...

Originally posted by janus77
two things wrong with that statement:

1) Hulk has demonstrated +instantaneous+ increases in strength way past anything most sub-herald characters have - the ripping apart of matter and anti-matter, the shattering of a spacial body twice the size of earth with a punch etc

2) depends what you call swift. I think it'd be a case of Superman kicking/punching Hulk halfway across the solar system - literally, I can't see a proper fight without the planets and their orbits getting rearranged - and then Hulk responding by flinging half of whatever planet he's landed upon, back at PreC Superman, at speeds in excess of light... thereafter, Hulk's strength continues on its exponential rise, while PreC Superman's strength begins to wane as his willpower and spirit continue to hold.

that all takes a few panels, imo. it's "swift" in that we're talking over the course of the initial exchange of blows during a single fight, rather than days or, as never imagines, years/infinity...

Separating matter from anti matter is by far the most amazing feat the Hulk has performed, but he still couldn't jump from one planet to another.

Originally posted by King_Cold
Separating matter from anti matter is by far the most amazing feat the Hulk has performed, but he still couldn't jump from one planet to another.

That is not a good strength feat. Many think the attraction of matter to anti-matter is undeniable. This is false. It is actually a weak force (look it up).
Something that even moderate magnetical fields are strong enough to do.

Originally posted by janus77
two things wrong with that statement:

1) Hulk has demonstrated +instantaneous+ increases in strength way past anything most sub-herald characters have - the ripping apart of matter and anti-matter, the shattering of a spacial body twice the size of earth with a punch etc

2) depends what you call swift. I think it'd be a case of Superman kicking/punching Hulk halfway across the solar system - literally, I can't see a proper fight without the planets and their orbits getting rearranged - and then Hulk responding by flinging half of whatever planet he's landed upon, back at PreC Superman, at speeds in excess of light... thereafter, Hulk's strength continues on its exponential rise, while PreC Superman's strength begins to wane as his willpower and spirit continue to hold.

that all takes a few panels, imo. it's "swift" in that we're talking over the course of the initial exchange of blows during a single fight, rather than days or, as never imagines, years/infinity...

I think you need some help.

Being shot into an asteroid isn't the same as standing still and punching one in half.

ill, you are seriously stretching the case for care in the community.
can you show me a scan of him being "shot into an asteroid"?
provide the scan, please.

he was shot into space, he doesn't fly. what happened then was due purely to his strength. he punched the asteroid into pieces.

really, take your pills and have an early night ❌

Originally posted by janus77
two things wrong with that statement:

1) Hulk has demonstrated +instantaneous+ increases in strength way past anything most sub-herald characters have - the ripping apart of matter and anti-matter, the shattering of a spacial body twice the size of earth with a punch etc

2) depends what you call swift. I think it'd be a case of Superman kicking/punching Hulk halfway across the solar system - literally, I can't see a proper fight without the planets and their orbits getting rearranged - and then Hulk responding by flinging half of whatever planet he's landed upon, back at PreC Superman, at speeds in excess of light... thereafter, Hulk's strength continues on its exponential rise, while PreC Superman's strength begins to wane as his willpower and spirit continue to hold.

that all takes a few panels, imo. it's "swift" in that we're talking over the course of the initial exchange of blows during a single fight, rather than days or, as never imagines, years/infinity...

READ THIS:

It has been stated by marvel that his strength is "proportional" to how angry he gets (y=kx). Meaning linear at best. For example let y=2x where k=2, y is strength level and x is rage level. So for every unit increase of rage then there would be two units of strength increase(and not double, triples, etc).
So if PC superman can lift 2 googol tons (a googol is 1 followed by hundred zeros) and it would take Hulk a googol units of rage increase to lift 2 googol tons. And that's if his k is 2 (his k is most likely higher though). But even if his k is 100000 (his k should be lower than this though) then it would take Hulk 10000000....(95 zeros) units of rage increase to lift 2 googol tons. And that's something I don't think he can achieve in his lifetime.

Now PreC superman's strength has flucuated over his history. So I take that this thread is using his most strongest version. So we shall use the writer (I forget his name) that had him pulling solar systems with ease. With that writer he had no strength limit. For he was infinitely strong. So there is no one that is or was physically stronger than that PreC superman. For there was no weight he couldn't move nor lift (as in the idea of that writer). He was truly infinitely strong. Now other eras of PreC superman may be different.

With agreeing to that,
Now true it can take a small time to get a large degree of scared, angry etc. For example, if you were to look up in the sky and see the moon as large as half the sky then how scared would you be? Very much I hope. Would it take you a long time to reach this level the moment you see it? I think not. So it is understandable how Hulk's level of rage or fear can jump almost instantly. But what you must understand that there is a limit to how much angry or scared he can be. Pretend he has 100 levels of rage and fear. Now it could take seconds to reach the 90th level (if come across a fast big scare) but a much longer time to go from 91-100 (because he is already scared alot and not much can scare him more). For example, when you are scared because you see that the moon is about to hit earth then I don't think you got too much more room to be more scared in you. Do you? The same is with Hulk since he still has human emotions.
So Hulk can jump in strength in mere moments but can not continue it in the same fashion (even he he had ability for infinite rage). But all of this is moot since base Hulk is what the thread requires (current strength levels and not potential ones). Plus I already stated above that a certain Pre Superman had infinite strength.

Not that I am for WWH in any way but can't he like meditate and access certain levels of rage now? Just wondering

Originally posted by h1a8
That is not a good strength feat. Many think the attraction of matter to anti-matter is undeniable. This is false. It is actually a weak force (look it up).
Something that even moderate magnetical fields are strong enough to do.

How do you think matter annihilates anti-matter? Magic?

Their magnetic attraction is so powerful that they hit each other at tremendous speeds, this annihilates both of them. And the The Well Titled Incredible Hulk separated matter from anti matter!

But Superman sneezed and destroyed a solar system.

Originally posted by King_Cold
How do you think matter annihilates anti-matter? Magic?

Their magnetic attraction is so powerful that they hit each other at tremendous speeds, this annihilates both of them. And the The Well Titled Incredible Hulk separated matter from anti matter!

But Superman sneezed and destroyed a solar system.

Trust me I know a lot about science. I took 3 years of college physics and I did some research. Please ask any physics professor or look it up yourself. The attraction is electromagnetic strength at best and not nuclear (remember there are 4 strengths of fundamental interactions). Writers don't know what the h$%* they are talking about when imply write that it takes tremendous strength to keep matter and antimatter apart. And if you look at discover channel they will tell you that they use moderate magnetic fields to keep antimatter from colliding with matter (Yes we can make anti-matter now).

Originally posted by King_Cold

But Superman sneezed and destroyed a solar system.

we have a phrase in England for this kind of strength feat - UTTER BOL
LOX!

It is this sort of thing that makes Superman akin to a Tom and Jerry cartoon

disgust

Originally posted by h1a8
It has been stated by marvel that his strength is "proportional" to how angry he gets (y=[B]kx). Meaning linear at best. For example let y=2x where k=2, y is strength level and x is rage level. So for every unit increase of rage then there would be two units of strength increase(and not double, triples, etc).
So if PC superman can lift 2 googol tons (a googol is 1 followed by hundred zeros) and it would take Hulk a googol units of rage increase to lift 2 googol tons. And that's if his k is 2 (his k is most likely higher though). But even if his k is 100000 (his k should be lower than this though) then it would take Hulk 10000000....(95 zeros) units of rage increase to lift 2 googol tons. And that's something I don't think he can achieve in his lifetime. [/B]

You got it all wrong. It's exponential. Look at Secret Wars when he held up several hundred billion tons of rock. He wasn't even that angry. If what you're saying was true, he would have been crushed, either that or be a drooling lunatic to be able to hold up that much, but he wasn't.

He has moved through telekinetic fields strong enough to move planets before, not even that angry, just pretty angry.

If you wanted to make a formula of Hulk's strength, it would be more of a quadratic function. For example Strength = BaselineStrength factored by anger level. Definitely not a linear equation. So if his anger level was 1, his resting state, then his strength would be 100 tons. If his anger level was a 3, ie agitated, then his strength level would be 100 x 100 x 100 = 1 million tons.

He has moved more than the equivilant of the mass of the Earth, which is roughly 5.98 times 10 to the 24th power. So in this instance, his anger level would be 12 - very very angry.

Originally posted by Kutulu
You got it all wrong. It's exponential. Look at Secret Wars when he held up several hundred billion tons of rock. He wasn't even that angry. If what you're saying was true, he would have been crushed, either that or be a drooling lunatic to be able to hold up that much, but he wasn't.

He has moved through telekinetic fields strong enough to move planets before, not even that angry, just pretty angry.

If you wanted to make a formula of Hulk's strength, it would be more of a quadratic function. For example Strength = BaselineStrength factored by anger level. Definitely not a linear equation. So if his anger level was 1, his resting state, then his strength would be 100 tons. If his anger level was a 3, ie agitated, then his strength level would be 100 x 100 x 100 = 1 million tons.

He has moved more than the equivilant of the mass of the Earth, which is roughly 5.98 times 10 to the 24th power. So in this instance, his anger level would be 12 - very very angry.

How do you know how angry he was? Looks don't tell. I was extremely angry many times but no one knew. So you couldn't tell by my face nor my voice. Plus, Hulk always have the same face when he's angry and talks the same too.

And for further proof of this, lets say you're right and Hulk wasn't that much angry when he did those things. But you would surely agree that there were times when he was angrier (Hence your comment "he wasn't even that angry"😉. But why in those times of more angry he was significantly weaker? This contradicts his power as the more angry he gets the more stronger he gets. And why did Hulk many times get overpowered by guys who's strength is greatly insufficient to do the things Hulk did while Hulk was even more angrier fighting them then he was doing those stupid things?
That is how you know this stuff isn't real and that there are contradictions everywhere in marvel. comment here first

So how can we take something as truth when it contradicts everything else? To do this and also to prevent PIS we go by consistent feats that don't contradict each other. And we also can use official bios as evidence too.
And I pointed out that Marvel says it is only linearly (not exponential or quadratic). Are you going to say that they're wrong when they made it up?

there was a cross over with pc sups and hulk putting them on par with each other in strength anyone with the power gem could be stronger than pc sups

Originally posted by h1a8
How do you know how angry he was? Looks don't tell. I was extremely angry many times but no one knew. So you couldn't tell by my face nor my voice. Plus, Hulk always have the same face when he's angry and talks the same too.

So how can we take something as truth when it contradicts everything else? To do this and also to prevent PIS we go by consistent feats that don't contradict each other. And we also can use official bios as evidence too.
And I pointed out that Marvel says it is only linearly (not exponential or quadratic). Are you going to say that they're wrong when they made it up?

2.His emotions arent limited,his anger has been stated as boundless.

Originally posted by strengthkills
1.When were you a fictional character.

2.His emotions arent limited,his anger has been stated as boundless.

1. Exactly. That is what I'm saying. My post was showing that he couldn't know how angry Hulk was and even if he did it would contradict the very power and definition of Hulk.

2. What do you think I am a fool? It was never stated anywhere on panel that his anger is boundless. Try again. But it could have been stated by say fanboys. So I don't know? 😕

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Exactly. That is what I'm saying. My post was showing that he couldn't know how angry Hulk was and even if he did it would contradict the very power and definition of Hulk.

2. What do you think I am a fool? It was never stated anywhere on panel that his anger is boundless. Try again. But it could have been stated by say fanboys. So I don't know? 😕

1.What?No it wouldnt,anger is not the only emotional trigger that causes his strength to escalate,stress does too.

2.Please read Greg Paks interview its boundless bud,and no I dont take you for a fool.But on that same token dont insinuate Im a fanboy cause I know my favorite characters' history in depth and that no matter how some people try and argue that his emotions are limited and his strength
is to I will always have Hulks history to back me up.Hulk has been stated to have a brain that functions differently from humans by Stan Lee himself.So no matter how much "proof"you think you have its always negated by the fact his creator created him to have it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He-Man.

and She-Ra 😆

welll here is somthing that you may want to consider how about,,,

Animal Man ? now this may sound very farfetched but i think we know that the pseudo science behind it makes sence. he can gain the abilities of any animal.now we know that some animal can carry large amounts of weight far above there own? perhaps animal man can do the same to beat his own? at the moment is animal realy intune with the red of the entire galaxy?

Originally posted by strengthkills
1.What?No it wouldnt,anger is not the only emotional trigger that causes his strength to escalate,stress does too.

2.Please read Greg Paks interview its boundless bud,and no I dont take you for a fool.But on that same token dont insinuate Im a fanboy cause I know my favorite characters' history in depth and that no matter how some people try and argue that his emotions are limited and his strength
is to I will always have Hulks history to back me up.Hulk has been stated to have a brain that functions differently from humans by Stan Lee himself.So no matter how much "proof"you think you have its always negated by the fact his creator created him to have it.

1. Your nitpicking. I didn't in any way imply that anger is the only cause of his strength increase. Trust me I know a lot about Hulk. Please read Janus posts along with mine. I think you are taking my post wildly out of context (you are greatly misunderstanding me). I was just pointing a fallacy that Janus was using when he said that Hulk wasn't that angry when he did xy and z. Now using common sense, anger implies stress. For if Hulk is really angry then he is obviously really stressed too. But Hulk can be stressed (like through fear) and not be that angry.

2. Who is Greg Paks? Only official bios and panel feats count as evidence in this forum. Writers (if that is who Greg is) can have an idea about a character but can easily change their minds. Or another writer can take over with even a different idea. But once they put it on panel then it is etched in stone and cannot be erased. So interviews hold no water.

And as far as "brain functions as different than Human's" doesn't prove that Hulk has boundless anger. It was never mentioned on panel or in official bios. Thus it cannot be brought up as the truth.