Blair Wind vs. leonidas

Rosters:
BW - Iron Man, Spot, Hellfire King
Leo - Death's Head II, Spiral, Brainiac 8

Battle Location: The Amazon Rainforest. An invisible impenetrable forcefield will surround the forest, extending a mile beneath the surface and approximately 10 miles above the surface. Combatants will start .5 kilometers away from each other, but in a densely wooded area and not in plain sight of one another.

Match Length: Match will end tuesday the 14th at midnight EST.

- Previous match rulings and post limits apply

Judges:
- batdude
- the rest are TBA

Good luck.

🙂

Blair Wind wrote on Aug 7th, 2007 11:57 PM:
10 minute Prep Time:

0-2 minutes
HFK, utilizing spot teleportation, moves to grab a few things from his personal armory. He gets the SKIN exo armor that he bought from Askew and puts it on in case things get dire into close combat. He then gets two battlemode autopiloted Ironman armors. He already has a bunch of gadgets in an easy to reach place thanks to my two other matches. He grabs the Tech Foam, Negative Ionic gun, and a techno organic virus he has. He kept it for sentimental reasons since he once had it when his nervous system was totally artificial. He places each one of the weapons on one of the autopiloted armors. While he goes on to do the next few jobs, he puts the armor on its highest defenses for EM manipulations or fluxes of any kind, while also making sure nothing can be transmitted into his armor through any kind of "wireless" signal that is not on his secured variably changing frequency.

An example of what the SKIN liquid armor can do:
http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skin1ew9.jpg
http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skin2lj8.jpg

3-5 minutes
Since I did get the Pre Extremis version of Tony, he also happens to be the Secretary of Defense. You know who that is right? The guy in charge of the entire US. Armed Forces. So being that he knows the location to every single missile silo in America, he goes through spots and decides to take four hydrogen fusion nuke bombs. You know, the 50 Megaton kind 😈

6-10 minutes
With just a few minutes remaining, HFK uses his armors computer mapping system to create a tactical simulation:
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironmanv127901er3.jpg

He inputs the info he is given of the battlefield (Amazon Rainforest, .5 kilometers away from opponent, and forcefield barrier) and uses his armor to know where to place the hydrogen bombs in a rough square around his position covering both him and his opponent. He uses it to know where to place them for a synergistic effect, thus making the four bombs into one MEGA bomb, covering the space inside and outside the rough digital square. He makes sure that it will greatly effect my opponent wherever they may be and letting it have the maximum yield it can have. His tactical computer is great at giving information like that:
http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tacticalcomputereo7.jpg

He then takes the techno organic virus places a case of it on the bombs and a case in his armor to propel. When they explode it will spread the virus all across the field, and my armor can project it if need be.

He then creates three spot command centers. The basic design is a sphere of spots with various spots all overlapping each other to create something akin to a spot forcefield. Inside of each sphere is one of the Ironmen, one being for me.

With these things done Tony starts the timer on the self destruct feature of the bombs with remote access. With ten seconds left he inputs 11 seconds of time. When the bombs reach 1 second *battle starts*, they are spotted away to the locations given by his armor *imagine he drops all four into spots at his feet*. With the spots closed instantly, and he himself inside of his spot field he waits....

Battle Begins:
The first second that the battle begins all four hydrogen bombs go BOOOM! And thats all she wrote folks. Nothing could have survived that except me. My character and drones were kept safe in the spot spheres that had the incoming blast redirected back outside of the sphere. For comparisons sake let me say that a 15 Megaton fusion bomb made a fireball that was something like 5km across. Now imagine a 50 megaton fusion bomb. Now imagine four of those. The heat and pressure in this mega bomb event will kill everything. Given that it was the very first second of battle Leo's character could not have done a single thing about it. Lets see why.

Reasons Kali could not have survived

Precog: Forgetting for a minute that this attack happens in the very first second of battle, she would not have a precog moment of it because it was spotted. Spiderman's precog could not tell him when he was going to be punched, and his is top notch in terms of instantly telling him about danger:
http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nospidersensetc4.jpg

Forcefield: Indigo's forcefields were never that strong. A bunch of apes broke it, and the only time she was strong enough to stop ONE nuke *which is not as powerful as a hydrogen bomb let alone four* she was amped by the energy that powered like 11 states or some such number. She will not be that powerful here even with Spirals limited amping spells *which should not work since it is on herself. Has she ever amped herself up before? doubt it.*

Teleport: She will not be able to teleport in the second it takes for the bomb to go off.

Intangible: You stated that you could go intangible in your match with Entity. This is a false statement seeing as the way you do it is through shifting yourself into another dimension
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=intangibilityvh4wl9.jpg
IF this statement were based as true, I would be able to hide out in my spot dimension and blast the crap out of you. However, I cannot do that as it is against the rules, so neither can you. You are fully tangible at all times.

Durability: While high on a simplistic healing factor way, your guy is absolutely outmatched by the bombs. I mean look he was weakened by these blasts, and they would be nothing to these bombs:
http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=backgroundcheckdz1ip9.jpg
http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=die1qr3zg3.jpg

And if he can be knocked out by Major Oak (a Sebastian Shaw copy basically) well:
http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=keopsdh20623re2.jpg

Also it seems pressure can mess with your little blasting machine, disabling it (he later reconfigured it to a blade, but the blaster was out of service):
http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thingsmooshwh0.jpg

Now that we have that all covered, and we know that the hydrogen bombs went off the first second of the battle, the victory should be clear.

However, for the naysayers among you that might for a second believe that Leo somehow survived that blast. He would still be obviously affected by it and weakened substantially. Thats where my autopiloted Ironmen come into play. Once the blast is over with, and things return to semi normal conditions (the armor would know about when things would be normal at least for the Armor), I close the spots around my autopiloted Ironmen. However, they are not alone. See for yourself:
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironmanv129610fl2.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironmanv129611xc4.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ironmanv129612im1.jpg

These drones (or smart bombs as Delph would call them) can use holograms to make themselves look like Ironman, however I have them divert power from that to make more powerful repulser rays and take evasive maneuvers.

So we have two Ironmen with lots and lots of drones. All zapping a very very weakened *by all means Kali should be dead, but I digress* Kali

In between the zapping, one of my Ironmen fires off the Negative Ionic energy gun and tech foam at the cyborg in that order:
http://img477.imageshack.us/my.php?image=negativeionicenergyhj4.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=techfoamcv3.jpg

The purpose of this is to weaken Kali even more, then glue all the hands together, thus not allowing it to create spells, which require (SIX) hand movements.

Once all this happens, I come out of my spot sphere where I have been constantly swimming through the spots just for fun, and do just one thing. I spot my hands to his head and give him a max charge set of duel repulser rays. The sheer concussive force will tear his head off. Period.

HOWEVER, lets do something not heard of in tournaments, well ever. Lets pretend my entire plan backfired, and he for reasons that I cannot begin to fathom was not even scratched by the bombs and survived without weakening himself at all. Let us remember the techno-organic virus I had spread through the bombs, and is on my armor(s) which can spread it. It is a parasite that eats away at the cellular/genetic level, and eats through both cybernetic parts and organic parts. Here we can see what happens when the Mandarin is infected by it:
http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=technoorganicvirus1eo6.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=technoorganicvirus2qc0.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=technokv3.jpg

All that happened in seconds. From exposure to old age, all just seconds.
Now I have already shown this scans in a different context, but lets look at them again:
http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=backgroundcheckdz1ip9.jpg
http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=die1qr3zg3.jpg
We know now that he CAN be affected by a virus, and being that he is techno-organic, this one will be particularly nasty.

Without proper protection against it, and knowing nothing about the particular one in use, he should have no suitable defense in the 10 minutes of prep even if he spent the entire time on just that. Then the plan can be picked up again with my superior numbers. Multiple hits from multiple angles with multiple weapons who can take you down and with Spots for protection.

Summary
With three different strategies giving YOU added advantages each time, I STILL win. Anyway you look at this I win based on his inability to do anything.

Leo has opted to have a 2-part writeup, which will count as his 1st post in the match.

leonidas wrote on Aug 6th, 2007 11:12 PM:

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Okay. Been a while. In a nutshell:

Kali is a 6-armed, cl100 cybernetic sorceress, capable of thinking/reacting at computer speeds. When focused on a target, she can employ a limited form of pre-cog to help predict and track her opponent’s movement – even those with superhuman speed. She has tactical teleportation, and the best array of senses in the tournament, capable of finding and pinpointing in a matter of SECONDS, a single organism across the entire United States. Her technopathy is the highest in the tournament, and her ability to use and ABUSE tech is unquestionably the best in the tournament.

All this has been proven via scans in my last couple matches. Now then, on to PREP:

PREP

Really, Kali is almost the perfect tool for destroying BW’s character. An enormously important point to keep in mind as you follow this battle is this: While neither DHII nor B8 are beyond ironman in powerlevel, BOTH have been created using tech that is FAR in advance of anything tony has. B8 comes from a future thousands of years in advance, where cybernetic organisms already RULE the galaxy. DHII is likewise advanced, having been created by the greatest scientists of his era via time-travel equipment with technology hundreds and even thousands of years beyond what Tony is currently working with. Add to that combination Spiral’s OWN knowledge and skill with beings both organic AND cybernetic, and you have a weapon that couldn’t have been more perfectly designed to counter any attack tony can muster, and to kill ironman. 🙂

so, what does this ultimate killing machine do during prep THIS time?

She studies. She learns EVERYTHING SINGLE THING there is to know about bw’s guys.

First, using the Kimoyo card, she learns of the existence of the avengers database. She downloads all available info on ironman and all his armor systems. 🙂 that task complete, she also downloads the ULTRON VIRUS, which may have already been present in the card anyway, to a subsystem (something DHII is capable of), or she simply teleports to the bodyshoppe to obtain a device capable of holding the virus safely.

With access to the avengers database and wakanda’s database, she learns about the existence of THE CAGE in seconds. THE CAGE is an ultra-high security prison built to house superhumans. she follows the trail and gathers all the information available to SHIELD and any other government agency that may have had a hand in constructing THE CAGE.

For those doubting indigo’s ability to scan all these databases – recall that indigo, at 8% POWER was capable of scanning for and finding a deactivated superman android from across the country. at 8% power she was capable of interfacing with AND overcoming all of STAR LABS defense systems, and of remotely activating AND controlling a superman android created with KRYPTONIAN technology.

http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=starlab2kk3.jpg

http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=startsandroidsupermanyi3.jpg

I do not exaggerate when I say scanning all the databases I mentioned above would likely take seconds. Factor in that DHII itself has downloaded and assimilated ALL OF THE INFO IN REED RICHARD’S COMPUTER SYSTEM IN SECONDS, and there can be absolutely no doubt about kali’s ability to both hack any man-made system, and to assimilate whatever data she wishes. With the kimoyo card’s data to point the way to systems she never knew existed, there is nearly no limit to what she could discover if she chose.

Armed with this absurd wealth of knowledge, and knowing nearly everything there is to know about stark’s armors, shaw, and the spot, she begins some final prep.

The thing that made THE CAGE so special was the fact that it was surrounded by a force field that negated all the powers of the inmates held there. And one of its inmates?

The spot. 🙂

With the design specs for the prison, it would be a simple matter for kali to duplicate the energy field which she could then project and in effect, use to cancel out spot’s abilities.

http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cageinfoip2.jpg

http://img456.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cageya0.jpg

to add to the plausibility of the plan, DHII has the ability to “recalibrate his own energy signature” – that is to say by analyzing information and data, he is capable of altering the energy patterns he uses. An ability taylor-made to what I’m doing.

http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p4su1.jpg

Given the information that B8 gathered, the DHII body is more than capable of recalibrating its energy patterns and finding a pattern that matches the data that was gathered.

It really is a very straight-forward process – locate info on THE CAGE, assimilate it and find an energy signature to match the force field that was erected around it.

Armed with said energy, and in possession of the ultron virus, (contained in whatever storage unit you wish to imagine – something that will also allow the virus to be released) kali casts a spell to amp B8's powerblasts, and waits for the battle to begin.

BATTLE

the first thing she does is locate bw and his ‘extra armors’ using her ridiculously high level senses that incorporate both tech AND magic. (I’m assuming for the moment bw is bringing them in as he did in previous rds). Once located, she uses b8's technopathy to try and take them over. If she can (and I’d really need to see a GREAT reason why she CAN’T given what she has already interfaced with in the past – doc magnus’s metal men, the superman android, cyborg, the STAR LABS equipment, . . . any and all of which are a close match for or may even EXCEED the level of tech tony uses) she commands them to her side and prepares to use them in battle against tony but NOT before kali assimilates all the data the armor’s possess. 🙂

if for whatever reason she CANNOT interface with them, she simply teleports them away to some random dimension. Either way, the extra armors are eliminated from the battle in the first few seconds.

http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=teleport4rr6.jpg

she then tries to take control of tony’s armor with a full-out technopathic assault. 🙂

bw will try and bring up some defense about how this is impossible and all that, however, the attack would AT LEAST cause him some grief for a short while, and force him to take effective counter-measures (if he can muster any – and given his inability to stop ulton on several occasions (see below) or even his inability to defeat a simple human-made TAPEWORM VIRUS, I see no reason to think he can actually fight off a technopathic assault from brainiac 8!!)

http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tapewormtw5.jpg

of course taking his armor over would effectively end the fight. I shut down all life support systems and shaw dies. 😬 simple as.

Assuming for one moment that he DOES fight off my technopathy, his systems would STILL be reeling for a short time -- and again there better be some CONVINCING proof to claim otherwise -- she teleports behind bw’s guy (once again tactical teleportation gives me a HUGE edge in this battle and of course her senses are MORE than sufficiant to ensure she does not land in a ‘spot’ . . . 🙄 ) and B8 instantly unleashes a gigajoule EMP (which she could likely reach on her own but amped as she is by spiral’s spell there is no DOUBT she could achieve gigajoule range) followed by this from indy:

http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=empcanonhd3.jpg

http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=techpowergk2.jpg

we see that a powerful enough emp CAN and WILL cause the armor a truckload of grief. The emp followed closely by indy's attack (which I’m sure bw will SAY he can defend but he will have absolutely ZERO proof to back up the claim . . .) should effectively take the armor, and any shields he may have erected) out of the fight. In the event that it does not, she places the storage device on what is left of his armor and the ULTRON VIRUS finishes it for good. As we can see, tony hasn’t had much success against ultron’s tech:

http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=virus1pb2.jpg

http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=virus2yp5.jpg

http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=102sd.jpg

i could also show scans of tony's armor becoming sentient and almost killing him while under the influence of teh ULTRON IMPERATIVES. 3 different armors, ALL still susceptible to ultron's attacks.

so, those tasks complete, she broadcasts THE CAGE forcefield around herself and the armor (the forcefield has been made large enough to contain a city block – she makes it less than one-fifth that size around them) and shuts off spot’s powers. If he has somehow tried to, I don’t know, surround himself in spots or something, I cast the forcefield FIRST, and from a bit further away, THEN follow it with the emp/pmp attack. If I need to rebroadcast the forcefield due to the emp, so be it. It takes only seconds.

So, in the first 10-20 seconds of the fight:

Tony’s armors under my control.
Or
Armor disabled.
And
Spot’s powers negated.

that leaves shaw trapped inside the armor. It’s possible he is strong enough to FORCE the armor to move despite it’s non-functionality, or maybe even tear his way out of it, but with it totally inoperable, a sustained sonic assault followed by multiple, cl100 attacks from edged weapons will finish him quick. It basically becomes shaw in an armored tomb v kali. I . . . don’t like those odds. ❌

leonidas wrote on Aug 6th, 2007 11:17 PM:
part 2. 🙂

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now, knowing bw, he’ll come up with some elaborate plan to try and take me out. Aside from bringing in other armors, (which I simply teleport to a random dimension as soon as I arrive OR I use B8's technopathy to take control of – she HAS taken control of the superman android, and krytptonian tech>tony’s tech 😉 ) he may try some form of technopathy himself – that is he may look to somehow control my body, or use some sort of virus (similar to what I’m trying to do to him) against ME. I know ironman has some decent feats (the techno-organic virus against mandarin, for instance is one that pops into mind) so it’s not a terrible option.

please remember – my tech>>ironman’s tech. That is vastly different from saying my POWER>>ironman’s, so don’t give me the ‘he should be banned’ nonsense. Dhii’s body is protected against intrusion of the sort he MAY try:

http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00ja51wu0.jpg

as far as any viruses or other intrusive tech, B8's technopathy would allow immediate analysis of the intruder and if it is technologically based she should be able to control it or stop it or purge it. But again – the likelihood of one of tony’s antiquated (by kali’s standards) intrusions affecting kali are next to zero ESPECIALLY given all the data she downloaded about him which would include info regarding the types of tech and viruses he may be able to utilize. Logically, she would be ready to counter anything he may be able to throw at her.

Knowledge is power – and I know the armors and their capabilities as well as anyone could POSSIBLY know them.

So, let’s recap quickly – shaw is useless, has been all the rds, so he is of zero concern. Basically this then is 3 on 2. I have shown repeatedly that tony’s armor can and HAS been compromised by various forms of intrusion, from ultron to lowly army-made viruses. Bw will use the same excuse he’s used all along – the armor will be advanced beyond those things and tony will have upgraded so the same things can’t happen.

Bull.
Crap.

Ultron affected even the EXTREMIS armor, and bw’s tech<extremis. Old armors AND the newer armors have been affected by a simple EMP. In the last few rds bw has tried to claim to everyone that the armor is ACTUALLY invincible, when in effect anyone who knows the character knows full-well that is NOT the case at all.

There are ALWAYS flaws in the armor, hence the reason it is ALWAYS a work-in-progress.

If there is a tech weakness, BRAINIAC 8 WILL FIND IT! If you don’t buy that, then the combo of BRAINIAC AND DHII will CERTAINLY be able to find it, given what I’ve shown about dhii’s ability to analyze and recalibrate it’s own methods of attack.

Assuming for a moment you don’t buy the idea that I can find info on THE CAGE and recreate the forcefield that negates the spot’s powers (which really seems pretty straightforward to me considering I have access to reed’s database, the avengers database, shield’s database, wakanda’s database, etc . . .) those powers are still pretty meaningless. Kali would be perfectly capable of stepping into a spot and feeling completely at home there – spiral is a fuggin INTER-DIMENSIONAL SORCERESS! The spot’s grant access to what? Other dimensions. She’d be like a fish in water. Given spot’s limited control of them, (a control bw’s guy seems to somehow have exceeded because much of what he’s tried to do are things spot himself has never been shown capable of . . .) the spots are a non-issue anyway. I particularly like the ‘spot-cuff’. Thing is, anytime someone wants to, they can simply . . . pull their hands OUT of the spots! 😂 spidey was PRETENDING to be captured in that now-famous spot-cuff scan. Had he wanted to, he could simply have pulled his hands out of the spots and beat on him as he has ALWAYS done! Hell, even the friggin grizzly figured that out! 😂

http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spot8kp9.jpg

on top of that, the idea that he has these ‘invincible defenses’ is also ludicrous. The spot HAS been ko’d both physically AND with energy blasts:

http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spot6fs2.jpg

http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spot7pq9.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zappedxi0.jpg

😂

if losers like grizzly and gibbon can take him out, and modok’s blasts can ko him, just how much ‘defense’ do the spots REALLY give? 😄 there is PLENTY of ‘real’ body to strike, despite the spots – and don’t forget, the more spots he employs offensively, the LESS spots cover his body:

http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spot5kv4.jpg

I can further debunk spot’s powers in the next post if I need to, but bw has done a masterful job of making spot’s very limited abilities APPEAR to be greater than they really are. Just bear that in mind as we go along. 🙂

so, there you have it. His flunkies are ported away or mine, his armor is under my control, or suitably kept busy fighting me off while I use high level emp/pmp attacks, viruses and finally knowledge to shut off both the armor AND the spots. Even if you don’t buy the spots being shut off, his armor is non-operational, shaw is entombed and the spots are pretty damn meaningless. Without the armor, it’s a trapped shaw with spot’s powers v kali. Not good . . .

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Astounding. Your really cunning Leo, but ladies and gentlemen please look at what he will be trying to do first:

Armed with said energy, and in possession of the ultron virus, kali casts a spell to amp B8's powerblasts, and waits for the battle to begin....the first thing she does is locate bw and his ‘extra armors’ using her ridiculously high level senses that incorporate both tech AND magic. Once located, she uses b8's technopathy to try and take them over. If she can..... she commands them to her side and prepares to use them in battle against tony but NOT before kali assimilates all the data the armor’s possess.

I will get to the technopathy part in a second, but I just wanted you all to see how futile his attempts would be anyways. He has no defense in place, and he starts off trying to find me. With the hydrogen fusion bombs having just gone off, he is dead. Period. Nothing can change that indisputable fact.

My plan takes precedence from the start of the fight all the way to the finish because of this fact. So as you can see my first post trumps his in terms of letting us know who is in total control of this fight.

Moving on let us deflate some of Leo's claims just to truly appreciate the win:

Indigo and her technopathy: The fact that I made sure my defenses were on tip top shape for these types of attacks, and the fact that you are already dead kinda negate this yea? Also, and this can be considered, but since I have stretched my spots out and am inside one of the spheres covered by them, would not the signal needed for "connection" to my armors be redirected through spots as it would have to pass through them to get to me??

Besides here is someone who is>>>>>>both of us in terms of tech/magic (one of the Eighth Day Examplars given total power from a "god" equal to cyttorak trying to take over Ironmans suit. He eventually does, but its no small feat considering who it is): http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsexemplars1i4ggrc4.jpg

And since Indigo has been jammed by human technology before (Ill get the scan later, dont have it on me) it should not really be a problem.

Ultron Code
Also about the Ultron Code *Specifically that code that ONLY attacks Ultron tech according to YOUR scan*: While I dont have that issue, what you showed was enough to know that I already HAVE a defense against it, mostly because I dont have Ultron hardware on me! I have Shaws body remember? But if you think that I by accident happen to get the artificial heart because it is considered tech (meaning I get two hearts). See the artificial heart, continually adapts itself. At first it needed to be charged, then it adapted to having its own power system. One time ghost phased through it and the next:

http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phasersee1.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=artificialheartur7.jpg

And again, we show it adapting and changing shape:

http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ultronheartxh3.jpg

So if you had already presented it with Ultron Code, it would have adapted to it *since obviously he is still alive*. Whats that all mean? The Ultron Code for the heart would no longer work! Also, since it seems to be able to adapt when Tony wants something done, it could conceivably give me even more defense against your technopathy!

So, what you are trying to do is introduce Ultron into my system? Or the self destruct codes that he has already evolved against? The first would just have you going against Ultron 😐 The second, well it will not work. 😬

Let us also realize that the ONLY reason that Ultron got into the Sentient Armor was because Tony downloaded Jocasta (who had Ultron programming). That would most definitely not be the case here.

Spirals magic
About your tactical teleportation/magical teleportation I can keep a lock on you:

http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=teleportsignatureeq4.jpg

Also, you could not magically teleport my armors away (AFTER the four hydrogen bombs!!) because the armors would be in constant movement and wouldnt you know that kinda hinders Spiral:

http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spiral7vg8mb1.jpg

I also want to see Spiral amp her own powers. Seriously, show me one time she amped herself up. Or something that truly amazes me, because some psi web isnt going to cut the amp-age you claim to have.

Cage Power dampener
The Cage uses a power dampener that needs to block the signals mentally from the body that controls said power after being scanned with probes. Being that I am covered in the Ironman suit, no such signal would pass through anyways. I would still have Spots powers. That is of course assuming that you can actually shift through every single piece of information that those databases have and happen to get that info, and that info happens to say how to construct said field with specifics on the energy. Your playing a guessing game where you want things to align perfectly.

HFK Spots
As to his spot defense, he has to either take them off his body and stretch them, or create them like I have shown he can do. Being that Tony is infinitely smarter than Spot, he would use the powers to a much greater extent than Spot would. Its logical conclusions one would have to using Spots powers, not just that Spot never thought to use them in that way.

Superior Tech
All this time you have been trying to prove that your tech is superior to mine, and yet every time Ironman goes into the future, or meets aliens his tech is still good enough to kick ass. Your underestimating the armor to a great degree if you think you can hack into my systems in a few seconds. Thats ludicrous and absurdly over exaggerates your "powers".

Also how did you manage to get the Kimoyo card? BP's personality does not equal = the card. Let us also realize that no one has all the information on the armors because Tony does not want anyone having that much information on his armor. I mean why do you think he went through all the trouble with the Armor War arc to destroy all armors?

Also, the only time I can remember that Indigo remotely accessed anything was the superman android that she really did not control since she ended up fighting him when he went wild. Let us not forget she was physically interfacing with the Star labs storage room to get him though. All other appearances I can think of she was in direct contact with a computer system to interface with it. I really cannot remember her taking over a computer system remotely. In fact how many times HAS she taken over a computer remotely?

Pointless? Of course!
Most of this does not really matter anyways since he went KABLOOM from the FOUR HYDROGEN FUSION BOMBS in the first second without any warning of it. You spent way to much time trying to take me over, or nullify me during prep instead of having a true offense or defense for the battle. Time is money, and you spent yours in the wrong way my friend. With you down from the very get go of the battle, my first post pretty much details in no uncertain terms what will happen. None of your strategies can come to fruition.

Again, my superior forces, that will not be taken over by you in your weakened state and that I dont think you can actually remotely take over a computer system with Indigo, will destroy you thanks to the hydrogen fusion bombs having effected you *if you know, they HAVENT destroyed you already 🙄 *. The tech foam most importantly hampers you from doing anything magical, the negative ionic gun makes you even weaker than normal, and the repulser rays to take you apart. Then you have to contend with the techno-organic virus that I have spread around with my armor(s). But that is only if people for some very very very, did I mention very odd reason believe you will survive my initial attack.

Summary:
My first attack while aggressive and ruthless, also happens to be very very effective! I doubt I NEED the other measures I have come up with, but being that I have them in use I can use them IF need be. But really you will not be surviving a hydrogen fusion bomb x4
Really can we just get the votes in already? Nothing you say can get you out of the pickle your in 😛

okay, let’s lay to rest some of our readers’ concerns for our heroine. 🙂

crazy-ass nukes: let me get this straight, Stark is gonna steal 4 nukes for a battle by creating spots big enough to haul out FOUR 50 megaton bombs? In two minutes.

*coughBULLSH!Tcoughcough*

You DO know how large those things are, right? If you’re talking about strictly the warheads, they are STILL very large (about the size of a car) and in order to do THAT you’d need to disable and dissect whatever it was mounted to.

in two minutes.

😐

IN TEN MINUTES that plan is utterly unbelievable and that’s if you were ONLY trying to get the nukes!!! But you also want to make your centers, and get your armor and gadgets. Coat the nukes with virus. NO ONE – with an ounce of common sense can possibly believe you can do all that in prep. And just because he’s secretary doesn’t mean he gets to use the USA’s nuclear arsenal as his toys! Like the armed forces – and the president – would just let ironman walk in and . . . take 4 nukes?? It’s not like you can show them TONY’s face! And I rather doubt shaw would be as convincing . . . Really, there are so many things wrong with your prep plan they are hard to ennumerate. And given their size, exactly HOW do you plan to drop them simultaneously?

Thank goodness, it’s moot. unfortunately for you 1 second is an ETERNITY to someone capable of scanning/assimilating BILLIONS of pieces of info in that second and quick enough to dodge close-range laser-fire.

And of course for someone who CAN become intangible. Sorry, bw already dealt with and ok’d by goob. Your comparison to spots was faulty – the REASON my intangibility was allowed was because it was strictly a DEFENSIVE maneuver. I won’t defend the issue further – if you have issues talk to goob. Or digi. 😬

so, assuming that it was logical to obtain 4 nukes in 2 OR 10 minutes: mistake #1

assuming I can’t sense/react quick enough to evade the bombs even IF someone actually believes you – mistake #2

assuming I can’t become intangible – mistake #3

and intangibility , incidentally, renders your air-born virus useless against me as well, though in truth, I’m gonna take a WILD stab and suggest that the nature and size of the bomb you set off would . . .

pretty much ANNIHILATE whatever virus you attached to it! 😂

attaching a virus to a nuke for dispersion – mistake #4

so, nukes dismissed, air-born virus dismissed.

onto the skin armor: you know, the armor that I showed in my scan that gets taken out by the emp. 😂 yep, the exact armor – actually, the armor in MY scan was the skin armor after it had been UPGRADED 2 or 3 generations! If that emp took out the highest evolution of skin, imagine what it would do to the prototype skin and ALL the armors that are below THAT version . . . 😖hifty: hell, even more RECENT models have been taken out by emp:

http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thorclonevstonystarkge8.jpg

so, choosing the skin armor – mistake #5 – a big one as the SKIN has a vulnerability everyone can see and which I take DIRECT advantage of.

to your point about what I would be doing first –

the first thing she does is locate bw and his ‘extra armors’ using her ridiculously high level senses that incorporate both tech AND magic.

“Using her ridiculously high level senses . . .”

m’man – I walk into the match with ALL my senses scanning the entire battlefield searching for you!

Am I looking for your armor? Sure. Does that mean I wouldn’t detect the spot energy, or the build-up of the nukes? The hell kinda reasoning is that . . .? She went in SCANNING the battlefield! You think she would just . . . skip over the spots and nukes? Someone this smart and capable of using THIS type of tech would just . . . miss what you’re trying to do:

http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sensorskf5.jpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sensors2ki8.jpg

❌

spot-centers: Any proof – at all – to suggest you’re capable of creating anything REMOTELY CLOSE to these ‘spheres’ ? I mean, you can’t BEND the spots to make them round, so, regardless of how much you stretch them you would STILL need a HUGE number of spots to make a complete sphere the size of what you need. Hell, I SERIOUSLY doubt you would have enough spots to create a SINGLE ‘sphere’ that would be large enough to do what you want. Again, these bombs of yours aren’t friggin grenades. Yet you’re going to hold all 4 and drop all of them simultaneously? How? ALL in 10 minutes?? It really defies logic.
but again, it’s moot – I react and turn intangible. No harm done regardless of HOW you feel about the bombs. the spheres are harmless to me anyway as they are just hideouts for you.

the extra armors/drones: are under my control, are taken out by the same emp that takes out shaw’s armor, or I just teleport them away. Between pre-cog, intangibility, computer reactions tactical teleporting, and matter manip, they would never threaten OR touch me even if I allowed them to stick around. as far as their movement hindering me: there are actually SEVERAL of her spells that require both time and a still target. I think any reasonable person would conclude that nullifying the power of ALL THE AVENGERS is a rather LARGE spell that may require some added time and concentration to cast . . .

Teleportation? Not so large. ❌ The BULK of her spells are not hindered IN THE LEAST by movement. I could scan-blitz proof, but these are just a couple to back it up:

http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=powerreverse2ok6.jpg

http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spells2dz8.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spells3ia9.jpg

hell, even blob was in the middle of a battle when she teleported him.

Assuming she can’t use a spell on a moving target: mistake #6

post 3

I await convincing proof that the armors can withstand b8's technopathic assault. Showing one of the avatars SUCCEEDING in controlling the armor isn’t of much help . . . And they certainly weren’t equal to cyttorak in power. Regardless – considering such notable “super” villains as the mad thinker and . . . the GLITCH 😂 have succeeded in taking control of various armors, call me crazy, but I’m thinking technopathy is not a bad route.

your virus:

(1) it needed physical contact to be administered to mandarin, so I’m not sure how you assume you can ‘project it’, like a blast or something. You gonna whip THAT up in your eternal 10 minutes as well? 😂 Besides, you’ll never touch me this whole battle.
(2) all of dhii’s organic components are HEAVILY protected (see scan in opening post). The PERFECTION virus that you showed affecting him in that scan was created 100s of years in the future. Your antiquated virus would be meaningless, given the level of tech dhii is equipped with.
(3) while studying, kali would have, with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, come across knowledge of that virus which cybermancer helped him create. Between b8's technopathic abilities and spiral’s knowledge of both tech AND organic properties, there can be no doubt whatsoever that kali would have already been prepared (through spells or tech) to deal with this particular virus.

Any SINGLE of the above reasons would be enough for any rational person to say your virus’s odds of working – even if you DID somehow succeed in touching me to infect me before your armor was shut down and shaw was entombed – are next to nil.

last few points:

Also about the Ultron Code *Specifically that code that ONLY attacks Ultron tech according to YOUR scan*:

😕

not sure where you get that idea from . . . I showed the scans really just to show that his armor CAN be taken over and hacked. Ultron’s tech has allowed him to do it several times. Mad thinker has done it and a computer hacker named glitch has done so! His defenses couldn’t even fend off a fuggin TAPEWORM virus (which was AGAIN the 3rd gen skin armor!)! Yet you think he will be able to TOTALLY resist kali’s technopathy? There’s a reason he gave up the skin – it wasn’t very effective. ❌

The Cage uses a power dampener that needs to block the signals mentally from the body that controls said power after being scanned with probes. Being that I am covered in the Ironman suit, no such signal would pass through anyways. I would still have Spots powers.

😂

if the armor actually DID block the mental signals as you say, you wouldn’t be able to CREATE the spots outside your armor! Cool! 😱

assuming for a moment the armor DOES let your thoughts through though, the cage field would work brilliantly. 😄

Also how did you manage to get the Kimoyo card?

my bad. I meant to say I have all the INFO that was contained in the card.

Let us also realize that no one has all the information on the armors because Tony does not want anyone having that much information on his armor.

the info I WOULD have been able to find would have been enormous – enough for BP to know to use the code AND a negator pack against you. He learned your weaknesses – I would have as well. And you are using an OLDER ARMOR!

Also, the only time I can remember that Indigo remotely accessed anything was the superman android that she really did not control since she ended up fighting him when he went wild.

she PROGRAMMED it to go wild. She deactivated it after it performed it’s requested feat – killing donna. And she controlled/reprogrammed it WHILE it was held in stasis, deactivated AND locked behind STAR LABS own defense systems. My first scan also shows her overriding STAR’S SYSTEMS remotely – as she remotely reprogrammed the droid. Both of those are uber feats if you know anything at all about STAR LAB tech or kryptonian tech. AND SHE WAS OPERATING AT ONLY 8% POWER! Indigo rocks!

The tech foam most importantly hampers you from doing anything magical, the negative ionic gun makes you even weaker

heh. Sweet. But you mean after I use a power reversal spell, they further weaken YOU, right?

http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=powerreverse1xg7.jpg

and that’s that. Nukes are an utterly illogical tactic (cripes, it’s entirely IMPOSSIBLE given the 10 minute time-frame and considering everything else he intends to try and do . . .) Even if you ignore logic and believe he CAN use them (picture how that would actually look? How would he even drop all 4 at the same time when they are so large – inside a ‘spot center’ that he cannot even prove he could make!) my array of senses were operating at full power the instant I stepped into the battle! My computer reaction speed stretches a second into forever and gives me AMPLE time to turn intangible, while the explosion wipes out his antiquated virus. There is no way he could have equipped his armor to PROJECT the virus in the time granted for prep. Once the smoke clears I emp the whole lot of them. Really, it IS that simple.

BE CLEAR – ONCE I SENSE THE ARMORS THEY ARE FINSHED.

Take your pick how: teleportation, emp or technopathy, matter manip. And yes, matter manip CAN be used on a moving target:

http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mattermanipdb4.jpg

I have shown repeated evidence emps can take out his armors, and evidence that shows his systems are NOT as ‘invincible’ as he wants you to believe.

i follow up with indy’s electrical attack (if necessary) to be sure and I don’t even NEED the ultron stuff. If shaw stays in the silly spot center, I use the forcefield to shut off his powers then hit him with another emp. Simple as. Or I take control of the armor and shut down life support, or blast it until shaw is hamburger inside, or use sonics . . . Anyway you cut it, the armor(s) are rendered useless and shaw is entombed in SKIN and at my mercy.

ALL HIS ATTACKS ACCOUNTED FOR AND DISMISSED. All of mine, working just fine. 🙂

Uh-oh, somebody has to get back to the drawing board . . .

Just to bump it over to this thread rather than just discussion, here is our judge list:

- batdude
- DC
- Smurph
- Bada
- Soljer

Originally posted by leonidas
crazy-ass nukes: let me get this straight, Stark is gonna steal 4 nukes for a battle by creating spots big enough to haul out FOUR 50 megaton bombs?

Yep. Good thing we are on the same page with my opening. I mean just teleporting there and stealing them quickly seems like the way to go no?

I mean your the one who posted scans from Spiderman's Tangled Web where he was in "the cage". Heres a scan from the same comic *yes I know the spot looks yellow*
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bigspotov8.jpg

Another spot they would fit in if they were created under them individually:
http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w2609hj2.jpg

NO ONE – with an ounce of common sense can possibly believe you can do all that in prep. Really, there are so many things wrong with your prep they are hard to enumerate.

Well man you just
A) Insulted some people (Judges do you LIKE being insulted? Didnt think so!)
B) Did not realize I just was gonna steal em.
C) Told us you cannot count to zero! 😱

Unfortunately for you 1 second is an ETERNITY to someone capable of scanning/assimilating BILLIONS of pieces of info in that second

Oh dammit you are right. I mean with Indigo/B8 being able to react at almost Flash like speed this should be a piece of cake for you. I will even do you the favor and show all these good people some of her reaction speeds (and all are scans are of B8 the "supped" up version):

Here is one where she assimilates billions of pieces of info and reacts accordingly:
http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indigo09od6.jpg

Oh wait, oops sorry wrong scan. Here lemme fix that. Here Jade gets a whole monologue and of course B8 reacts with FTL speeds:
http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledscanned11de2.jpg
http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledscanned12bzd9.jpg

DAMMIT. Something must be up with imageshack since it wont let me show her uber reaction scans. Here lemme see of I can do it this time:
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indigo16vz5.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indigo17np2.jpg

Maybe if I show her high level senses?
http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indigo03sd0.jpg
http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indigo04lc4.jpg

I wonder.....maybe I will try again later and see if I can show them those super reaction speeds and senses of yours, k pumpkin? 🙄

And of course for someone who CAN become intangible. Sorry, bw already dealt with and ok’d by goob. I won’t defend the issue further – if you have issues talk to goob. Or digi.

Well its a good thing I did talk to them then isnt it? Basically this scan:
http://img464.imageshack.us/my.php?image=intangibilityvh4nx7.jpg
Is NOT intangibility. Its a complicated teleportation spell that takes you to another dimension. Guess what Goober says about that?

"Well in that case...Your argument just got a whole lot easier. If leo actually transports himself away (even if it is only for a split second) that's leaving the battlefield which is NOT allowed. So just point out that the technique is actually teleportation rather than intangibility and your case on the matter is pretty much made"

Guess it sucks to give me advice, yes?

so, assuming that it was logical to obtain 4 nukes in 2 OR 10 minutes: mistake #1
assuming I can’t sense/react quick enough to evade the bombs even IF someone actually believes you – mistake #2
assuming I can’t become intangible – mistake #3
attaching a virus to a nuke for dispersion – mistake #4

Interesting. "Mistake" 1 was brilliant, "mistake" 2 was shown to be true, and "mistake" 3 came back to haunt you. 4 was a calculated risk, as I can still spread it through the armors.

onto the skin armor: you know, the armor that I showed in my scan that gets taken out by the emp. 😂 yep, the exact armor – actually, the armor in MY scan was the skin armor after it had been UPGRADED 2 or 3 generations! so, choosing the skin armor – mistake #5 – a big one as the SKIN has a vulnerability everyone can see and which I take DIRECT advantage of.

SAYWHAA? So many mistakes in that paragraph. First of all the scan you showed was the TIN MAN armor (mark 2?) *as in NOT the skin armor which was before*. I would be wearing the TIN MAN armor (mark 5?) with the skin liquid as an extra. So please try not to make faulty assumptions again.

blah blah blah I get killed the first instant of battle because I cant actually do anything the first second

Your over exaggeration of Indigo's reactions will not help you. Spiral's consciousness will not help with that, and even if they did she can be hit (rouge being a prime example). Or maybe you meant DHII? Ive already shown scans of thing being able to react to him. Damn man I really dont know where you think you can react with flash like reflexes.

spot-centers: Any proof – at all – to suggest you’re capable of creating anything REMOTELY CLOSE to these ‘spheres’ ? I mean, you can’t BEND the spots to make them round, so, regardless of how much you stretch them you would STILL need a HUGE number of spots to make a complete sphere the size of what you need.

uhsah? Its covering me and my "men". Think of a cube of spots, with extra spots covering the spaces left by the main six. I mean Tony is an engineer I am sure he can figure something that simple out. The bombs are outside the sphere, and have spots appear under them. They drop and open up where they need to be.

but again, it’s moot – I react and turn intangible. No harm done regardless of HOW you feel about the bombs.

Man too bad that got the ax. Not that you could react fast enough anyways. It would be assuming you could move your six hands fast enough to preform the magic and then teleport away before the blast hit you, and stay in the other dimension while it was happening. Either way? ITS ALL BANNED.

(1) it needed physical contact to be administered to mandarin
(2) all of dhii’s organic components are HEAVILY protected
(3) while studying, kali would have, with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, come across knowledge of that virus which cybermancer helped him create.

1) It can be projected through an airborn passage. Ironman has done the same with reverse engineered nanobots 😬

2) Yea, care to show that? Your amping your characters body a wee too much me thinks.

3) So your gonna just tell me, without proof that just because she is looking for random data, she will come across this specific little detail? Thats absurd to assume she can know ALL things.

not sure where you get that idea from. I showed the scans really just to show that his armor CAN be taken over and hacked. Ultron’s tech has allowed him to do it several times. Mad thinker has done it. There’s a reason he gave up the skin, it wasn’t very effective

Do you read your own scans? 😕
http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=102sd.jpg
It would only effect the artificial heart, if I even have it (does that count as tech for my character?) Even if it did, I have already shown it would have adapted.

Mad Tinker used ultrasonics WAAAAAAAY back in the day if I am not mistaken, and Ironman soon fixed that problem. And again you show your lack of knowledge on the subject matter as that was not the SKIN armor, nor am I USING the SKIN armor. I am actually using SKIN + my regular armor.

heh. Sweet. But you mean after I use a power reversal spell, they further weaken YOU, right?
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=powerreverse1xg7.jpg

Ha. Thats funny. So after you got blown to bits by the hydrogen bombs you think you still have enough hands to preform a spell? Since you know it takes Spiral using her hands to do the magic. And this is even IF you survive, which really you should have no reason to.

My computer reaction speed stretches a second into forever and gives me AMPLE time to turn intangible

BE CLEAR – ONCE THE BOMBS GO OFF I DIE

Too true my friend, too true

Blast it until shaw is hamburger inside, or use sonics

Some scans that show him absorbing energy
Rouge/Gambit
http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page18sm0fl1.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page19xz8es3.jpg

Holocaust:
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xforce48p13zm4la3.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xforce48p14au8cv9.jpg

SUMMARY

4 Hydrogen Fusion Bombs: Check
His reactions NOT at flash like levels?: Check
Having blown his "intangibility" trick out of the water: Check
Him dying in the first second of battle? Priceless

Your battle plans take too much time. Mine does not have that problem.

You said it best when you said:

ALL HIS ATTACKS ACCOUNTED FOR AND DISMISSED -thanks to my super bombs- All of mine, working just fine. 🙂

Uh-oh, somebody has to get back to the drawing board . . .

Ok folks sorry for the confusion but what Blair said about leo's teleporting is true. For some reason, I've been under the impression that leo was just shunting his mass off to another dimension in a manner similar to Martian Manhunter, I didn't realize that he was actually teleporting away. My allowing leo to do that would be right along the same lines as my allowing Blair to go to the Spot Dimension to avoid attacks, and I've always said that that kind of thing isn't allowed. So my apologies to leo for OKing it and then flip flopping, but I guess I just never paid close enough attention to the scan to notice.

Thanks to goober for clearing that up. Since it is an overturned ruling mid-match, it shouldn't really count against the participants in their earlier posts. Everything involving this should probably just be stricken from the record in terms of judging, and I'm sure both strategies will change somewhat as the result. Everything else, obviously, still holds true for both posters' strategies however.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Thanks to goober for clearing that up. Since it is an overturned ruling mid-match, it shouldn't really count against the participants in their earlier posts. Everything involving this should probably just be stricken from the record in terms of judging, and I'm sure both strategies will change somewhat as the result. Everything else, obviously, still holds true for both posters' strategies however.

Excellent debating guys 👆

🙂

Ladies and gentlemen, mr. blair wind!

clap

he’ll be performing until Wednesday evening, so be sure to catch his final show! 😄

if this were the kmc’s version of last comic standing, bw MIGHT have a chance. Still, with guys like smurf and val . . .

nah, he’d STILL lose. 😬

Anywho, back to debunking his ridiculous strategy.

The idea that he actually BELIEVES he can:

--gather all his gizmos – skin armor, other armors, virus
--jack 4 nukes, the size of small buildings, from a nuclear base
--coat them with a virus
--create a way to project a virus that must be transmitted by touch
--create giant spot centers
--and reprogram all the nukes

inside of 10 MINUTES?

😐

well, seriously, there is nothing else that I should have to say. The whole idea is utterly, in every possible way, ridiculous and anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that clear as day.

But, for the hell of it, let’s go with it for a bit:

With these things done Tony starts the timer on the self destruct feature of the bombs with remote access. With ten seconds left he inputs 11 seconds of time.

sweet! Except that a self-destruct on a nuke is a FAIL SAFE. It causes the bomb to explode WITHOUT detonating the nuke! 😂 oops . . .

As it happens, tony HAS been faced with the threat of stopping nukes in the past and was UNABLE to simply use the AI in his armor to reprogram them. He needed to muck with their GUIDANCE systems to stop them because he was unable to simply alter their programming.

http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nukeski5.jpg

and he could barely do THAT – and he DESIGNED the guidance systems! Nukes aren’t exactly pipe bombs, even for tony!! There are also redundancy codes that would be needed to activate a timer on a warhead – IF A WARHEAD EVEN HAS A TIMER! This isn’t a fuggin alarm clock!! Somehow, he sees himself as being able to simply . . . pop the hood on one of those things and set it like an alarm clock or something. ❌ even as secretary, there is no way he would know the codes for each nuke, and while his armor may be able to crack them, given time – he HAS no time in which to crack all the codes!

The plan is so ludicrous that it beggars description.

Something else that would prevent him from even WANTING to get the nukes:

bw showed scans of SINGLE spots capable of housing one missile at a time. Because there is NO WAY he could use enough SMALL spots to make the centers . . .

In order to build his spot centers, he would need to simultaneously open FOURTEEN spots, even LARGER than the largest SINGLE spots he has ever been shown to make!!

🤨

is he kidding? He can’t POSSIBLY think anyone would buy that. That’s tantamount to saying because indy controlled 1 superman android, she could easily control 15 of the most advanced versions of ultron – simultaneously! Honestly, can any claim be more baseless??

In order to house all the nukes, the center would need to be ENORMOUS! Maybe 4, 5 stories high? bigger?? On top of that, he needs: 4 MORE huge spots INSIDE the spot center, and 4 more huge spots OUTSIDE the center to drop the nukes through and have them reappear. That is 14 – FOURTEEN!! – enormous spots, all open at the same time, and EACH spot is larger than the LARGEST spot he has ever been shown to make. Beyond even THAT, to make sure the nuke’s energy doesn’t simply go through the spots in his center and hit HIM, he needs to open OTHER spots to shunt the energy away from him. And his other armors. Seriously – what the hell??? Show me the spot realm absorbing an energy attack. It CERTAINLY didn’t absorb MODOK’S attack as I showed in my first post. By rights, the energy of the nuke should simply pass through his spots and FIND him! If it doesn’t, he will have needed to open OTHER spots before-hand.

Do you know how many spots you are dealing with, and how large and how precisely you are attempting to open and control them? 😑

be clear here folks: spot himself has never come CLOSE to doing anything within a LIGHTYEAR of what you’re trying!!

Now, add to all that insanity the fact that I’ve ALREADY shown proof that he runs out of spot energy – spidey let him use up his spots and simply punched him in the mouth. What in all of hell would convince ANYONE that he has enough power to create anything CLOSE to what he is trying to do??

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL TO SUGGEST HE WOULD BE CAPABLE OF IT. THE ONLY EVIDENCE THAT EXISTS SUGGESTS EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE!

now I know bw is pretty good at muddying the waters, and his jokes are cute, and his bravado is pretty convincing to the simple-minded, but seriously – THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME EVIDENCE TO BACK HIS CLAIM! He has never made TWO large spots at the same time, let alone 14!! And he STILL needs more because he is ALSO trying to create 2 OTHER spot centers and shunt the nukes energy AWAY from himself AND his other armors!!

Holy crap . . .

he can try and be as witty as he likes – I have SHOWN YOU PROOF that there is a limit to his spots. For his part, he has shown exactly ZERO evidence to suggest he can create anything remotely CLOSE to the size of these centers, nor has he shown anything resembling evidence to support the idea he could CONTROL so many spots so precisely. Nor WILL he show you proof. He’ll simply make it seem like it’s ridiculous that he CAN’T do it. And he says I’M insulting judges. Least I don’t believe anyone would actually FALL for that load of utterly BASELESS crap. 😉

and of course, if he can’t have a safe-haven to hide in, he would never use the bombs that he could never retrieve and reprogram in time ANYWAY. 🙂

another thing – he never DID address the point about just how he would drop all 4 of his fantasy-bombs SIMULTANEOUSLY! The damn things are HUGE!! I said 18-wheeler, but (judging by my earlier scan) likely larger – much larger – than that even.

If you stop and remind yourself exactly what it is he is trying to do – imagine the whole process in your head – the whole thing is . . . ludicrous. Really. And he thinks he can do it all in under 10 minutes. I’ve seen a lot of these tournaments, and some . . . whacked-out plans, but this plan defies comprehension.

He even leads us to believe that somehow his ARMOR is directing the spots, opening them. But of course it’s tony’s mind that directs them (notice how he seems to think his mental powers to projects the spots WILL reach beyond his armor after all . . . . guess that means the CAGE forcefield will work just fine then. 😄 ). That means tony would be doing the count down, and counting down to the last second before opening a spot would be . . . pretty fuggin risky, because he would still have to project all FOUR spots to their locations – and again, opening spots like that, of that size, simultaneously – is a feat unlike ANYTHING spot has ever accomplished before.

Damn, bra – make with some evidence or hit the drawing board again already . . .

Of course, in his defense he NEEDS the nukes, because without them, he knows he is utterly screwed. So, let’s say someone out there actually (heheh) BELIEVES a single thing he has said, and he actually has the nukes, and everything goes according to his plan.

Good thing it’s such a bad plan that there are MULTIPLE ways to dismiss it! 😱

now, about my ability to assimilate/process/react quickly enough. Here is indy – operating at a measly 33% of her power – locating a single cyborg after first scanning the ENTIRE USA!! She then teleports directly ON TOP OF him in 3 seconds.

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there are other examples of her scanning and assimilating large databases, but scanning the entire USA in a second (at 33% power!) is pretty damn impressive. now in this match, she goes IN to the match actively scanning, at FULL power, and her senses are enhanced by both dhii (with fully functioning computer brain!) and spiral who also has PRE-COG. Oh, and the battlefield is . . . somewhat smaller than the continental USA! I’ve already repeatedly shown dhii dl’ing the sum-total of reed richards computer system in SECONDS, but here again are his reactions (actually they are dhi – but dhii assimilated him and has all his abilities AND more, including a far more advanced body and mind!) to close-range LASER FIRE!

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fast indeed . . .

as bw was going through trying to discredit her ability to react at computer-level speeds, I was waiting for him to show me a scan of rhino punching spiderman, or cap boomerang hitting flash! 😂

unfortunately for you, my friend, she CAN react quickly enough to understand what is happening and take steps to avoid it.

But, but, but . . . she can’t turn intangible! Whatever shall our heroine do?? Well . . . she’ll just teleport. 🙂

where, you ask? Why, into the only safe-haven in the battlefield of course – she ports into a spot center – the biggest one there is – and unloads her emp.

Shaw in the center is entombed in the armor and at my mercy. Again. (Seems to always come back to that, don’t it? And when he IS trapped, he’s sssooooo screwed. I doubt he could even MOVE in something that is near adamantium hardness . . . )

**Oh, and you’re right – I confused the armor from my scan with the skin armor – HOWEVER, why did tony abandon the skin in the first place? BECAUSE IT WAS COMPROMISED BY ULTRON. The ultron code would CERTAINLY impact the outer layer of SKIN that you coated yourself with and make your life inside the skin a living hell! 😂 **

If you don’t like that option – I could always just unload the emp BEFORE the fantasy-bombs go off at all. They ARE run by computers and electronic systems. An emp would stop them instantly from exploding.

If you don’t like that, and are into a little something special, I could always just unleash the CAGE forcefield and wipe out his spot shields.

BOOM! We BOTH die. 🙂

still, a lot easier to simply teleport, bypass your shields and surprise the holy hell out of you with a crippling emp. Or technopathy – if mad thinker and friggin glitch – GLITCH!! – can do it, I should be able to cause you no END of trouble. Or I could use the dreaded tapeworm virus! 😂 regardless, battle over.

you see, he NEEDS the nukes to work. Me? I don’t care whether you believe they work or not, though it is truly incomprehensible how someone can look at that plan and buy that he can do all of what he’s saying in 10 fracking minutes. The scans I’ve showed DO provide proof kali can react quick enough (though it is pretty damn impossible to believe (like the rest of what he’s trying to sell) that he would willingly cut it to the last second . . .) to figure out what is happening and simply port away to the only safe place around. The inside of his ridiculous ‘sphere’.

Of course, he has not nor WILL he provide any evidence at all to support the idea he can use spots to create anything CLOSE to the size of these centers he wants to make. And without them, he either doesn’t USE the bombs, or dies with me.

he has provided exactly ONE way to defeat me. The bombs. I have provided MULTIPLE ways to not only bypass his singular hope, but of taking him out once I DO get my grubby hands on his hide-and-seek playing, chicken-sh!t-yellow arse. 😄 that’s WHY he needs to hide in his silly centers. Because once he’s out, he is finished via emp, cage forcefield, technopathy, power reversal or virus. No matter how you cut it, it ends quickly once he comes out of hiding. And everyone knows it.

On the plus side though, at least his posts are funny . . .

And there we have it folks. The last minute long winded posts of a desperate man.

The idea that he actually BELIEVES he can do his prep, The whole idea is utterly, in every possible way, ridiculous and anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that clear as day.

Skipping your announcer intro, it really boggles the mind how you cant believe a teleporter could do many things in a short amount of time. Also, you have a nasty habit of insulting people "who have no common sense".

sweet! Except that a self-destruct on a nuke is a FAIL SAFE. It causes the bomb to explode WITHOUT detonating the nuke! 😂 oops As it happens, tony HAS been faced with the threat of stopping nukes in the past and was UNABLE to simply use the AI in his armor to reprogram them. He needed to muck with their GUIDANCE systems to stop them because he was unable to simply alter their programming.

umm...I am going to think you know perfectly well self destruct as in the warhead. Let us also realize the scan you showed was from the early 90's.

A) His armor has upgraded substantially. Showing us a MUCH older model will do you no good, not against Ironman.
B) As Secretary of Defense he would already have half the codes needed. The armor can remote access the rest of it.

Nukes aren’t exactly pipe bombs, even for tony!! and while his armor may be able to crack them, given time – he HAS no time in which to crack all the codes!

The armor would crack it. What would take a conventional computer 6 years to run through a code program, it takes him about 6 minutes. And thats an armor from the 90s! With his armor upgrades, being that he already knows half the codes, and that he is the super genius he is there is no room for doubt that he could do it in the alloted time period. Here we have him making some missiles his bitch after what seems like just a minute or two and all he would have to say is activate instead of abort:
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In order to build his spot centers, he would need to simultaneously open FOURTEEN spots, even LARGER than the largest SINGLE spots he has ever been shown to make!!

🤨 Do you read? The spot command centers would be around me and my men only! Why would I want those nukes inside a spot with me?? They would be outside, and would be spotted away with ONE spot under each one to the desired area. Hell EVEN IF I DIDNT SPOT THEM AWAY being that they are four of them the blast would STILL incinerate you while I am safe in my spot sphere. These are small spheres people, just to fit me and my men individually.

Let us also realize that he exaggerates a GREAT deal when it comes to the size of these warheads. The biggest one ever created that we know of (public) is about the size of a "large" car.

Beyond even THAT, to make sure the nuke’s energy doesn’t simply go through the spots in his center and hit HIM, he needs to open OTHER spots to shunt the energy away from him.

So now that we realize we dont need fourteen super huge spots, lemme say WHA? The spots that I create my spot sphere from, they would shunt any energy out (since it doesnt go through one side to the other of course). The spots absorb energy, and it would shunt the energy into the spot dimension. Simple as my friend. Or if you want to get more complicated, it would redirect it to another spot on the outside part of the sphere. I wouldnt need to create more spots. Your trying to over exaggerate the Spots, or simply are not understanding simple dimensions.

spidey let him use up his spots and simply punched him in the mouth. What in all of hell would convince ANYONE that he has enough power to create anything CLOSE to what he is trying to do??

Uh, the fact that he THREW those spots from his body and had close to 100 just lying around in his personal playground? These spots would be CREATED. Its not spot energy, its the fact that there is an infinite number of spots in the spot dimension that he can CREATE from. Throwing them from his body, like the idiot spot is, depletes him of the spots on his BODY. Two very different things my friend.

Originally posted by leonidas
He even leads us to believe that somehow his ARMOR is directing the spots, opening them. But of course it’s tony’s mind that directs them.

Here is indy – operating at a measly 33% of her power – locating a single cyborg after first scanning the ENTIRE USA!! She then teleports directly ON TOP OF him in 3 seconds.
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Also wanted to say, man Indigo sucks. Here she is getting JAMMED by the FEARSOME FIVE! And you expect her to go against Ironman??!
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she can’t turn intangible! Whatever shall our heroine do?? Well she’ll just teleport.Why, into the only safe-haven in the battlefield of course – she ports into a spot center

The spot centers that ONLY surround me? That are only big enough for one person? You'd die by teleporting inside of me basically which I am FAIRLY certain is an illegal move. So sorry, but your intangible and teleporting trick are not going to help you much. So lets see what BS move your going to try now? No more ways to move? Didnt think so. Besides you teleport to me, and get touched by my virus. Man youd be dead.

Shaw in the center is entombed in the armor and at my mercy. Again. (Seems to always come back to that, don’t it? And when he IS trapped, he’s sssooooo screwed. I doubt he could even MOVE in something that is near adamantium hardness . . . )

HOWEVER, why did tony abandon the skin in the first place? BECAUSE IT WAS COMPROMISED BY ULTRON.

You should stop reading bios 😂 it was compromised because Ultron was inside the Sentient armor, and thats the only reason in fact. Besides he was not even able to control Ironmans SKIN, it was just a complicated arc where he took SKIN and put it on a cult of people. So no, none of the code would work.

If you don’t like that option – I could always just unload the emp BEFORE the fantasy-bombs go off at all.

The EMP would have to reach the bombs, fry the systems, all before they go BOOM in the very first second. 😐 And before she was jammed! ha.

I could always just unleash the CAGE forcefield and wipe out his spot shields. BOOM! We BOTH die. 🙂

Of course, he has not nor WILL he provide any evidence at all to support the idea he can use spots to create anything CLOSE to the size of these centers he wants to make.

Yet again your wasting time with trying to say my spots are huge. They really are not. Its just a small sphere for ME and my MEN. Really now man its NOT that complicated.

SUMMARY:
He goes BOOM. Simple as my friend. Why over complicate matters? He has no way of winning this. My bombs are all I NEED to win this fight. Anything else is just overkill. It seems he keeps trying various ways to overcome my bombs, and each time failing. Maybe it just shows he KNOWS he cant survive the bombs, and is trying like a desperate man to keep his head above water. He IS scared of them you can tell because well for all his various attempts at discrediting them, he has shown us that he cannot avoid them. He first tried intangibility and failed, a teleporting trick that does not make sense (in ONE second, AND in space that is already occupied?!), or an EMP again in ONE second?! NOTHING he has down has proven he can beat the bombs going off. Then you take into account my superior numbers, and techno-organic virus?! I have the superior plan hands down. Vote HFK for the win!
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Time is up. I will have my vote in tomorrow.

judge list:

- batdude
- DC
- Smurph
- Bada
- Soljer

i thought this went til WED at midnight. 😬

damn. now that he clarified in a last second post, i would have loved to point out a few more . . . issues with his 'plan' . . .