Aizen Sosuke Vs Magneto

Originally posted by llagrok
I've read Bleach since chapter 8 was released and watched the anime since day one. Aizen has never performed ANYTHING that can be compared to Magneto.

I don't care what you call PIS on Ak, because Magneto has withstood attacks from all of the Avengers at the same time. Including blasts and strikes from Mjolnir. That's planet busting attacks. Let's not mention his ability to rip NEO members Rax and Salvo apart with a mere gesture. That's people with enhanced strength, speed, endurance and so on. He can reverse people's bloodflow to completely shut off any powers or he can just kill them.

Aizen has NO way of getting past Magneto's shield and I've yet to see the Bleach character perform any form of attacks strong enough to level a city. Which means that they basically stand no chance against Magneto.

You're better off matching Aizen up against someone who can't form shields and has to fight physically. Telepathic attacks/illusions/hypnosis wouldn't work on Magneto. Either he can choose to simply resist it or use his helmet. Which he always has with him.

the helmet ability to block telepathy feature has only appeared in the movies and in Ultimate Magneto. And when the hell has he blocked planet busting attacks, I was only aware of him blocking two nukes, and that was when he was using a high powered machine to manipulate the entire magnetic field of the earth.

Originally posted by Akuki
the helmet ability to block telepathy feature has only appeared in the movies and in Ultimate Magneto.

And in new x-men..... and Polaris did it....

Originally posted by llagrok
And in new x-men..... and Polaris did it....

Originally posted by llagrok
I've read Bleach since chapter 8 was released and watched the anime since day one. Aizen has never performed ANYTHING that can be compared to Magneto.

So, an unbreakable hypnosis is nothing?

Originally posted by llagrok

I don't care what you call PIS on Ak, because Magneto has withstood attacks from all of the Avengers at the same time. Including blasts and strikes from Mjolnir. That's planet busting attacks.

Yet, was on has struggledfrom an optic blast from cyclops and gets his arse handed to him by the X-men which are far weaker? 😬

Nevermind that Mjolnir should have nullified his sheild easily by absorbing it's elector magnetic energy. Mags isn't taking a blast from thor, that's bad writing.

Originally posted by llagrok

Telepathic attacks/illusions/hypnosis wouldn't work on Magneto. Either he can choose to simply resist it or use his helmet. Which he always has with him.

Telepathy and Hypnosis are nothing a like, and a helmet won't stop you from being hypnotised.

Originally posted by llagrok
And in new x-men..... and Polaris did it....

Is this the same new X-men that had wolverine killing magneto?

Originally posted by Skeets
Not with Mags willpower,and telepathic abilities...
If he can resist a TP attack from X he can resist Hypnosis...

Telepathy has nothing to do with Hypnosis.😐

Anime fanboys are such fun.

If you haven't read any of the "latest" uncanny x-men/x-men or new x-men, don't bother getting into these discussions. Polaris recreated Magneto's helmet and armor during her wedding with Havok. Esme was unable to read Xorn/Sublime/Magneto's mind while he was wearing the helmet, as was xavier and jean. Nor could they affect or attack him. That's why they had to fool him to take it off.

Affected by an optic blast, yes. Are you dense? Magneto can be harmed like any other man, he doesn't possess any form of enhanced or superhuman endurance. Why wouldn't Cyclops' blast affect him? He fired 2 inches away from his face.

I've yet to see Aizen perform any impressive combat feats though. Black Sacrophagus? Not very impressive. It wasn't even able to kill Komamura. Do you know how easily Magneto could've ripped them apart? All he has to do is focus and he can rip anyone apart.

If he can rip Rax and Salvo apart, he has NO problem ripping Aizen apart. Aizen with no apparent superhuman endurance or stamina. Hell, Aizen hardly has any feats at all. Who knows whether it's illusions or him.

Originally posted by llagrok

If you haven't read any of the "latest" uncanny x-men/x-men or new x-men, don't bother getting into these discussions. Polaris recreated Magneto's helmet and armor during her wedding with Havok. Esme was unable to read Xorn/Sublime/Magneto's mind while he was wearing the helmet, as was xavier and jean. Nor could they affect or attack him. That's why they had to fool him to take it off.

Since when did Jean and Xavier use hypnosis?
Do you know how hypnosis works, and how it's not a psychic attack or telepathy?

Originally posted by llagrok

Affected by an optic blast, yes. Are you dense? Magneto can be harmed like any other man, he doesn't possess any form of enhanced or superhuman endurance. Why wouldn't Cyclops' blast affect him? He fired 2 inches away from his face.

I was refferin' to when he had his shield up.

Originally posted by llagrok
Anime fanboys are such fun.

If your gonna debate, just debate minus the insults. Furthermore, just because someone hasn't read every comic on earth, doesn't make them an anime fanboy. Marvel's continuity spans 40 plus year, it's understandable if someone doesn't know one little detail. Not everyone follows comicbooks religously. 😬

I don't expect you to follow the comic books regularly, I expect you to know certain things about a character when you go into a debate. I love anime myself, but I know that most characters in bleach don't measure up to comic book characters.

When Xavier was forced to mindwipe Magneto (in fatal attractions) he and Jean had to put their best effort into doing so. That alone tells us something about his resistance. People who are resistant to telepathy have a general resistance towards hypnosis and illusions. They all affect the mind/eyes.

Let's say that Magneto falls for Aizen's illusion. He would easily detect that there is no iron in his blood, he can easily tell a false body from a real one. Someone as experienced as him can easily sense bodies around him as well. So telling a copy from the real deal apart, is no problem for him.

Now, how does Aizen plan on getting through Magneto's shield? He can't, simply as that. Magneto on the other hand has plenty of ways to kill off Aizen.

It's very hard to find a good match for Aizen really. Against anyone who can be cut and who doesn't have any means of protecting themselves, he has an instant win. Against someone who can get up forcefields, he doesn't really stand a chance.

Originally posted by llagrok
I don't expect you to follow the comic books regularly, I expect you to know certain things about a character when you go into a debate. I love anime myself, but I know that most characters in bleach don't measure up to comic book characters.

I never claimed they did, and I never made any mention of bleach Vs comics. This between magneto and Aizen, so, why are you bringing comicdom into this?

Originally posted by llagrok

When Xavier was forced to mindwipe Magneto (in fatal attractions) he and Jean had to put their best effort into doing so. That alone tells us something about his resistance. People who are resistant to telepathy have a general resistance towards hypnosis and illusions. They all affect the mind/eyes.

Do you know know how hypnosis works, and the mind in general?
It's not telepathy, and has nothing to do with telepathy period. It is simply a natural occuring momoment where the mind is open to suggestion. Aizens hypnosis can open up the mind to suggestion at any given time. Comparing :Telepathy and Psychics attacks to hypnosis is like comparing apples to oranges.

Furthermore, no matter how much reisistance you have. You can't resist manipulations of certain parts of your mind when your hypnotisize by aizen. Since he's suggestions are unbreakable, combine that with the fact that under hypnosis your already open to suggestion. Also, Mags wouldn't know he's hypnotisized. 😬

Originally posted by llagrok

Let's say that Magneto falls for Aizen's illusion. He would easily detect that there is no iron in his blood, he can easily tell a false body from a real one. Someone as experienced as him can easily sense bodies around him as well. So telling a copy from the real deal apart, is no problem for him.

How would he do that if his sense work against him?

Speculations, don't bother.

Originally posted by llagrok
Speculations, don't bother.

What speculations, you mean when you speculated that mags resistance to telepathy would help him against hypnosis??

Originally posted by llagrok
Anime fanboys are such fun.

If you haven't read any of the "latest" uncanny x-men/x-men or new x-men, don't bother getting into these discussions. Polaris recreated Magneto's helmet and armor during her wedding with Havok. Esme was unable to read Xorn/Sublime/Magneto's mind while he was wearing the helmet, as was xavier and jean. Nor could they affect or attack him. That's why they had to fool him to take it off.

Affected by an optic blast, yes. Are you dense? Magneto can be harmed like any other man, he doesn't possess any form of enhanced or superhuman endurance. Why wouldn't Cyclops' blast affect him? He fired 2 inches away from his face.

I've yet to see Aizen perform any impressive combat feats though. Black Sacrophagus? Not very impressive. It wasn't even able to kill Komamura. Do you know how easily Magneto could've ripped them apart? All he has to do is focus and he can rip anyone apart.

If he can rip Rax and Salvo apart, he has NO problem ripping Aizen apart. Aizen with no apparent superhuman endurance or stamina. Hell, Aizen hardly has any feats at all. Who knows whether it's illusions or him.

Ummm.. you say it yourself, that wasn't actually Magneto, that was Xorn, Xorn has a huge resistance to telepaths due to his powers, not as a result of any helmet. And what the hell do you mean with him having no superhuman resistance or stamina? He's been shown taking enormous blows that would destroy most other characters in bleach with no ill effects at all, as for stamina, he's never needed to show it since he simply destroys all of his opponents in the first few seconds of a fight, just because he hasn't needed it doesn't mean he doesn't have it, plus we can look at the feats of his minions and based on simple logic we can say that basically any feat they can perform he can as well, after all since when have you heard of a final boss being weaker than his minions? As for the senses argument, think of Kyouka suigetsu as the matrix, you can notice inaccuracies and tell it's an illusion but that won't help you break it, and the one instance where an individual broke it was a extremely skilled doctor given days to analyze something as complicated as a corpse, that is an extremely difficult feat to duplicate under battlefield conditions, and if worst comes to worst Aizen can simply shut off all of magneto's senses.

Furthermore, how exactly does a helment keep mags from being manipulated by telepathy? Is it made with anti-psychic material, because I smell a plot device.

As for your comment about if you haven't read the latest X-men to stay out of this, I have read nearly every X-men comic ever made, I just need the series and around when it happened so I can go read up on the helmet claim.

Originally posted by Akuki
Ummm.. you say it yourself, that wasn't actually Magneto, that was Xorn, Xorn has a huge resistance to telepaths due to his powers, not as a result of any helmet. And what the hell do you mean with him having no superhuman resistance or stamina? He's been shown taking enormous blows that would destroy most other characters in bleach with no ill effects at all, as for stamina, he's never needed to show it since he simply destroys all of his opponents in the first few seconds of a fight, just because he hasn't needed it doesn't mean he doesn't have it, plus we can look at the feats of his minions and based on simple logic we can say that basically any feat they can perform he can as well, after all since when have you heard of a final boss being weaker than his minions? As for the senses argument, think of Kyouka suigetsu as the matrix, you can notice inaccuracies and tell it's an illusion but that won't help you break it, and the one instance where an individual broke it was a extremely skilled doctor given days to analyze something as complicated as a corpse, that is an extremely difficult feat to duplicate under battlefield conditions, and if worst comes to worst Aizen can simply shut off all of magneto's senses.

1. Xorn had healing powers, gravitational and magnetic manipulation. Pretty much the same as Magneto, bar the healing powers. No particular mental resistance. If you will pick up new x-men 149, 150 or 151 you will clearly see that the helmet provides him with protection from mental attacks. Anyone wh read it can see that.

2. On KMC we go by feats, not speculation. Aizen took a hit from Komamura, how can you know that was Aizen? Who's to say that was another illusion? Because everyone else who watched the episode or read the manga were clearly capable of seeing that it was an illusion. Until you have something better, I'm gonna have to give you a NO. Aizen does not have enough stamina feats to make him capable of surviving Magneto's attacks.

3. Shut off all of Magnetos' senses? How does that NOT affect his brain? Once again, crazy speculation.

Just went and checked, and Xorn's helmet did protect him,(not that I take it as definite proof since I haven't seen any scans with the actual magneto using that portection) but I won't contest the point for now. As for the hits, I wasn't talking about Komamura, i was referring to the Ichigo and renji vs. Aizen since he hadn't hypnotized them yet. Also for the strength and endurance, there is a pretty good way to measure that. We know that according to bleach rules the more reaitsu you have the stronger and more ble you are to take damage. Since Aizen was able to floor Grimmjow with his reiatsu which requires far superior reiatsu, Aizen can basically perform any endurance feat that Grimmjow can, and he can perorm any of the spells shown in the series as they are a common system available to all shingami, and he has stated that he has mastered all shinigami arts. Also how do the X-men usually force magneto to drop his force field, because to be quite honest, I don't see the X-men doing anything that Aizen couldn't duplicate quite easily.

Aizen isn't an Espada which means that his zanpakutou most likely won't grant him speed/strength/endurance comparable to any marvel characters. So far, we haven't seen them at Mrs.Marvel level, which is far below what Magneto can handle.

As for telepathy and illusions, check out Eve of Destruction. They mention that the only reason they get to cast an illusion on him is because his helmet is off. Which he took off after having messed up Xavier's bloodsteam, shutting off his power. Didn't take off the helmet until Xavier's powers were off. Common, you see the connection.

The x-men never force Magneto to drop his forcefield, he just stopped using it after a while. They wait until he's distracted with something else and then Wolverine is able to kill him. Which is probably the most ridiculous thing in comics. Worse than Ultimate Colossus beating Mags.

When written properly, Magneto gets up his shield and can pretty much take on any hero. It's just like with Apocalypse. The x-men never beat him in a straight up battle, they do it through PIS. Which is non-existent in KMC fights.

You also know that Xorn was really intended to be Magneto? Claremont said "Xorn was always Magneto." It was Chuck who retconned the whole thing with Shen :/

So give the fact that Magneto has resisted telepathic attacks from anyone. Under Stan Lee he had telepathy and was the second strongest mind on earth and an amplified Psylocke was BARELY able to hurt him with her psychic knife.

Either way, Aizen doesn't have a viable way of beating Mags here. He won't get past Mag's forcefield, Magneto can easily tell him apart from his clone and rip him apart, blast him, freeze him, control him, burn him, pretty much do anything. If he wants to, Magneto has also been shown able to amplify his own physique.

That's all I have to say for today.

Magneto 10/10