Akuma vs. Sion

Spamming? 😆 Oh man are you making me laugh hard right now.

It wouldn't be considered spam if it's relative to the thread. That's one very obvious thing. Another thing is that you thinking that it doesn't amuse anyone is none other than your opinion. Secondly I could very well believe that Akuma can destroy planets, beat Doomsday and Superman, etc., without violating any rules whatsoever. Your insignificant dissatisfaction of me discussing Akuma in threads where he's supposed to be discussed is of no importance mane, so might as well just drop the issue.

Ashura Senku, Gou Shoryuken and each of his super arts offers him a few seconds of invulnerability due to his aura.

And, I'm not about to go tearing into the properties of his moves, since he's ALWAYS had those invulnerabilkities in EVERY game, there comes a point where it's no longer just a gameplay mechanic.

Okay. There does come a point. But how do you know that they aren't game mechanics still? Has he ever been shown, canonically, to be able to turn invincible?

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Okay. There does come a point. But how do you know that they aren't game mechanics still? Has he ever been shown, canonically, to be able to turn invincible?

Yes, many times?

Although in fighting games, it's very difficult to determine what exactly happens in fights... but Ryu's Shoryuken over A3 Boss Bison should have been enough of an indicator, same with Akuma's SGS winning out so many times. Gouken, Bison, Gill...

The guy is hard to stop, he's geared for overwhelming crushing offence.

Sion is not completely unkillable, SGS will probably work, but Gouki likely won't be able to use it. It would need to be a move that could shatter Sion to pieces, like maybe the move Gouki did to destroy the island, but I honestly see no way Gouki will land that blow.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yes, many times?

Although in fighting games, it's very difficult to determine what exactly happens in fights... but Ryu's Shoryuken over A3 Boss Bison should have been enough of an indicator, same with Akuma's SGS winning out so many times. Gouken, Bison, Gill...

The guy is hard to stop, he's geared for overwhelming crushing offence.

When has he shows this canonically, I.E., in a cut-scene or in an ending?

Then no, there where very few endings that did depict techniques.

Akuma has used the SGS in a few endings, where he's succeeded every time.

He used the Island Killer.
He used the Kokgou Kokuretsu Zan to split Uluru.
And he used the Tenshou Kaireki Jin to blast that ship to the surface of the ocean.

Under these circumstances, we have to rely on his properties within the game to determine their capabilities... and I'm sorry to say, that that includes EVERY property of the techniques.

Did Akuma use any special technique on the sub?

Does anyone have a vid of exactly what he did?

Yo, Sion is not completely useless using the Force, he can use Death Field, which takes it's form as purple lightning. He raises his hand over his head, and releases it, it homes onto any living thing in a certain amount of distance around him and drains the enemy's life force, feeding his.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Yo, Sion is not completely useless using the Force, he can use Death Field, which takes it's form as purple lightning. He raises his hand over his head, and releases it, it homes onto any living thing in a certain amount of distance around him and drains the enemy's life force, feeding his.

Says who? That's not an excuse to believe a game mechanic, if a Character has NEVER been shown to use invincibility canonically then it just quite simply ain't so. Not too mention that in thsoe games quite a few other fights have that side effect too, certain moves gives invinciblity. It's a balancing game mechanic. Unless Akuma has used such an obviosu game mechanic canonically then that is a side-effect he doesn't have in a vs. match.

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Says who? That's not an excuse to believe a game mechanic, if a Character has NEVER been shown to use invincibility canonically then it just quite simply ain't so. Not too mention that in thsoe games quite a few other fights have that side effect too, certain moves gives invinciblity. It's a balancing game mechanic. Unless Akuma has used such an obviosu game mechanic canonically then that is a side-effect he doesn't have in a vs. match.

Is the game non cannon to you then?

The technique has the capabilities as shown, Ryu's did, Ken's did, it would be foolish to assume that Akuma, one who has mastered the technique would not have it.

And the game is the primary canon in the VGvs Forum... just because he didn't do it in a cutscene or ending, also does not make it so.

Turning invincible after doing certain techniques isn't a technique, it's a game mechanic that balances it. Many other characters do the same thing after performing a super or hyper attack.

It only happens for a few frames/less than a second, and yes, I would say that anyone can gain that invulnerability as long as it's proven that thats what hapens.

After all, Dan only gains high priority, but no invincibility for almost all of his moves. Sagat's Tiger Uppercut also suffers from lack of invulnerability.

Under your logic though Blaxian, Akuma wouldn't even have 70% of his techniques because he's never dne them in an ending or cutscene... Does that sound alright to you?

If you were to you use that similar line of logic, yes. But that doesn't make the logic wrong. I'm not challenging weither his actual atatcks are game mechanics or not. Rather, I find it unlikely that a mere side-effect of certain moves, a side-effect that nearly all the characters in all the same games that Akuma is in possess, is not a balancing game mechanic but an actual part of Akuma's technique. By that logic all characters, even the weak ones, can use Akuma's techniques easily.

Originally posted by Guilty Gear
Spamming? 😆 Oh man are you making me laugh hard right now.

It wouldn't be considered spam if it's relative to the thread. That's one very obvious thing. Another thing is that you thinking that it doesn't amuse anyone is none other than your opinion. Secondly I could very well believe that Akuma can destroy planets, beat Doomsday and Superman, etc., without violating any rules whatsoever. Your insignificant dissatisfaction of me discussing Akuma in threads where he's supposed to be discussed is of no importance mane, so might as well just drop the issue.

Talking complete BS, is however, irrelevant to any thread, since if thats what you beleived, then why do you also beleive the opposite?

You've consistently changed your stories to suit yourself, then wrapped yourself up in what you think is a loophole in the rules, where infact it's just you destroying your own credibility, and showing your sarcasm/complete bias against Akuma.

Now, i'll say it again, I don't particularly care if you hate Akuma or not, but don't go spewing that garbage around the threads like it's nessiary, and remember, if your doing it because you hate Tricksterpriest, then direct your hatred at him, not all over the threads.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Then no, there where very few endings that did depict techniques.

Akuma has used the SGS in a few endings, where he's succeeded every time.

He used the Island Killer.
He used the Kokgou Kokuretsu Zan to split Uluru.
And he used the Tenshou Kaireki Jin to blast that ship to the surface of the ocean.

Under these circumstances, we have to rely on his properties within the game to determine their capabilities... and I'm sorry to say, that that includes EVERY property of the techniques.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Talking complete BS, is however, irrelevant to any thread, since if thats what you beleived, then why do you also beleive the opposite?

You've consistently changed your stories to suit yourself, then wrapped yourself up in what you think is a loophole in the rules, where infact it's just you destroying your own credibility, and showing your sarcasm/complete bias against Akuma.

Now, i'll say it again, I don't particularly care if you hate Akuma or not, but don't go spewing that garbage around the threads like it's nessiary, and remember, if your doing it because you hate Tricksterpriest, then direct your hatred at him, not all over the threads.

Once again, WTF...

Again, I can say whatever I want or think of your boyfriend Akuma when it's at the very least relevant to a thread that he's involved in. Passionately b*tching about it for multiple pages isn't going to win you anything.

Furthermore, Don't accuse me of hating certain people when I've never stated that I hated them. That's far more pathetic than anything else you've done as of this point.

Wow Nikkolas you're a ****ing hardcore Akuma fanboy.

Akuma cannot win this. Even the fricking Exile could not kill him. In fact the more pain the guy received the stronger he became.

God...Gouki stands no ****ing chance at all.

I like Gouki...but people need to stop making him look like Jesus Second Advent for Christ's sake.

But Gouki can win!@@!!!!!!!1!!