Originally posted by Enzeru
Sentry didn't enter the fight until the moment he had no other choice but to enter it. The heroes were at a point where they would have killed eachother and Sentry took off to face the Hulk in battle.It still doesn't change the fact that Sentry's weakness is his own mind and that mental instability makes him weaker and easier to defeat. And he was showcasing syndroms left and right during the WW Hulk arc, which proved that he was in a very bad condition.
Try fighting with a flu and you will know what I mean.Right now you're denying facts, because it's making WW Hulk look bad. Shame on you, Carver, shame on you.
Where did it say his mind was weaker when he faced Hulk.
Going by these words, Sentry mind seemed ok to me. He knew Hulk could take him dishing out EVERYTHING.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh010.jpg.html
Also...going by these words, Sentry mind was ready to finally unleash everything at his disposal and he was smiling and seemed stable enough to know that he had to pour everything at WWH to take him down.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh020.jpg.html
No where during thus fight gave us any type of distinction that Sentry mind was hindering his power level unless you can show me a scan stating otherwise.
If toying Thor is the gold standard for trans/skyfather, then LoebForce Rulk must be a cosmic abstract.
What he did to "King" Thor, was ridiculously vicious. And Hulk just thunderclapped him the **** out.
And what about Tutifrutty ... Tutinix, he creamed Thor twice, more punishing, more severe than Death Sentry's beat down of Thor. So is Tutinix skyfather material now?
Originally posted by bbrem123
Well you would be wrong. Keep holding on to that one fight that meanings nothing in this matchup at all. Good way to make yourself look like a poor debater.
Whereas you reference ... 😕
You're not debating, you're speculating, using no-limits fallacies (ie. Sentry reformed, therefore no physical power could affect him!!!) and ignoring the fact that Sentry's mental state has never been said to retard how much power he has, just how he uses it. And against Hulk, he went all out, energy, physical attacks, the light show the works... and exhausted himself whilst doing absolutely nothing to Hulk.
Originally posted by bbrem123
Like we said you are ignoring how his powers work. He was not stable. Hence the reason he let hulk punch him in the face. He was crazy. Either way that fight makes no difference here. Hulk can't win against current/DA sentryThink what you want about pre DA sentry makes no difference.
I guess Hulk wasn't stable either since he LET Sentry blitz him through buildings, etc...
Also, I honestly dont get where people got the idea that Sentry 'let' Hulk punch him. Look like Hulk comboed him imo.
Where did he say he was unstable? Can someone show me this because the guy said that he enjoy the thought of fighting Hulk because he knew he could cut lose. That doesn't sound like a Sentry that isn't fighting to the best of his abilities. You all are just making up stuff; trying to safe face for your character.
Originally posted by carver9
Where did it say his mind was weaker when he faced Hulk.
Dude, Sentry was standing for 29 hours in his doorway unable to leave. If that's not a questionable mental state, then I don't know either. And now I won't even bother posting scans, because it was a Hulk comic, so you should have it and be able to look it up.
In the Negative Zone Sentry actually started losing his powers, because that's what his mind told him. His mind told him that antimatter is his weakness and that it drains his energy.
His mind was weak during the WW Hulk arc, since he was not willing to help the heroes even though Hulk was rampaging through the city. When he finally entered the battle, he unleashed but due to him being weakened he was emitting less energy than he was able to emit in the past.
Do you actually grasp that he was busting out energies on a planetary scale in the past, while still holding back? I like how in the mind of a crazed Hulk fanboy such a Sentry feat is thrown out of the window and what he came up with in the WW Hulk arc is the ultimate proof for the characters power level, even though there is more than enough indication that he was weakened at that point.
PS: janus77 is now on my ignore list. I'm not going to bother with sheer stupidity. Carvers fanboyism I can handle, but stupidity not so much.
Originally posted by bbrem123
It is like me using savage hulk fight to lowball wwh. Poor arguing.Just listin to the voice of reason. Aka Pr
Low balling would be to posit the Savage Hulk fight as an indicator of how Green Scar would do, because the comics tell you explicitly that Green Scar is >>> Savage Hulk.
It's not low balling to convey exactly what Marvel state and depict about a character going all out, exhausting himself against another character they depict as holding back.
That's just honesty and sound reading comprehension.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Dude, Sentry was standing for 29 hours in his doorway unable to leave. If that's not a questionable mental state, then I don't know either. And now I won't even bother posting scans, because it was a Hulk comic, so you should have it and be able to look it up.In the Negative Zone Sentry actually started losing his powers, because that's what his mind told him. His mind told him that antimatter is his weakness and that it drains his energy.
His mind was weak during the WW Hulk arc, since he was not willing to help the heroes even though Hulk was rampaging through the city. When he finally entered the battle, he unleashed but due to him being weakened he was emitting less energy than he was able to emit in the past.Do you actually grasp that he was busting out energies on a planetary scale in the past, while still holding back? I like how in the mind of a crazed Hulk fanboy such a Sentry feat is thrown out of the window and what he came up with in the WW Hulk arc is the ultimate proof for the characters power level, even though there is more than enough indication that he was weakened at that point.
PS: janus77 is now on my ignore list. I'm not going to bother with sheer stupidity. Carvers fanboyism I can handle, but stupidity not so much.
LOL... Sentry avoided that fight because he knew the consequences; he knew fighting WWH would take more power than he usually use...that was the main reason he stood there thinking...not because of some type of mental crisis.
You would have to excuse EVERY showing involving Sentry because of how weird he is.
Sentry was there to fight Hulk. Sentry admitted that he would need to use all of his power to defeat this version of Hulk. It cant get any clearer than this. You would have to ignore everything that was stated and shown during that fight to even suggest that Sentry wasnt giving it his all.
Originally posted by bbrem123
you are the one with no argument. Please respond to why Hulk wins. Other hulk fans understand he loses here why cant you just accept it?Show me how you think wwh could defeat thor at all. An amped hulk(nul) had trouble with thor nevermind wwh
Only reason I even posted in this thread was because "Warlord" stated this is some sort of cakewalk, apparently just because Zombie Sentry beat Thor twice. We haven't even seen exactly how powerful this version of Sentry is in comparison with his pre-death form yet it's got you and 1 or 2 others all flustered.
Originally posted by carver9
LOL... Sentry avoided that fight because he knew the consequences
Carver, you're so... But okay, why not I guess:
- The military states that the Sentry has been standing for 29 hours in his doorway... Maybe that's something normal for you Carver, but for the most people it's not and especially not superheroes, who are needed in an important fight:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/1986222-x10.jpg
In the same scan Sentry also confirms that he is not able to do anything, because of his agoraphobia. It's one of the days, where he simply can't.
- Sentry's bio confirms that his power is based on his mental stability. He has the potenetial for limitless power, but if his mental state fluctuates he becomes less powerful and therefore easier to defeat - something that happened in the WW Hulk fight:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3261722-02.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
he knew fighting WWH would take more power than he usually use...that was the main reason he stood there thinking...not because of some type of mental crisis.
Utter nonsensical, Hulk-fanboyish Carver-BS.
- Sentry talks about the amount of energy, he would have to unleash to defeat the Hulk and if he lost the control over it even for a millisecond... he doesn't even want to mention what could happen:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/45138/935886-aa_wwh03_027.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
You would have to excuse EVERY showing involving Sentry because of how weird he is.
Sentry suffers the Marvel-Earth-syndrome. He is a powerhouse in a street level / high meta at best superhero team, where he is not supposed to overshadow everyone else, so he jobs for the sake of the plot.
It happened to him, to Thor, to Hyperion and others on that powerlevel.
I'm wouldn't try to find proper excuses for bad PIS writing, since it's bad PIS writing in the end of the day, but there are sometimes the rare occasions, where things made sense regarding the Sentry - unfortunately for Hulk fans, who don't seem to be the smartest comic book readers (which is kinda fitting) things haven't been explained in full detail every single time. One had to take a look at the bigger picture and I'm edjucating you right now on the topic.
Originally posted by carver9
Sentry was there to fight Hulk. Sentry admitted that he would need to use all of his power to defeat this version of Hulk. It cant get any clearer than this. You would have to ignore everything that was stated and shown during that fight to even suggest that Sentry wasnt giving it his all.
It doesn't change the fact that we look at characters from simply one arc and take that as their all and everything. Half of the people WW Hulk fought were defeated by the plot and not by him. Juggernaut ran away like an idiot, Dr. Strange was the jobber he usually is nowdays, Ghost Rider simply walked away and the Sentry was neither using his versatility, nor his speed advantage and on top of that was mentally in a weak mental state, which - as we can see it in the scans above - lowers his power level.
Sentry was giving his all, I don't deny that - but his all was lower at that point than in the past and interestingly enough we knew that at that point he was in a weak mental state, while you can't say the same for the past.
Here is even more proof:
- Sentry is mentally so unstable, that he stands paralyzed for 29 hours in his doorway and overall even for a longer period of time at home unable to leave and help the heroes in the fight:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/1986222-x10.jpg
- Sentry enters the fight, starts busting out all of the energy he can emit and it's only enough to level few city blocks:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179386-12.jpg
- [b]Sentry is in a weak mental state once again... he is lying in his bed and shivering, but when Captain America confronts him and orders him to help them, he immediately jumps up and enters the fight against Collective (so no 29 hours at his doorway and therefore less of a mental instability at that point):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3189329-1.jpg
- Sentry enters the battle, drags the Collective into the space and we see them fighting near a small planet (most likely moon), which gets shattered, when they release their energy:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3189336-1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3189337-2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3189338-3.jpg
- [b]Sentry's mental stability is not being mentioned at all and he already seems to be quite sure of the danger, which would come along if he fought Photon on the Earth:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/Photon/14-vsSentry2.jpg
- Photon transports them into the Microverse, where atoms have the size of planets and the narration states that the energy they're dishing out, while still holding back is capable of destroying worlds:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179258-3.jpg
... So yeah Carver, Sentry was quite depowered during his fight against WW Hulk and he still managed to stalemate him.
I understand that you like Hulk and it's a tough cookie to swallow, but if you continue to come up with your BS excuses, you'll continue to look like a fool. Be smart and simply stop.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Carver, you're so... But okay, why not I guess:- The military states that the Sentry has been standing for 29 hours in his doorway... Maybe that's something normal for you Carver, but for the most people it's not and especially not superheroes, who are needed in an important fight:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/1986222-x10.jpg[b]In the same scan Sentry also confirms that he is not able to do anything, because of his agoraphobia. It's one of the days, where he simply can't.
- Sentry's bio confirms that his power is based on his mental stability. He has the potenetial for limitless power, but if his mental state fluctuates he becomes less powerful and therefore easier to defeat - something that happened in the WW Hulk fight:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3261722-02.jpgUtter nonsensical, Hulk-fanboyish Carver-BS.
- Sentry talks about the amount of energy, he would have to unleash to defeat the Hulk and if he lost the control over it even for a millisecond... he doesn't even want to mention what could happen:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/45138/935886-aa_wwh03_027.jpgSentry suffers the Marvel-Earth-syndrome. He is a powerhouse in a street level / high meta at best superhero team, where he is not supposed to overshadow everyone else, so he jobs for the sake of the plot.
It happened to him, to Thor, to Hyperion and others on that powerlevel.I'm wouldn't try to find proper excuses for bad PIS writing, since it's bad PIS writing in the end of the day, but there are sometimes the rare occasions, where things made sense regarding the Sentry - unfortunately for Hulk fans, who don't seem to be the smartest comic book readers (which is kinda fitting) things haven't been explained in full detail every single time. One had to take a look at the bigger picture and I'm edjucating you right now on the topic.
It doesn't change the fact that we look at characters from simply one arc and take that as their all and everything. Half of the people WW Hulk fought were defeated by the plot and not by him. Juggernaut ran away like an idiot, Dr. Strange was the jobber he usually is nowdays, Ghost Rider simply walked away and the Sentry was neither using his versatility, nor his speed advantage and on top of that was mentally in a weak mental state, which - as we can see it in the scans above - lowers his power level.
Sentry was giving his all, I don't deny that - but his all was lower at that point than in the past and interestingly enough we knew that at that point he was in a weak mental state, while you can't say the same for the past.Here is even more proof:
- Sentry is mentally so unstable, that he stands paralyzed for 29 hours in his doorway and overall even for a longer period of time at home unable to leave and help the heroes in the fight:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/1986222-x10.jpg- Sentry enters the fight, starts busting out all of the energy he can emit and it's only enough to level few city blocks:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179386-12.jpg- Sentry is in a weak mental state once again... he is lying in his bed and shivering, but when Captain America confronts him and orders him to help them, he immediately jumps up and enters the fight against Collective (so no 29 hours at his doorway and therefore less of a mental instability at that point):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3189329-1.jpg- Sentry enters the battle, drags the Collective into the space and we see them fighting near a small planet (most likely moon), which gets shattered, when they release their energy:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3189336-1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3189337-2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3189338-3.jpg- [b]Sentry's mental stability is not being mentioned at all and he already seems to be quite sure of the danger, which would come along if he fought Photon on the Earth:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/Photon/14-vsSentry2.jpg- Photon transports them into the Microverse, where atoms have the size of planets and the narration states that the energy they're dishing out, while still holding back is capable of destroying worlds:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179258-3.jpg... So yeah Carver, Sentry was quite depowered during his fight against WW Hulk and he still managed to stalemate him.
I understand that you like Hulk and it's a tough cookie to swallow, but if you continue to come up with your BS excuses, you'll continue to look like a fool. Be smart and simply stop.
LOL at you bringing up all of Sentry best fts to try and prove he was depowered while fighting WWH. It doesnt work like that my friend. I guess Galactus was weakened when he faced Tenebrous and Aegis since a solar system wasn't shedded during their battle.
We know why Earth wasn't destroyed during Hulk and Sentry scuffle...its common sense...Earth isn't a mobile planet. Sentry still exerted more power against WWH than what he did against Collective, etc... and this was proven by him being diminished of power after his fight against WWH.
This isnt a ft war, this is what we actually saw on panel and on panel Hulk physically depleted Sentry, a Sentry that admitted he was going all out. You can use every instance before that if you want but as shown on panel, Sentry was pleased at fight Hulk because he knew he could unleash his true potential.
You know where I got all of that from? On panel words directly out of Sentry mouth.
