Darth Nihilus vs. Kyp Durron

Started by Darth Sexy3 pages

How in the blue hell do you quantify or even compare a normal planet with force wielding users, with a force wielding planet that moves through hyperspace?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
How in the blue hell do you quantify or even compare a normal planet with force wielding users, with a force wielding planet that moves through hyperspace?
I'm just saying it's quite possible he could do it, but we never really will know will we?

Being "possible" doesn't make it probable. You'd have to make a more convincing argument since you think it's "possible".

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Being "possible" doesn't make it probable. You'd have to make a more convincing argument since you think it's "possible".
It's kinda impossible to make a more convincing argument when his best Force Killer feat is Katar. Can you prove he can't do it?

Why would I have to prove that he CANT? You're talking about because he can drain something with A properties, he could do the same thing with B properties. We've seen that in cases of other wounds in the force, he can't, so there's no reason to assume he can drain everything.

But Sekot is not a Wound.

So...comparing a planet in the Force to a single person not in the Force is a very poor way of proving he can't devour Sekot.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Why would I have to prove that he CANT? You're talking about because he can drain something with A properties, he could do the same thing with B properties. We've seen that in cases of other wounds in the force, he can't, so there's no reason to assume he can drain everything.
He doesn't drain anything, me and Nik pretty much covered this in the Force Power Rankings thread. He only can't drain another Wound in the Force. Sekot is not a wound in the Force.

Sekot, however, is force wielding super planet that has hyperspace engines.. You'd have to prove that Nihilus can drain something with those "unknown" properties.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Sekot, however, is force wielding super planet that has hyperspace engines.. You'd have to prove that Nihilus can drain something with those "unknown" properties.
What "unknown" properties? I don't know a whole lot about this Sekot, but if it's alive(if it can move of it's own accord, I'm just assuming it is) and is connected to the Force it's succeptible to Force Killer.

You don't know the properties of the force killer. Simply assuming that anything made of the force will succumb to Nihilus power is illogical. Nihilus' ability to drain something like Zonoma is at best, unknown.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You don't know the properties of the force killer. Simply assuming that anything made of the force will succumb to Nihilus power is illogical. Nihilus' ability to drain something like Zonoma is at best, unknown.
Force Killer in it's definition creates bonds with any life touched by the Force, then violently severs them and feeds on the death it causes.

Considering Sekot is powerful enough to reach out across the galaxy and kill Nihilus before Nihilus has any idea what's hit him Sekot wins.

When the heck did Sekot ever do that?

Not like the planet cant defend itself against nihilus attack. If you can speculate that the planet sekot can get drained i can also speculate that the planet has the fallanasi looping technique to defend against nihilus attack.

Again: Nihilus never lifted a fleet but a ship as stated by out of universe sources(loading screen) and tobins a fallible character

Just because Tobin is fallible doesn't mean he's wrong. Just that he COUDL be wrong. And nothing says he is.

Originally posted by Manslayer
Not like the planet cant defend itself against nihilus attack. If you can speculate that the planet sekot can get drained i can also speculate that the planet has the fallanasi looping technique to defend against nihilus attack.
That would be a retarded speculation on your part, then, considering Sekot has never even come into contact with the Fallanassi.

Again: Nihilus never lifted a fleet but a ship as stated by out of universe sources(loading screen) and tobins a fallible character
A character being fallible - as all would be - has no bearing on this situation whatsoever. He's not talking about someone's powers or qualities, i.e. Revan being the "heart of the Force," or Sidious being the "greatest Sith Lord," which are open to interpretation. He's stating something that happened, and that's it. Nihilus raised the ship and continued to hold it together by his own power - end of story.

Why is Tobin so "fallible" as you say? I've heard that since he knows little of the Force, he must be wrong, all he friggin needs is eyes to see Nihilus lift his fleet.

I don't recall a fleet being lifted. I may be wrong. I recall him lifting the Ravager and holding it with his will. But that's the debatable point. How can he hold it with his will if it didn't fall apart when he died? Is there some kind of technique that lets the ship stay together long after the power behind it is dead?

Maybe, then again maybe it would take a little bit of time for it to actually fall apart, but the bombs blew up before it could?

Originally posted by Faunus
That would be a retarded speculation on your part, then, considering Sekot has never even come into contact with the Fallanassi.
I said that on purpose considering that they themselves
has made speculations

Originally posted by Faunus

He's stating something that happened, and that's it. Nihilus raised the ship and continued to hold it together by his own power - end of story.
Was he there to see it? Simple answer, no he wasnt and he said A fleet NOT A SHIP was lifted by nihilus. Loading screen states he only pulled the ravager from the gravity wells and did not mention other ships.

Thanks for confirming my point. He lifted the ship and not a fleet

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Just because Tobin is fallible doesn't mean he's wrong. Just that he COUDL be wrong. And nothing says he is.
The fact that he wasnt on malachor but somewhere else speaks for itself. He wasnt there and he didnt see shit

EDIT

The ravager was pulled out of malachor long before nihilus met tobin i believe so i doubt tobin was actually there to witness anything. And IF he DID pull a fleet, how big was it?

Last i recall it was only 3 ships. 2 sith interdictors , the ravager and from what i remember the 2 sith interdictors looked new and undamaged. If it was on malachor wouldnt the ship have huge obvious dents on them if not holes?