Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THe HOTU is not a cosmic being. And It would only be shaped By lucifer's will, as it has no will of it's own. At best it would stalemate micheal's power. Sorry.
Originally posted by Air Legend
Stop posting nvr. Without the Presence Thanos w/HOTI would solo the DC universe. Then he would stalemate the Presence.
Michael alone would Stalemate Thanos. Lucifer would turn the power thanos wielded against thanos, or use it to shape worlds. You stop posting. There that was simple enough wasn't it.
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
I know it isn't, but it's a cosmic plot device. Just give it to thanos and this thread will end.
Lucifer and micheal are plot characters. thus this thread would end with thanos getting his ass handed to him. And he's not a cosmic being. So This thread wouldnt' end, becuz the Heart is not a cosmic being.
Originally posted by quanchi112
michael has no on panel feats that can match thanos with the heart , sorry.
Micheal releases Multiversal creating power just by being cut.
THanos with the heart recreated the Universe.
Michael beat down the spectre and then spared his life.
Thanos absorbed the LT.
I'd Say micheal gives as good or better than thanos witht he heart.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlWhat I found to be odd is that according to Dream of the Endless...
Micheal releases Multiversal creating power just by being cut.
THanos with the heart recreated the Universe.Michael beat down the spectre and then spared his life.
Thanos absorbed the LT.I'd Say micheal gives as good or better than thanos witht he heart.
"Lucifer is the most powerful angel of all.... Saving his Creator [God], perhaps the most powerful being there is."
Originally posted by Galan007
What I found to be odd is that according to Dream of the Endless..."Lucifer is the most powerful angel of all.... Saving his Creator [God], perhaps the most powerful being there is."
As I have said already, Lucifer would spank Thanos with the heart. Becuz We already know lucifer's will>>>>>>THanos. So lucifer could easily take over the power of the Heart or use it to his own ends. Just as he did the power within michael.
Originally posted by nimbus006
This is a really vague thread. Who are we talking about here?Lets make it:
NVR's top 5
Micheal
Lucifer
The Spectre
The Ultimator
Mr. Mxyvs.
Mr. Masters:
Thanos w/ the HOTI
Pre-retcon Beyonder
Pre-retcon Molecule Man
LT
Captain Britain- w/ the Sword of Might and the Amulet of right
The LT is Under thanos with the Heart. The LT under Preretconned is from a story that doesn't exist and thus can't be counted in the LT's or The Beyonders feats or lack there of in case with the LT.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlI know.
As I have said already, Lucifer would spank Thanos with the heart. Becuz We already know lucifer's will>>>>>>THanos. So lucifer could easily take over the power of the Heart or use it to his own ends. Just as he did the power within michael.
I just found Dream's statement to be very interesting.
Originally posted by nimbus006
Im sorry Im not understanding what your trying to say.
I"m saying Master's List is inccorect. The LT is higher in power than pre retconned beyonder or Pre retconned MM. Why? Becuz the story is retconned, thus the LT in the story doesn't exist. meaning the in continuity LT has never been defeated by The beyonder or the MM. Thus you have to treat that story as an entirely different LT since It never happend. By Digi's rules, alternate time lines and such dont' count toward current characters. This works both ways. The Low showings of the LT in that story don't count against him since it wasn't him.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlI think Mr M's hierarchy list included the most powerful beings ever, in Marvel.
I"m saying Master's List is inccorect. The LT is higher in power than pre retconned beyonder or Pre retconned MM. Why? Becuz the story is retconned, thus the LT in the story doesn't exist. meaning the in continuity LT has never been defeated by The beyonder or the MM. Thus you have to treat that story as an entirely different LT since It never happend. By Digi's rules, alternate time lines and such dont' count toward current characters. This works both ways. The Low showings of the LT in that story don't count against him since it wasn't him.
So pre-retcon Beyonder/MM would have been included there...
But retconned characters weren't intended to be in this thread, imo.
As the thread started said:
"Which universe has the more powerful cosmic powers?"
That implies characters in the present-tense, to me. srug
Originally posted by Galan007
I think Mr M's hierarchy list included the most powerful beings ever, in Marvel.So pre-retcon Beyonder would have been included there...
But retconned characters weren't intended to be in this thread, imo.
As the thread started said:
"Which universe [b]has
the more powerful cosmic powers?"That implies characters in the present-tense, to me. srug [/B]
I do agree that the MM and the beyonder belong on the list. But they did nothing to indicate that either could defeat the LT, Who, has never been defeated by either. THe LT in the story isn't the same LT. Becuz the story nevr happened in continuity. It might as well be a gag book. At any rate, The MM nor the beyonder count.