Who can survive this blast?

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Juggernaut would survive it because his powers are mystical, which means that they bend the normal laws of physics, and that cosmic blast is most certainly physical in nature.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Juggernaut would survive it because his powers are mystical, which means that they bend the normal laws of physics, and that cosmic blast is most certainly physical in nature.

Squirrel Girl - she'd proceed to nutslam that fool immediately afterwards

Originally posted by janus77
it's backed up by plenty of other comments of a similar nature.
most pointedly, it's consonant with what Apocalypse says his Celestial Tech tells him about Hulk (that he possesses energies great enough to perhaps challenge The Celestials).

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And power that could PERHAPS challenge the celestials >> PR molecule man dur

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Juggernaut would survive it because his powers are mystical, which means that they bend the normal laws of physics, and that cosmic blast is most certainly physical in nature.

Do you dress yourself in the morning?

Originally posted by Air Legend
Yes it has displayed stronger feats, but the LT has never been retconned. Therefore, PR Beyonder>PR Molecule Man> Living Tribunal.

In a sort of way he has been retconned, We have seen Living Tribunal holding two MEGAVERSES in his hands and just as easy destroy them. I think that outclass a billion dimensions by quiet a few steps 😬 Also the LT back then governed a Multiverse the LT today govern a Omniverse which include the Beyonders a race that appear more Powerful then Pre-retcon Beyonder seeing what but a minute part of there power can do, and they are still below LT.

But again the Marvel has changed

today:
(excluding TOAA) LT> All of Marvel (pre ore post)

Back then:
(No mention of TOAA) Pre-retcon Beyonder > All of marvel

Just my openion.

Originally posted by boriquaking55
Squirrel Girl - she'd proceed to nutslam that fool immediately afterwards

You said nutslam.

Originally posted by llagrok
And power that could PERHAPS challenge the celestials >> PR molecule man dur

that blast wasn't a reflection of the potential of Molecule Man, nor of the uberness of The Beyonder's durability. it was merely a powerful blast.

that it might have demolished dimensions may be true but sub-MM/Beyonder characters would survive such a blast.

therefore your "The Celestials >> PR MM" formulation (and attendant folly of over eager ridicule) is merely indicative of your lack of appreciation for complex arguments and situations.

personally I doubt if The Hulk would survive a Universe destroying blast, let-alone one that destroys dimensions. my point was with respect to the dismissal of - underrating of - The Hulk's powers. which is why I pointed out how highly his potential is written up.

I think Galactus and some of the higher oder Celestials should survive it, perhaps even Odin (I think there's a scan wherein a battle is said to shake dimensions?).

Originally posted by janus77
I can see some resemblance between you and the 'dur' emoticon, in a figurative sense. you have those moments don't you?

that blast wasn't a reflection of the potential of Molecule Man, nor of the uberness of The Beyonder's durability. it was merely a powerful blast.

that it might have demolished dimensions may be true but sub-MM/Beyonder characters would survive such a blast.

Beyonder surviving a blast is not indicative of anything else being able to survive it.

Originally posted by janus77
I can see some resemblance between you and the 'dur' emoticon, in a figurative sense. you have those moments don't you?

that blast wasn't a reflection of the potential of Molecule Man, nor of the uberness of The Beyonder's durability. it was merely a powerful blast.

that it might have demolished dimensions may be true but sub-MM/Beyonder characters would survive such a blast.

therefore your "The Celestials >> PR MM" formulation (and attendant folly of over eager ridicule) is merely indicative of your lack of appreciation for complex arguments and situations.

personally I doubt if The Hulk would survive a Universe destroying blast, let-alone one that destroys dimensions. my point was with respect to the dismissal of - underrating of - The Hulk's powers. which is why I pointed out how highly his potential is written up.

I think Galactus and some of the higher oder Celestials should survive it, perhaps even Odin (I think there's a scan wherein a battle is said to shake dimensions?).

People claimed that Hulk wouldn't be able to survive it, and somehow you feel the need to prove that they're underestimating him by bringing up an example of him not being nearly strong enough to compete with MM :/

Not a lot of characters can survive blasts that would destroy a billion universes. I never claimed that MM was using the full extent of his powers, but it's reasonable to believe that he didn't hold back too much. He was agitated, people who angry and upset normally don't hold back too much. He was obviously trying to hurt the beyonder.

Do you think people should say "The Hulk would lose, but at full potential he could perhaps rival celestials" every time he's pitted against someone he would lose against? Apocalypse has been wrong before, there is no guarantee that his estimate is correct.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Beyonder surviving a blast is not indicative of anything else being able to survive it.

if you want an analogy, say Superman does one of his strong punches against DD and DD just flinches a little. doesn't mean Wonder Woman or GL or MM wouldn't survive such a blow now, does it?

(and don't go thinking about Superman blowing MM ... 😕 )

Whether he was going all out or not is a matter of interpretation.

Full potential or not, Hulk would not survive it.

Originally posted by llagrok
People claimed that Hulk wouldn't be able to survive it, and somehow you feel the need to prove that they're underestimating him by bringing up an example of him not being nearly strong enough to compete with MM :/

Not a lot of characters can survive blasts that would destroy a billion universes. I never claimed that MM was using the full extent of his powers, but it's reasonable to believe that he didn't hold back too much. He was agitated, people who angry and upset normally don't hold back too much. He was obviously trying to hurt the beyonder.

Do you think people should say "The Hulk would lose, but at full potential he could perhaps rival celestials" every time he's pitted against someone he would lose against? Apocalypse has been wrong before, there is no guarantee that his estimate is correct.

digimark actually said Hulk probably would survive it. something I'm sceptical of, but not my point.

Originally posted by janus77
I didn't suggest that it was.
I merely pointed out that 1) it wasn't indicative of the potential of MM since he clearly wasn't going "all out", 2) that The Beyonder wasn't much troubled at all, again indicating that it's not straining his powers and 3) those two facts put together mean that a character would not have to be ">>>PR Beyonder" in order to survive such a blast.

if you want an analogy, say Superman does one of his strong punches against DD and DD just flinches a little. doesn't mean Wonder Woman or GL or MM wouldn't survive such a blow now, does it?

I understand the concept perfectly well. It really just means the the force is utterly and completely arbitrary.

So it's meaningless for you to say Beyonder wasn't the only person who could survive such a blast.

Originally posted by janus77
(and don't go thinking about Superman blowing MM ... 😕 )

Weird I was thinking of WW . . .

Originally posted by llagrok
Whether he was going all out or not is a matter of interpretation.

Full potential or not, Hulk would not survive it.

I was contending your poor formulation, your rash judgement and your lack of grasp of things.... gah 😐 why bother ... 😐

Originally posted by janus77
did you see the context of the original posting I made?

digimark actually said Hulk probably would survive it. something I'm sceptical of, but not my point.

I thought it was related to a different post than Digi's, my bad.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I understand the concept perfectly well. It really just means the the force is utterly and completely arbitrary.

So it's meaningless for you to say Beyonder wasn't the only person who could survive such a blast.

Weird I was thinking of WW . . .

and 2) if the attack/defence is not at the fullest extent of either beyonder or mm's powers, then surely it is open to speculation that other - sub-mm/beyonder - characters might survive it?

What characters do you think would survive the blast?

dunno, I'd speculate the usual suspects, Galactus, Celestials etc. but can't say for sure... shattering dimensions is a big ask.

Originally posted by janus77
1) how/what could he blow there? 😕

Other way . . .

Originally posted by janus77
and 2) if the attack/defence is not at the fullest extent of either beyonder or mm's powers, then surely it is open to speculation that other - sub-mm/beyonder - characters might survive it?

Well if the two most powerful creatures in reality fight and neither kills the other the ability to say that others could survive is meaningless since for realistic purposes it means nothing.

Had we not been given the "destroy a billion dimensions" tidbit one could say that AuntMay (to use the classic example) might have survived the blast. Then again Galactus or the LivingTribunal might have too.

Speculation on that kind of level doesn't give any information IMO.