Originally posted by kevdude😕 I don't remember Spectre ever going to the Source Wall in any of the actual COIE issues. And while I don't have them in front of me right now, I've got a pretty darn good memory. If you're absolutely sure Spectre visited the Source Wall during COIE, can you tell me which issue this occurred?
Thats not in a follow up its in COIE
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/9976/crisisoninfearthstpbjxsidcppg269ie7.jpg
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/4163/vsantimoniterfc5.jpg
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/8059/vsantimoniter2gt1.jpg
http://img289.imageshack.us/img289/4948/vsantimoniter3gx0.jpg
These are in the Spectre respect thread
Originally posted by kevdudeUm. Those scans don't show him going to the Source Wall at all. They only confirm my memories of COIE. Spectre just sat back in the positive matter universe, powerless to do anything. Nothing there says anything about waiting for Anti-Monitor to powerup or become a threat so that he might finally intervene. The reason Spectre had to wait for so long is because Spectre couldn't go to the antimatter universe and was worthless throughout most of COIE. He had to wait until Anti-Monitor showed up at the beginning of creation where there was no anti-matter to interfere with his magic.
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/9976/crisisoninfearthstpbjxsidcppg269ie7.jpg
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/4163/vsantimoniterfc5.jpg
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/8059/vsantimoniter2gt1.jpg
http://img289.imageshack.us/img289/4948/vsantimoniter3gx0.jpgThese are in the Spectre respect thread
Appearently not.[/qote]Apparently I do
[quote]That must be it--I must be enjoy lying ...
It seems that way since you are pulling stuff out of nowhere
There are two points I like to bring up to you.
#1. You're not mature enough to be debaing here, seriously instead of flaming and trying to make look people bad, try bring evidence.
"Lol, you're not smart enough because you think differentely" won't cut it, mainly because most of the times you're actually the one who's wrong.
1.I'm not flaming and not trying to look people bad . Users such as yourself make themselves look bad due to their replies .
2.As a matter of fact no , that must be your definition of stupid . Just because somebody thinks differently doesn't mean he is stupid . But I guess in your opinion it is so I feel sad for you .
Very mature ... Instead of countering, try to overlook things like that and move on to the actual debate.
Counter what ? The fact that you think people brag to their friends how they owned somebody in a comics discussion ? That's so pathetic You don't even know what we're talking about 😆
Yeah you said that already ...
I clicked copy instead of cut
Your point of perspective are way of, you haven't made a post without in some way bad mouthing someone else.
I don't insult . I make remarks . Some people just can't handle the truth .
If you actually had an interest, check out that hierarchy,
You say you want scans.
I point the way.
You say that you know "everything" and you keep on going.
Why exactly would I need to look there when I already know its power ?
OK, you know what, there are some things you keep to yourself.
Just because everyone don't think as you, doesn't mean that they are less intelligent, and there is a differance between knowledge and intelligence--but you confuse them all the time over and over.
It's logical that there is a difference between knowledge and intelligence . But you lack both .
Yes, you are by far the most biased person I've ever seen.
That's kinda funny
Do you actually think that DC have more powerful beings?
- Even though no one in the entire history have ereased the DC Omniverse, as there are plenty in Marvel that has?
Nobody erased the DC Omniverse yet there are plenty in Marvel that have ? As a matter of fact the DC Omniverse has been erased while in Marvel not even Thanos erased the Omniverse .
Originally posted by Mr Master
That's not true.The LT himself said
that the IG was able to bring about the demise on an entire Multiverse (Rune's)
and perhaps his own aswell.It was actually 4 Gems (Power-Mind-Soul-Space)
Not only were they going to destroy the Omniverse,
but they were Creating UniverseS one after another: (stacking them)
"Each New Wave CREATED another New Reality"..................................................................................
Because of this, the 4 Gems nearly destroyed "All Realities"
"What do you mean NOTHING belongs here?" ... "This whole Reality is wrong"
,
"These Two Gems (Time-Reality) must be reunited,
[B]otherwise ALL Realities, including this one, will be Destroyed
I have to use them to CREATE a New and stronger Reality,
one whose Fabric isn't unravelling as this one is"Actually you have to erase from existence the 616 Reality in order to fold the Omniverse.
And the 4 Gems performed their feat Outside the Multiverse completely,
they were in the Ultraverse located in another Multiverse. [/B]
Since the IG had control over Earth 616 Universe and by destroying it you can destroy the Multiverse , I don't see the problem .
Want me to prove that the Infinity Gauntley has Universal power ? Okay :
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1hs9.jpg
".....over the entire known Universe "
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p2ba3.png
"Universal collective unconscious"
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3vj7.jpg
"Unconscious thoughts and dreams of the entire Universe
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p4vd8.jpg
"Collective unsconscious of the entire Universe
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5au3.jpg
Even Thanos says it
"They are the ultimate in power , the darkest secret in all the Universe
And again :
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ig36lw.jpg
"I can reach out and feel the dreams and aspirations of every living being in the entire Universe"
And there are many other instances where it's reffered to as Universal power . You think that several instances where it's shown affecting the universe from far mean it's Multiversal ? Nope . I think you fail to see the concept of what Multiversal power truly means in comics,at least in my opinion. It implies being able to create and destroy an entire Multiverse , to have control over one not the quite pathetic feats compared to a being with truly multiversal power that the Infinity Gauntley has done .
For example a being is able to create or destroy a Multiverse , and another being is able to affect 2 Universes . Are they equal since supposdley according to you Multiversal ? No .
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Since the IG had control over Earth 616 Universe and by destroying it you can destroy the Multiverse , I don't see the problem .Want me to prove that the Infinity Gauntley has Universal power ? Okay :
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1hs9.jpg
".....over the entire known [B]Universe
"http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p2ba3.png
"Universal collective unconscious"
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3vj7.jpg
"Unconscious thoughts and dreams of the entire Universe
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p4vd8.jpg
"Collective unsconscious of the entire Universe
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5au3.jpg
Even Thanos says it
"They are the ultimate in power , the darkest secret in all the Universe
And again :
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ig36lw.jpg
"I can reach out and feel the dreams and aspirations of every living being in the entire Universe"
And there are many other instances where it's reffered to as Universal power . You think that several instances where it's shown affecting the universe from far mean it's Multiversal ? Nope . I think you fail to see the concept of what Multiversal power truly means in comics,at least in my opinion. It implies being able to create and destroy an entire Multiverse , to have control over one not the quite pathetic feats compared to a being with truly multiversal power that the Infinity Gauntley has done .
For example a being is able to create or destroy a Multiverse , and another being is able to affect 2 Universes . Are they equal since supposdley according to you Multiversal ? No . [/B]
🙄
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Since the IG had control over Earth 616 Universe and by destroying it you can destroy the Multiverse , I don't see the problem .
Again.
The 4 Gems were NOT in the 616 Reality.
The 4 Gems were in the Ultraverse.
The Ultraverse isn't part of the Prime Multiverse.
The Ultraverse is located OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse that houses 616.
So there is a problem with your theory.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Want me to prove that the Infinity Gauntley has Universal power ? Okay :http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1hs9.jpg
".....over the entire known [B]Universe
" [/B]
The entire known Universe is the Marvel Universe which = the Omniverse.
Or were you under the impression that Reed only knows about the 616 Reality? 😂
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p2ba3.png"[B]Universal
collective unconscious"
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3vj7.jpg"Unconscious thoughts and dreams of the entire Universe
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p4vd8.jpg"Collective unsconscious of the entire Universe
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5au3.jpg [/B]
You do realize their only talking about the MIND Gem in those scans. 😆
Dude do your research before just throwing scans around.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Even Thanos says it
"They are the ultimate in power , the darkest secret in all the [B]Universe [/B]
That's because the Infinity Gems belong to the 616 Reality, so it's the darkest secret of the Universe.
But here we have Thanos making another statement in that era:
"ALL the UniverseS is but clay in my hands"
"Thanos declares himself the Supreme Being over This ... an ALL UniverseS"
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And again :http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ig36lw.jpg
" [/B]
"I can reach out and feel the dreams and aspirations of every living being in the entire [B]Universe
And again,
they're still only dealing with the MIND Gem.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And there are many other instances where it's reffered to as Universal power .
Never.
What there really is, is Multiversal On Panel Feats.
1. Like Magus Merging Two UniverseS in an instant with an INCOMPLETE IG.
2. Like Magus owning the UN with an INCOMPLETE IG.
3. Like ONLY the LT being depicted as being more powerful.
4. Like the LT himself claiming,
the IG can conquer Rune's Multiverse and perhaps his own (that's at least TWO MultiverseS)
5. Like the Soul Gem also stating that Rune could take over BOTH MultiverseS with the IG.
6. Like 4 Gems Creating UniverseS back to back.
7. Like the same 4 Gems nearly destroying "ALL Realities"
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
You think that several instances where it's shown affecting the universe from far mean it's Multiversal ? Nope .
???
You mean the 4 Gems Creating UniverseS from scratch in the Ultraverse? (in another Multiverse)
Or do you mean the 4 Gems nearly destroying the Omniverse from the Ultraverse?
"Multiversal?"
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I think you fail to see the concept of what Multiversal power truly means in comics,at least in my opinion.
forgetu
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It implies being able to create and destroy an entire Multiverse , to have control over one not the quite pathetic feats compared to a being with truly multiversal power that the Infinity Gauntley has done .
For example a being is able to create or destroy a Multiverse , and another being is able to affect 2 Universes . Are they equal since supposdley according to you Multiversal ? No .
A fully functioning IG has been in the hands of 3 Individuals:
Thanos (Only wanted One Universe)
Nebula (was partly insane ... still pwnd the Cosmic Hierarchy simultaneously)
Warlock (didn't want any Universe)
As for Thanos and Warlock:
Well according to the Writers,
they became GOD! (not TOAA ... but GOD below the LT)
^ totally owned.
Erik, I reccommend this thread.
Again.The 4 Gems were NOT in the 616 Reality.
The 4 Gems were in the Ultraverse.
The Ultraverse isn't part of the Prime Multiverse.
The Ultraverse is located OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse that houses 616.
So there is a problem with your theory.
First of all I'd like a link to the scan or at least an issue number where this is stated . And even if it did , how exactly does this help your case ? How exactly does this prove that if he was there he couldn't destroy Earth 616 Universe ?
The entire known Universe is the Marvel Universe which = the Omniverse.Or were you under the impression that Reed only knows about the 616 Reality? laughing out loud
Universe = / = Omniverse and
Universe = / = Multiverse .
Now you're pretty much just assuming that Reed reffered to the Omniverse or Multiverse when he said Universe , which is illogical .
You do realize their only talking about the MIND Gem in those scans. laughingDude do your research before just throwing scans around.
I know it was reffering to the Mind Gem since I didn't copy and paste those links . That was the whole point , the Mind Gem only has Universal control , thus why would the other ones be different ?
😉
That's because the Infinity Gems belong to the 616 Reality, so it's the darkest secret of the Universe.
Actually it's "They are the Ultimate in Power , the darkest secret in the universe" . So again , it's reffered to be universal in power and the darkest secret within the Universe .
"ALL the UniverseS is but clay in my hands"
"Thanos declares himself the Supreme Being over This ... an ALL UniverseS"
You do know that you've just beaten yourself with that image ?
It says all the Universe is but clay in my hands" , thus Thanos clearly stating that he has Universal power . Clear and stated .
And again,they're still only dealing with the MIND Gem.
And again , why would one gem be Universal while other Multiversal ? Does that sound consistent to you ?
1. Like Magus Merging Two UniverseS in an instant with an INCOMPLETE IG.
I really hope you're not saying that's Multiversal power . I see nothing beyond mere Universal power . He could have controlled one Universe so that it merged with the other . What is Multiversal about this ? Come back to me when he merges 2 Multiverses 😉
2. Like Magus owning the UN with an INCOMPLETE IG.
And this is Multiversal how exactly ? First of all , it's debatable if the UN erased the Multiverse , which I can simply counter with resonable explination and proof . Second , we don't really know how much power output the UN put then when aiming twoards him . And third , turning the weapon upon it's bearer doesn't really mean that he is stronger than the UN .
3. Like ONLY the LT being depicted as being more powerful.
Proof .
4. Like the LT himself claiming,
the IG can conquer Rune's Multiverse and perhaps his own (that's at least TWO MultiverseS)
Conquering and having the power to destroy a Multiverse (Without a chain reaction like destroying the Earth 616 Universe and then the others follow) are 2 very different things .
5. Like the Soul Gem also stating that Rune could take over BOTH MultiverseS with the IG.
Same as above
6. Like 4 Gems Creating UniverseS back to back.
Again , how is this Multiversal power ? Did they create Multiverses back to back ? No . Just Universes .
7. Like the same 4 Gems nearly destroying "ALL Realities"
As I said , this most defenitly means destroying Earth 616 Universe and then a chain reaction .
???You mean the 4 Gems Creating UniverseS from scratch in the Ultraverse? (in another Multiverse)
Or do you mean the 4 Gems nearly destroying the Omniverse from the Ultraverse?
"Multiversal?"
This points have already been adressed and the following one doesn't really prove anything .
Originally posted by Nikkolas
^ totally owned.Erik, I reccommend this thread.
Nope .
And I've already read it .
Originally posted by NikkolasBecause Ion had the exact same power Parallax possessed + other additional, [Magical] powers..
Why does everyone say Ion is more powerful than Parallax? I looked through their combined Respect thread several times and saw no indication of Ion making new timelines and realities while fighting the Spectre.
[Ion also had much greater knowledge in how to use this power, then Parallax had].
However,
Based on sheer number of panel feats, Thanos /w/ IG would probably take the slight majority.
Good fight though.
Originally posted by Mr Mastererik is getting so owned. this is fun to watch.
Again.The 4 Gems were NOT in the 616 Reality.
The 4 Gems were in the Ultraverse.
The Ultraverse isn't part of the Prime Multiverse.
The Ultraverse is located OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse that houses 616.
So there is a problem with your theory.
The entire known Universe is the Marvel Universe which = the Omniverse.
Or were you under the impression that Reed only knows about the 616 Reality? 😂
You do realize their only talking about the MIND Gem in those scans. 😆
Dude do your research before just throwing scans around.
That's because the Infinity Gems belong to the 616 Reality, so it's the darkest secret of the Universe.
But here we have Thanos making another statement in that era:
"ALL the UniverseS is but clay in my hands"
"Thanos declares himself the Supreme Being over This ... an ALL UniverseS"
And again,
they're still only dealing with the MIND Gem.
Never.
What there really is, is Multiversal On Panel Feats.
1. Like Magus Merging Two UniverseS in an instant with an INCOMPLETE IG.
2. Like Magus owning the UN with an INCOMPLETE IG.
3. Like ONLY the LT being depicted as being more powerful.
4. Like the LT himself claiming,
the IG can conquer Rune's Multiverse and perhaps his own (that's at least TWO MultiverseS)5. Like the Soul Gem also stating that Rune could take over BOTH MultiverseS with the IG.
6. Like 4 Gems Creating UniverseS back to back.
7. Like the same 4 Gems nearly destroying "ALL Realities"
???
You mean the 4 Gems Creating UniverseS from scratch in the Ultraverse? (in another Multiverse)
Or do you mean the 4 Gems nearly destroying the Omniverse from the Ultraverse?
"Multiversal?"
forgetu
A fully functioning IG has been in the hands of 3 Individuals:
Thanos (Only wanted One Universe)
Nebula (was partly insane ... still pwnd the Cosmic Hierarchy simultaneously)
Warlock (didn't want any Universe)
As for Thanos and Warlock:
Well according to the Writers,
they became GOD! (not TOAA ... but GOD below the LT)
