galactus vs dc round 2

Yo.

Originally posted by Avlon
John never held Asmodel at bay. He kept getting pwned for his troubles even after death, and Asmodel didn't even take him seriously.

Asmodel - "You try my patience."

perhaps "at bay" isnt entirely correct, however he did occupy Asmodels time while the others saw about taking out the rogue angels en masse:

also, most of the time J'onn got taken out by Asmodel, it WAS mostly due to him getting hit by fire, and even then Jonn still on avg did wat he needed to do.

does this mean he'd beat the angel? Im not gonna say that, but I do think their fight would be MUCH closer.

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

perhaps "at bay" isnt entirely correct, however he did occupy Asmodels time while the others saw about taking out the rogue angels en masse:

also, most of the time J'onn got taken out by Asmodel, it WAS mostly due to him getting hit by fire, and even then Jonn still on avg did wat he needed to do.

does this mean he'd beat the angel? Im not gonna say that, but I do think their fight would be MUCH closer.

Tazer

MM occupied Asmodels time like a kid kicks rocks out of boredom. In no way is Martian Manhunter any kind of match for Asmodel nor will he ever be. He was just unfortunately always in the way for some reason.

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
again ur wrong. he couldnt handle the power of the presence. thats what stopped him. get ur facts straight for once.

he couldnt handle it, but he didnt go mad either; he gained enlightenment imo.

and the Presence didnt intervene in this story like he did in Paradise Lost

Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by Avlon
MM occupied Asmodels time like a kid kicks rocks out of boredom. In no way is Martian Manhunter any kind of match for Asmodel nor will he ever be. He was just unfortunately always in the way for some reason.

hey, even in Heaven Jonn managed to keep the demon & rogue angel horde from moving past a certain point til Zauriel met up w/him, and the only reason Y he was worse for wear THERE was due to that fire gaze-atk he uses.

in EVER fight they went at it, Jonn is severely dmg'd by it, and w/o it I think the fight would be alot better; might not be a diff outcome, but it goes better for Jonn IMNSHO.

and while Asmodel is no joke, to deny the fact that Jonn made a problem of himself is a serious mistake.

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

hey, even in Heaven Jonn managed to keep the demon & rogue angel horde from moving past a certain point til Zauriel met up w/him, and the only reason Y he was worse for wear THERE was due to that fire gaze-atk he uses.

in EVER fight they went at it, Jonn is severely dmg'd by it, and w/o it I think the fight would be alot better; might not be a diff outcome, but it goes better for Jonn IMNSHO.

and while Asmodel is no joke, to deny the fact that Jonn made a problem of himself is a serious mistake.

Tazer

In heaven, Jonn was on the side of the Angel's defending heaven and basically a (martian) angel himself..and being dead himself (at least at the time) I doubt he still had a weakness to flame. He did do his thing as a warrior of heaven though, along with the warriors on his side...but it was a useless tirade as Azzy was running through them effortlessly until the presence stopped him.

The only time his weakness to flame was ever really exposed was when Asmodel straight up used it in the boys body.

I never said Jonn didn't make a problem of himself, but he was more of a nuisance than a challenge of any type. Azzy never once took him serious, dead or alive. MM simply stands no chance or ever will.

Yo.

Originally posted by Avlon
In heaven, Jonn was on the side of the Angel's defending heaven and basically a (martian) angel himself..and being dead himself (at least at the time) I doubt he still had a weakness to flame. He did do his thing as a warrior of heaven though, along with the warriors on his side...but it was a useless tirade as Azzy was running through them effortlessly until the presence stopped him.

Jonn wasnt an angel, and the only atk we saw him get hit with cause him any concern.....was the fire gaze -atk. when he meets up w/Zauriel he tells him that he held them back & refused to let any of them pass, and this was after Asmodel blasted him.

Originally posted by Avlon
The only time his weakness to flame was ever really exposed was when Asmodel straight up used it in the boys body.

right.....which was 2 out of the 3 times they met (and an argument could be made for the 1st too.

Originally posted by Avlon
I never said Jonn didn't make a problem of himself, but he was more of a nuisance than a challenge of any type. Azzy never once took him serious, dead or alive. MM simply stands no chance or ever will.

Asmodel didnt take *any1* serious, but that doesnt mean Jonn didnt give him any trouble.

Tazer

Originally posted by quanchi112
galactus takes on gog(kingdom),superboy prime,asmodel,black adam,shazam!!!!!!!

fight takes place on the rock of eternity. galactus is well fed.

Why is Black Adam here? I'd say the team has Good chance of winning if they work together. This is just like if galactus was fighting Odin, Thanos, Surtur, and maybe Onslaught. He'd lose too. After A good fight.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

he couldnt handle it, but he didnt go mad either; he gained enlightenment imo.

and the Presence didnt intervene in this story like he did in Paradise Lost

Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
he couldnt handle it. thats the point. he couldnt deal with the power of the presence.

which isnt something I doubted or refuted, now is it?

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Jonn wasnt an angel, and the only atk we saw him get hit with cause him any concern.....was the fire gaze -atk. when he meets up w/Zauriel he tells him that he held them back & refused to let any of them pass, and this was after Asmodel blasted him.

Jonn was dead, and every shot was a 1 shot for the poor guy. He was on the side of the angel's and being dead was fairly equivalent to one. It didn't help him unfortunately when Azzy came through.

Originally posted by Tazer
right.....which was 2 out of the 3 times they met (and an argument could be made for the 1st too.

The second time was completely deliberate though. The other times it was either an effect of the battle, or directly through Azzy's powerset..but the result was the same.

Originally posted by Tazer
Asmodel didnt take *any1* serious, but that doesnt mean Jonn didnt give him any trouble.

If being smacked down and pwned all the time is trouble..then yes...he did.

Yo.

Originally posted by Avlon
Jonn was dead, and every shot was a 1 shot for the poor guy. He was on the side of the angel's and being dead was fairly equivalent to one. It didn't help him unfortunately when Azzy came through.

thats not true: he got eye-blasted in JLA, but dove right back at him AND was on his feet when Kal-el showed up; he got backhanded THEN fire-blasted THEN tossed into vacuum in _PL_; and at the end of THAT story he got fire-blasted *yet again* but was still on his feet (admittedly shaky) when he was resuscitated.

none of those fit the description of 1-shotted. he didnt come off as "oh $#!t....Jonns back up!!" granted, but he was far from wtfpwnerzd.

Originally posted by Avlon
The second time was completely deliberate though. The other times it was either an effect of the battle, or directly through Azzy's powerset..but the result was the same.

the LAST TWO were deliberate; the 1st was effect of battle, and PLUS Jonn did help Diana to try to push that chariot of Azzys away.....even tho he himself was being burned worse by it (due to his specific weakness).

Originally posted by Avlon
If being smacked down and pwned all the time is trouble..then yes...he did.

if it slows down the enemy, even a little bit....Id say so.

maybe not a GREAT AMOUNT of it, but still.......

Tazer

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Why is Black Adam here? I'd say the team has Good chance of winning if they work together. This is just like if galactus was fighting Odin, Thanos, Surtur, and maybe Onslaught. He'd lose too. After A good fight.

I give the team this win because of one Factor really and thats asmodel in his Angel Form (and Shazam to). But Galactus losing against Odin Thanos Surtur and Onslaught... thats a little far off Nvr IMO.

Originally posted by Tazer
thats not true: he got eye-blasted in JLA, but dove right back at him AND was on his feet when Kal-el showed up; he got backhanded THEN fire-blasted THEN tossed into vacuum in _PL_; and at the end of THAT story he got fire-blasted *yet again* but was still on his feet (admittedly shaky) when he was resuscitated.

none of those fit the description of 1-shotted. he didnt come off as "oh $#!t....Jonns back up!!" granted, but he was far from wtfpwnerzd.

He occupied some of Asmodels time, I'll give him that. MM had no chance whatsoever of even beginning to damage Azzy. Blue who is far more powerful didn't damage him either.

Originally posted by Tazer
the LAST TWO were deliberate; the 1st was effect of battle, and PLUS Jonn did help Diana to try to push that chariot of Azzys away.....even tho he himself was being burned worse by it (due to his specific weakness).

I don't know if holding the chariot was due to his weakness. Diana was burning just as bad as he was. The last one wasn't deliberate in the sense that it's a natural ability to Azzy. He just blasted him..and MM was still dead at the time. I doubt he had the same weakness as when he was alive.

Originally posted by Tazer
if it slows down the enemy, even a little bit....Id say so.

maybe not a GREAT AMOUNT of it, but still.......

Jonn played "jesus" in the sense that he was a distraction. Unfortunately, he wasn't a challenge.

Hopefully, we'll see more of Asmodel in the future..and hopefully it's done by Morrison, Waid, or even Lym.

Originally posted by Avlon
Galactus has nothing on him that can hurt Asmodel.

Matter manip? Asmodel can destroy matter with a thought.

Angels never get tired, Galactus does.

Angels are immortal, Galactus isn't.

Galactus has no defense against the light of heaven attack.

Energy Superman stalemated Asmodel briefly?

Guardian went even further with Galactus..and Blue could have done the same thing with Galan.

What are the feats of Admodel? I couldn't find much information so I had to resort to checking wikipedia.

His angelic form apparently has a weakness to ultrasonic sound.

Now for the purposes of debate: Galactus can also destroy matter with a thought, on a cosmic scale. What scale does Asmodel operate in?

Galactus gets fatigued while fighting top-tier beings (Phoenix Force, In-Betweener, Full-power Tyrant) who operate on a cosmic scale, are fundamental parts of the universe, and so forth. Localized individuals (Thor, Iron Man, Strange, etc.) have almost always fought Galactus while he was already starving. Again, what scale does Asmodel operate on, as it seems to me that he was defeated by the JLA. The Avengers have done the same to Galactus, for sure, but again the caveat is the overly-used plot device of a hungry/starving Galactus.

In terms of immortality...that is only relavent to a certain degree. E.g. Doomsday cannot be killed, does that mean Doomsday wins against Galactus?

As for the light of heaven attack. What exactly does the attack do? Per wikipedia, it drives the victim insane unless he/she has the purest of souls.

Mephisto acknowledged that he could not defeat Galactus in any fashion because Galactus exists beyond the concepts of good and evil. He is neither. If the light of heaven is contingent on the "soul" of the target, it would have no effect at all on Galactus, because he doesn't possess a soul, and he also has no good or evil within him. Therefore I don't see the attack having any effect whatsoever.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
What are the feats of Admodel? I couldn't find much information so I had to resort to checking wikipedia.

His angelic form apparently has a weakness to ultrasonic sound.

Now for the purposes of debate: Galactus can also destroy matter with a thought, on a cosmic scale. What scale does Asmodel operate in?

Galactus gets fatigued while fighting top-tier beings (Phoenix Force, In-Betweener, Full-power Tyrant) who operate on a cosmic scale, are fundamental parts of the universe, and so forth. Localized individuals (Thor, Iron Man, Strange, etc.) have almost always fought Galactus while he was already starving. Again, what scale does Asmodel operate on, as it seems to me that he was defeated by the JLA. The Avengers have done the same to Galactus, for sure, but again the caveat is the overly-used plot device of a hungry/starving Galactus.

In terms of immortality...that is only relavent to a certain degree. E.g. Doomsday cannot be killed, does that mean Doomsday wins against Galactus?

As for the light of heaven attack. What exactly does the attack do? Per wikipedia, it drives the victim insane unless he/she has the purest of souls.

Mephisto acknowledged that he could not defeat Galactus in any fashion because Galactus exists beyond the concepts of good and evil. He is neither. If the light of heaven is contingent on the "soul" of the target, it would have no effect at all on Galactus, because he doesn't possess a soul, and he also has no good or evil within him. Therefore I don't see the attack having any effect whatsoever.

This is a description of his abilities along with an interview with G. Morrison...his creator.

On the physical plane, there is really no way to hurt him.

Neron who is pretty much the same as mephisto feared Asmodel...as for the light of heaven attack. Galan does feel, it's been shown in the SS series more than once. I doubt that Galan is above such a divine attack.

Are you sure that Galactus can destroy matter? I know he can manipulate it...but destroying it is a whole other level. Azzy can do it with a thought.

Strange fought pretty much well-fed Galactus. Read Strange's RT. And Classic Strange doesn't seem too "local"...not cosmic in terms of location, though.
Galactus is even much more worse thing in terms in jobbing that Darkseid...who has been often shown as Supes' punching bag.

And as for Asmodel wrestling Superman...call it "flagship must have the biggest guns" policy.

Yo.

Originally posted by Avlon
He occupied some of Asmodels time, I'll give him that. MM had no chance whatsoever of even beginning to damage Azzy. Blue who is far more powerful didn't damage him either.

I'll say prolly true on the 1st point, and on the 2nd I'll say that its not like Sparky Supes actually HIT him really.

Originally posted by Avlon
I don't know if holding the chariot was due to his weakness. Diana was burning just as bad as he was. The last one wasn't deliberate in the sense that it's a natural ability to Azzy. He just blasted him..and MM was still dead at the time. I doubt he had the same weakness as when he was alive.

when the chariot was coming down, Diana commented on how its touch was burning Jonn, who simply bore thru the pain to continue his effort.

Originally posted by Avlon
Jonn played "jesus" in the sense that he was a distraction. Unfortunately, he wasn't a challenge.

Hopefully, we'll see more of Asmodel in the future..and hopefully it's done by Morrison, Waid, or even Lym.

maybe not, be he did wat he needed to do. which is all Im saying.

and agreed, I would like to see Asmodel again sometime soon.

Tazer

Originally posted by Avlon
This is a description of his abilities along with an interview with G. Morrison...his creator.

On the physical plane, there is really no way to hurt him.

Neron who is pretty much the same as mephisto feared Asmodel...as for the light of heaven attack. Galan does feel, it's been shown in the SS series more than once. I doubt that Galan is above such a divine attack.

Are you sure that Galactus can destroy matter? I know he can manipulate it...but destroying it is a whole other level. Azzy can do it with a thought.

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Neron is EVIL thats why he feared Asmodel as he did (Light of Heaven attack)=GOOD...where as Galactus is neither "GOOD" nor "EVIL" So Asmodels most powerful attack would have no effect on Gala. Hence Asmodel dies.

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asmodel was pretty interesting character. he makes my top five. if he comes back i want to see him in angelic form with his powers returned somehow. no more skin suit crap. the team wins this but galactus goes down in an honorable defeat.

1000 Hiroshimas is only 15 megatons. That's not very impressive.