This is exactly how fanboys talk.
"Predator 2 was great because it had better weapons, which equals better Predator"
I didnt realized a movie was considered great by shitty weapson. Oh look, he has a spear and some net thingy. Sure looks cool but doesnt make the fact that Predator 2 was dumb. A special forces team cant kill the Predator but a fat ass cop can? Doesnt make sense.
There isnt any suspense in Predator 2 because you see it at the very start and it ruins any sort mystique about it. Look at the first one, the great thing about is that the viewers are figuring out what exactly the thing is just as how the characters are also. In Predator 2, your like, "oh, its the Predator, whoopy ****ing do"
What made Alien and Predator so good is that you never see the villian. It makes it scarier. Predator 2, you see it so much.
Its not the better the tools the better the Predator, its because of the weapons we can see more of its potential (And its cooler). It may seem stange that Danny Glover could beat the Predator while a trained team couldn't, but don't forget the Predator was injured from getting its hand cut off and getting shot in the chest with a shotgun. Since you saw the Predator more you could tell more about the way it acts, in the first all you got to see was a blur so you can't tell much.
Originally posted by Smasandian
[B]This is exactly how fanboys talk."Predator 2 was great because it had better weapons, which equals better Predator"
I didnt realized a movie was considered great by shitty weapson. Oh look, he has a spear and some net thingy. Sure looks cool but doesnt make the fact that Predator 2 was dumb. A special forces team cant kill the Predator but a fat ass cop can? Doesnt make sense.
Nice to see you 'cleverly' edited out the rest of what I said. 🙄
You forget, the Spec Forces team was caught by surprise, they didn't expect the Predator to see them(They explain that they are sure that the Predator only sees in Infa-Red, which is clearly proven wrong in the following scene), and when they were caught by surprise, they got slaughtered. And if you see the seen where Glover changes his shirt the Police Station, he's far from a fatass. And did you even NOTICE what it took for Glover to take the Predator down? He had to;
1. Shoot it 7 times with a 55. caliber shotgun
2. Cut off it's arm.
3. Make it get thrown through a solid brick wall.
Even then, he only won because the Predator got cocky, like the one in the first if I remember correctly.
[b] there isnt any suspense in Predator 2 because you see it at the very start and it ruins any sort mystique about it. Look at the first one, the great thing about is that the viewers are figuring out what exactly the thing is just as how the characters are also. In Predator 2, your like, "oh, its the Predator, whoopy ****ing do"One problem, dumbass; the Predator was already revealed in the first one! If anything, that basically ruined the mystique. Hell, if you want to see an example of a sequel trying to be like the first movie, look at Alien3. It tried to mimic the suspense of the first, but failed at it because, guess what? WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THE ALIEN! Much like we've already seen the Predator in the first film! What you're essentially saying is that it shouldve been a remake, carbon-copy of P1, which wouldve been shit, because if I wanted to see a movie like it, I'd just watch P1.
What made Alien and Predator so good is that you never see the villian. It makes it scarier. Predator 2, you see it so much.
If anything, I'm glad they didn't make it a carbon-copy of P1.
Originally posted by The Predator
Nice to see you 'cleverly' edited out the rest of what I said. 🙄You forget, the Spec Forces team was caught by surprise, they didn't expect the Predator to see them(They explain that they are sure that the Predator only sees in Infa-Red, which is clearly proven wrong in the following scene. And if you see the seen where Glover changes his shirt the Police Station, he's far from a fatass. And did you even NOTICE what it took for Glover to take the Predator down? He had to;
1. Shoot it 7 times with a 55. caliber shotgun
2. Cut off it's arm.
3. Make it get thrown through a solid brick wall.
Even then, he only won because the Predator got cocky, like the one in the first if I remember correctly.
One problem, dumbass; the Predator was already revealed in the first one! If anything, that basically ruined the mystique. Hell, if you want to see an example of trying to be like the first movie, look at Alien3. It tried to mimic the suspense of the first, but failed at it because, guess what? WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THE ALIEN! Much like we've already seen the Predator in the first film! What you're essentially saying is that it shouldve been a remake, carbon-copy of P1, which wouldve been shit, because if I wanted to see a movie like it, I'd just watch P1.
If anything, I'm glad they didn't make it a carbon-copy of P1.
Originally posted by Shadow SpiderFirst of all, how the hell can you like AVP? It basically shitted on both the Aliens and the Predators(Predators more-so, IMHO).
Well I'm a fan of all the Alien, Predator, and AvP movies and none have disappointed me. AvP Wasn't horrible at all, it might seem that way to some people since it was more of an action movie then a horror movie. Personally, I think the action parts let us see how the two sides would act if they got into a fight. If you read the comics, you'd know that the fights in the comics ended similarly to the ones in AvP. The Predator 1 and 2 weren't bad, but depending on the location determined how the Predator acted (A dense jungle leads to more stealth while a crowded city might call for a more aggressive approach).I do agree with the Box Office thing, just because a movie got a lot of money doesn't mean its good, AvP, however, proved this wrong since it was in fact good.
The characters were wooden, unlikeable and badly acted(Save Charles Weyland), there was hardly any action and when there was, you couldn't tell what the hell was going on, it screwed with the Predators origins, screwed with their bodies(Thanks for making them over-steriod freaks, Paul 'Wasted Semen' Anderson, you dope), their faces('We wanted to make them look more human', WTF?!?!?!) and the their weapons/armor, the Aliens got stuck with the absolutely shitty Alien: Resurrection design, had their reproduction cycle screwed up, and were turned into 'serpents'.
If anything, AVP shouldn't even be mentioned with Alien 1-3 and Predator 1-2.
Originally posted by The Predator
First of all, how the hell can you like AVP? It basically shitted on both the Aliens and the Predators(Predators more-so, IMHO).The characters were wooden, unlikeable and badly acted(Save Charles Weyland), there was hardly any action and when there was, you couldn't tell what the hell was going on, it screwed with the Predators origins, screwed with their bodies(Thanks for making them over-steriod freaks, Paul 'Wasted Semen' Anderson, you dope), their faces('We wanted to make them look more human', WTF?!?!?!) and the their weapons/armor, the Aliens got stuck with the absolutely shitty Alien: Resurrection design, had their reproduction cycle screwed up, and were turned into 'serpents'.
If anything, AVP shouldn't even be mentioned with Alien 1-3 and Predator 1-2.
Originally posted by Shadow SpiderWhatever, you're entitled to your own opinion, still don't know how a fan of the earlier movies can like that crap excuse of a movie. Maybe. That's because the guy was insane, he didn't even know what it was, whereas the 'markings' in the pyramid elaborated on the Aliens, which sucks since it turns a cool, unique movie monster into a B-movie crap monster.
Sorry I like AvP, the origin of the Predators could have just been that specific clan. And would you rather the Aliens be called Dragons like in Alien 3?
Originally posted by The Predator
Whatever, you're entitled to your own opinion, still don't know how a fan of the earlier movies can like that crap excuse of a movie. Maybe. That's because the guy was insane, he didn't even know what it was, whereas the 'markings' in the pyramid elaborated on the Aliens, which sucks since it turns a cool, unique movie monster into a B-movie crap monster.
Originally posted by The Predator
I thought it was boring. Atleast with LA you had some activity and didn't know where the Predator would strike next or who he would strike. Plus, it was cool seeing the Predator slaughtering heavily armed drug dealers and cops. The characters in the first one were, in my opinion, acted more like buffed up action heroes, whereas the one's in P2 were more human and believable.
Originally posted by The Predator
First of all, don't ever trust the Box Office. AVP had an AMAZING Box Office yield, but is it a good movie? HELL NO! That and I don't trust critics. Hell, Siskel and Ebert bashed the first, and it was a good movie, just goes to show you how stuck up they are.
Originally posted by The Predator
Bullshit. We only saw glimpses of the Predator and saw him for about 15 minutes at the end, the rest concentrated on Arnie, and last time I checked, the movie was named 'Predator', not 'Arnold Shwarzeneggar'. Predator 1 might aswell be just another Arnie Action Film, whereas Predator 2 can stand by itself.
Originally posted by The Predator
Last time I checked, so was your opinion aswell, hypocrite.
Originally posted by The Predator
Are you racist or something?
Originally posted by The Predator
You seem to have a clear dislike for Glover.
Originally posted by The Predator
At any rate, and I ain't going to watch Arnie and The Muscles wander around a jungle aimlessly. And last time I checked, the Predator and Glover didn't fight until near the end, the rest had some great scenes of the Predator hunting and killing heavily armed drug dealers and cops.
Originally posted by The Predator
And last time I checked, the Predator in P2 was FAR from a 'fatass'.
I guess you didn't get it the first time when I put the word "slow" before fatass. The predator in the second movie was ridiculously slower and less agile than the one in the first.
Originally posted by The Predator
Yeah, got a problem with that?
As I mentioned above, the Box Office yield DOESN'T MEAN SHIT!
Originally posted by The Predator
AVP had a good box office yield, and ask any fan, and they'll tell you it was F*CKING HORRIBLE!
Originally posted by The Predator
And as I mentioned before, critics didn't like Predator 1 either, so your points are just about moot.
Predator 2:
IMDB: 5.7/10 20,069 votes
Rotten Tomatoes: 4.6/10
Box Office Mojo: C
Yahoo Users: B- 1993 votes
Not only did Predator get better ratings in every single one, but also had an astoundingly greater number of votes, which proves that more people showed interest in it and gives the statistical information more credibility (example: the low turnout for Yahoo users is more than likely why Predator 2 even got a B-. Look at IMDB more people voted and the discrepancy between the two shows a much greater margin.)
The opinions of many are greater than your sole opinion. Yes, according to the vast majority of the people, Predator is greater than Predator 2.
Anyways, I'll let the people decide from here on out. Like I said, I just came here to see what people had to say about AVPR. I thought it was good.
Originally posted by JediSamuraiMRB
AVP-R made around $27 million. Thats good considering its budget of $40 million. I think another may happen.
As for the movie itself, it was an ok movie. I liked some of the fights and PredAlien and the fact that they used the Predator theme(Predator 1) every time he was on screen but it was nothing special. The ending I thought was just plain stupid. Even with what they got at the end I dont think humans would be a threat to either species.