Classic Juggs vs Superboy Prime

This fight will end up with no victor, Juggernaut can not be hurt if he wills himself invulnerable, the only thing SBP could do to him is bounce him around the universe like a super ball, but this will not stop him or render him unconscious. I don't mean to be argumentative, but the fact is Juggernaut with his full powerset has no strength limits he can lift anything, he does not tire, he does not need air to breath, he does not need food, he can't be stopped, unless by a force that can render his enchantments useless. This fight is a stalemate initially, but if it continues for too long SBP will begin to tire, because like all Kryptonians, SBP is a battery, and we all know what happens when batteries wear out right? I can go as far as saying that Juggernaut in the proper setting will win in the long run, because he will eventually overcome Primes stamina and when that happens it's all over. What is the proper setting? I mentioned earlier on in this thread that if they fought in an inescapable arena that Juggernaut would win, because BFR would no longer be an viable option. This fact can be ignored as it was before but the fact still remains that Juggernaut can survive planet shattering impacts without breaking a sweat if he wills himself invulnerable.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Superboy Prime moved planets across the universe in a few months to change the center of the universe. He flew to Oa and Rao in a few hours. If he was only lightspeed, these things would have taken him billions of years to do.

I would like to correct something with this post. Superboy flying from oa and rao is a alright feat if for the fact that there isnt any gravity in space and that would increase his speed.

People seem not to get it. Ok, I would like to clarify something. A guy sent geoff (flash writer) a message asking him who would win in a race superman or flash. Geoff simply said flash by miles because for 1 flash has the power to take away superman speed; then he proceeded by saying; flash moves at light speed, I dont think superman will ever move that fast again. The last times he moved that fast was during his pre-crisis years. HMMM.

It was stated on panel that superboy can only move at the speed of light (which is still fast). It was stated numerous of times and also stated by the infinite crisis writer. He just got a speed boost when he was flying through space.

Now about juggernaut strength. Well it has been established that juggernaut has unlimited strength. Read the excaliber book when he was searching for the gem and was knocking over bridges. The narrator simply said that juggernaut possess great strength but nothing like he use to have. Juggernaut use to possess unlimited strength. Also read this http://www.uncannyxmen.net/glossary/showentry.asp?fldAuto=596
and
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=96

So there strength could almost be equal or could be on the edge to juggernaut since he has no limit. When has juggernaut ever struggled to move anything and didnt war hulk has limitless strength but juggernaut pushed him miles before being tripped. When has juggernaut ever been able to move a planet, to my knowledge dont you have to have flight power to do that.

Originally posted by carver9
I would like to correct something with this post. Superboy flying from oa and rao is a alright feat if for the fact that there isnt any gravity in space and that would increase his speed.

People seem not to get it. Ok, I would like to clarify something. A guy sent geoff (flash writer) a message asking him who would win in a race superman or flash. Geoff simply said flash by miles because for 1 flash has the power to take away superman speed; then he proceeded by saying; flash moves at light speed, I dont think superman will ever move that fast again. The last times he moved that fast was during his pre-crisis years. HMMM.

It was stated on panel that superboy can only move at the speed of light (which is still fast). It was stated numerous of times and also stated by the infinite crisis writer. He just got a speed boost when he was flying through space.

Now about juggernaut strength. Well it has been established that juggernaut has unlimited strength. Read the excaliber book when he was searching for the gem and was knocking over bridges. The narrator simply said that juggernaut possess great strength but nothing like he use to have. Juggernaut use to possess unlimited strength. Also read this http://www.uncannyxmen.net/glossary/showentry.asp?fldAuto=596
and
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=96

So there strength could almost be equal or could be on the edge to juggernaut since he has no limit. When has juggernaut ever struggled to move anything and didnt war hulk has limitless strength but juggernaut pushed him miles before being tripped. When has juggernaut ever been able to move a planet, to my knowledge dont you have to have flight power to do that.

Yes you need flight to push a planet, that is what I was getting at, if Juggernaut could fly he would be able to do those things as well. very good points.

by the way superboy wins this fight by bfr anything besides that juggernaut would eventually wear him down and would win the fight. The only way to beat juggernaut is bfring or being a strong telepath, which superboy dont have.

I agree completely Carver. But in the proper setting.......

Originally posted by Kutulu
Speed blitzing multiple flashes at the same time doesn't count?

durznuts

Wow, you didnt read the book huh. Superboy prime simply spinned in a circle fast (really fast) spinning the flashes off of him. Now if he flew to the flash at super speed tagging them, then i would consider that a speed blitz but he simply stayed in one spot and spinned in a circle. Something that even wonderwoman can do.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Phenomentroll is just an idiot. He fails to understand that it took 3 Flashes to take SBP into the Speedforce, and they had to push their powers to the maximum to do so (and SBP was still fighting it even when it was happening). Even Barry helped at the end. Not to mention SBP fought hundreds of GLs in space at FTL speeds.

It took two flashes and he couldnt react to either. He only went into the speed force once. The time that he fought all 3 flashes wasnt during the time he went into the speed force.

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IF Juggy starts with Force field up, then he cant be bfr, but if its in ready set go format, he cant put his shields up intime b4 being speed blitzed and then bfr. Still stalemate unless bfr is allowed (in which SBP wins) or if its soly hand to hand (juggy wins)

3 flashes was there but one of them ended up falling due to superboy prime.

why is people bringing up juggernaut shield when he dont need it. Juggernaut is still completely invulnerable without it. Juggernaut durability dont come from the sun or come from lantern, it is his power, his durability has never been cracked, except by magic.

Do people know what invulnerability is, well if you do then lets just say that juggernaut possess a high degree of it. If you include his shield then thats just another step ahead of his durability. Lets put it like this, when juggernaut used his shield, he walked through the god blast created by thor. When juggernaut used his shield, he walked through and laughed at the xmen powers. When juggernaut used his shield, he walked through everything that doctor strange through at him. When juggernaut used his shield he walked through everything that the exemplers through at him. When he used his shield he walked through hulk punches ending with hulk getting knocked the hell out.

Giving juggernaut his shield in this fight is pointless but it would also make it much harder for supeboy to win this fight. By the way, I know im going to get cursed out for this but i think that juggernaut will land blows on superboy since none of the kryptons (even though they have flight speed) dont have combat speed. Just ask grundy, despero, metallo, kalibak, batman (while wearing a powered bat suit), mongul, imperex probe, sharpnel, even hulk (when he fought pre crisis superman) because all of the above has beaten the hell out of superman, etc... physically and has landed numerous of blows. I guess you all will call all of that pis to huh. To me that is just telling me that superman has great flight speed but no combat speed. Two different things.

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
IF Juggy starts with Force field up, then he cant be bfr, but if its in ready set go format, he cant put his shields up intime b4 being speed blitzed and then bfr. Still stalemate unless bfr is allowed (in which SBP wins) or if its soly hand to hand (juggy wins)

I can tell that you know a lot about juggernaut.

Originally posted by quanchi112
sbp is faster and stronger. he wins this hands down. no other outcome for this juggs but losing.

faster yeah, stronger, i give the edge to juggernaut due to cytorrak. Do you know what unlimited strength is, well if you do juggernaut has it and to my knowledge you cant get any higher than unlimited. Now show me a scan or bio saying that superboy has unlimited strength. I have seen the same said for war hulk, can you show me something for superboy. I dont think that you can. Your going by him moving planets, something that beta ray bill has done and something that is in gladiator powers to do. That dont mean that either has unlimited strength.

I can use the same argument against you. I have seen gladiator stand on top of a planet and destroy it with his hands but superboy had to push planets together to destroy them. Gladiator destroyed the planet under his own power whereas superboy had to push planets together to destroy them. Does that make gladiator stronger or more powerful than superboy (who is one of the greatest villians ever.). By the way was superboy prime having a hard time against regular superboy. HMMM

Originally posted by carver9
faster yeah, stronger, i give the edge to juggernaut due to cytorrak. Do you know what unlimited strength is, well if you do juggernaut has it and to my knowledge you cant get any higher than unlimited. Now show me a scan or bio saying that superboy has unlimited strength. I have seen the same said for war hulk, can you show me something for superboy. I dont think that you can. Your going by him moving planets, something that beta ray bill has done and something that is in gladiator powers to do. That dont mean that either has unlimited strength.

I can use the same argument against you. I have seen gladiator stand on top of a planet and destroy it with his hands but superboy had to push planets together to destroy them. Gladiator destroyed the planet under his own power whereas superboy had to push planets together to destroy them. Does that make gladiator stronger or more powerful than superboy (who is one of the greatest villians ever.). By the way was superboy prime having a hard time against regular superboy. HMMM

argue that.

unlimited strength 😆

Not to take sides but, Juggernauts bio does state that he has unlimited strength. Superboy has a cap on his strength. It's also Strength, and invulnerabity vs Strength, super-speed and invulnerabilty, the question is who is more invulnerable? I'd say Juggernaut is stronger, and has the durabilty edge on Prime... after all Kryptonians expend energy when taking hits, and enough hits will wear them down over long periods of time. BFR is the only way that Prime wins this fight... there are forces greater than that which Kryptonians can bear, or bring to the table.

Originally posted by quanchi112
he was battling superboy and gave him a respectable death. it was for dramatic effect only. he kille dthirty lanterns and fought two supermen depowered. he is inexperienced to boot. hes a montser and one in which is to fast for slow as molasses juggernaut. juggeranut loses. speed +strength>strength.

argue that.

unlimited strength 😆

I agree with you man, you dont have to get all personal. Im just saying superboy didnt give him a fight even though i know for a fact superboy prime is his superior by far.

By the way are you implying that juggernaut dont have unlimited strength because if you are please read a little excaliber, its all in there. Juggernaut power is based off of strength and durability. Like i said before, I give this fight to superboy due to bfring but without that juggernaut would win everytime.

Why did you bring up him killing 30 lanterns when he couldnt even get rid of superboy and where in that book did it say that he was even holding back from superboy. During there 1st encounter, I could have sworn that he had superboy in the air in a choke hold and was about to kill him until the titan interveined.

With bfring superboy 10/10
Without it juggernaut 10/10

Both are extremely powerful.