Michael Vicks public apology.....

Started by Czarina_Czarina8 pages

sorry for so many posts:

the two sides of lobster liberation movement, PETA vs Consumers

http://www.lobsterlib.com/

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm?headline=2743

• Lobsters can attain a high degree of associative learning and can make distinctions about their environment. They can learn to associate certain chemical signals with punishments and others with rewards.
• Lobsters have memories. They explore new environments but not ones that they’ve previously explored. They form stable social hierarchies, and they can remember and recognize individuals whom they have fought with in the past.
• Lobsters can make generalizations. They can associate an individual odor with a mixture that contains it, perhaps using higher-order processing such as “configural discrimination,” which means that they can discern that a combination is not the same thing as the sum of its parts.
• Measurements of brain activity in the closely related crayfish show that their brains respond differently to interesting or irrelevant objects. Their brains also show “expectation,” which in humans is considered to be a sign of higher mental processing, associated with conscious experiences.
• Lobsters subjected to harmful events, such as electric shocks, respond similarly to the way that mammals react to pain. Experiments on crustaceans commonly assume that electric shocks are painful and use them as aversive stimuli.
• The nervous systems of lobsters and crabs produce opioids, which in mammals are chemicals that mediate pain. They also possess opioid receptors, which appear to function the same way as in other animals. Studies in crabs show that their defensive reaction to electric shocks or to being struck is reduced by morphine, that this effect is dose-dependent, and that the effect can be counteracted by naloxone, an opioid antagonist, as is also the case in mammals. It is implausible that lobsters would have pain-mediating chemicals and receptors and respond to painkillers just as other animals do if they could not feel pain.

"...last year a contingent from the terrorist Animal Liberation Front (ALF) snuck into the parking lot of a Chicago seafood distributor and cut the four brake lines on all but two of the company's 40-truck fleet. That attack endangered not only live lobsters, but also the human drivers -- not that PETA makes any distinction.

PETA's official position on attacks like this one is best summed up by PETA president Ingrid Newkirk, who has told the New York Daily News: "I will be the last person to condemn ALF."

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina
PETA's official position on attacks like this one is best summed up by PETA president Ingrid Newkirk, who has told the New York Daily News: "I will be the last person to condemn ALF."

But he eats cats for god's sake. Doesn't that mean anything? Won't someone think of the cats?

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

"Little bald guy running a seafood store down the
way told me I could avoid the boiling scream by
nuking them for 6 minutes.

They don't scream, they don't have the parts necessary to. The sound is air escaping from the carapace/shell.

Hahaha, cause there was this TV show. Haha.

Re: Michael Vicks public apology.....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I saw this just now on ESPN. He was making a public apology about his involvement in the illegal dog fighting ring, and he actually said "I have found Christ."

Here's more:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=207187&cl=3859889&ch=207399&src=sports

Thoughts?

Why the hell is he apologizing to us ?

No amount of fans forgiving him will alleviate him of what he did to the dogs. Why doesn't he apologize to the dogs he killed ?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Ya, right. 🙄 I think he is just trying to get sympathy.

yeah its so obvious.yeah like he's really going to change his ways.yeah right. 🙄 any atlanta falcons fan that forgives him is a disgrace to the human race.

Re: Re: Michael Vicks public apology.....

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Why the hell is he apologizing to us ?

No amount of fans forgiving him will alleviate him of what he did to the dogs. Why doesn't he apologize to the dogs he killed ?

exactly.yeah he's a grown man,he's not a bit sorry,such a liar.

Originally posted by Czarina_Czarina

-Lobsters can attain a high degree of associative learning and can make distinctions about their environment. They can learn to associate certain chemical signals with punishments and others with rewards.

-Lobsters can make generalizations. They can associate an individual odor with a mixture that contains it, perhaps using higher-order processing such as configural discrimination,? which means that they can discern that a combination is not the same thing as the sum of its parts.

-Measurements of brain activity in the closely related crayfish show that their brains respond differently to interesting or irrelevant objects. Their brains also show expectation which in humans is considered to be a sign of higher mental processing, associated with conscious experiences.

-Lobsters subjected to harmful events, such as electric shocks, respond similarly to the way that mammals react to pain. Experiments on crustaceans commonly assume that electric shocks are painful and use them as aversive stimuli.

-The nervous systems of lobsters and crabs produce opioids, which in mammals are chemicals that mediate pain. They also possess opioid receptors, which appear to function the same way as in other animals. Studies in crabs show that their defensive reaction to electric shocks or to being struck is reduced by morphine, that this effect is dose-dependent, and that the effect can be counteracted by naloxone, an opioid antagonist, as is also the case in mammals. It is implausible that lobsters would have pain-mediating chemicals and receptors and respond to painkillers just as other animals do if they could not feel pain.

insects have all of these...

none of them are very impressive and are essentially the way all nervous systems work

not to mention that the many of these things have been observed in organisms like bacteria

oh, and pain is subjective and cannot be measured in any empirical sense. Opioid receptor activation can be used to measure certain things, but not the experience of pain. There is no way to measure the experience of pain as it is entirely subjective.

Re: Re: Michael Vicks public apology.....

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny

No amount of fans forgiving him will alleviate him of what he did to the dogs. Why doesn't he apologize to the dogs he killed ?

Humans don't care about "animals." 😆

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Why the hell is he apologizing to us ?

No amount of fans forgiving him will alleviate him of what he did to the dogs. Why doesn't he apologize to the dogs he killed ?

Partly because they are dead I assume.

Oh right...also because they are ****ING DOGS!!!!

Originally posted by Bardock42
Partly because they are dead I assume.

Oh right...also because they are ****ING DOGS!!!!

I fail to see your point.

Originally posted by inimalist
insects have all of these...

none of them are very impressive and are essentially the way all nervous systems work

not to mention that the many of these things have been observed in organisms like bacteria

oh, and pain is subjective and cannot be measured in any empirical sense. Opioid receptor activation [b]can be used to measure certain things, but not the experience of pain. There is no way to measure the experience of pain as it is entirely subjective. [/B]

It's not only the subject of pain, as the issue with dog fighting, it's also the issue of humanity and compasion for life.

Originally posted by BackFire
I fail to see your point.

I think it was, seeing as how they're dogs, the apology would be a waste of time. Oh, and they're dead.

Originally posted by Devil King
I think it was, seeing as how they're dogs, the apology would be a waste of time. Oh, and they're dead.
Something along the lines.

Don't follow.

Doesn't make sense.

Hey Bardock. It's nice that you have a picture of yourself and your baby sister in your Avatar.

Originally posted by BackFire
Don't follow.

Doesn't make sense.

Hey Bardock. It's nice that you have a picture of yourself and your baby sister in your Avatar.


I like that of yours in your avatar too 😊

It's just me.

Originally posted by BackFire
It's just me.

Calling your sister ugly, are you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5xRj9bMjLA

wanted to share this same one here too, as animal lovers would love this you tube.

Why the **** are all of you pretending to care?

Originally posted by Dreamt
Why the **** are all of you pretending to care?

that applies to soooooo many situations