the difference between faith and blind faith

Originally posted by leonheartmm
id like to make a small correction{if u dont mind} in the first statement. in formal logic, inferences{or stating facts} only work in the present and for the past. you can only really say that so n so even happened since x time till now with 100% assurity. you can NOT use it to say that the event will also KEEP ON HAPPENING, at some basic level, that is faith. based on high probability.

Inferring a universal conclusion from particular premises is strong induction; so no, it is not faith.

Originally posted by Alliance
I'd say fact is also essential to fiction. I never clamed the end product is factual, I said that facts are required to give it proper and believable context.

Point taken.

Originally posted by Alliance

Then I assume you believe that a fact cannot exist out of the present? (in the past or the future)

I believe that fact, in terms of history and the such, is skewed by the author. What you are referring to as fact, I would call truth. There are different truths among folk; to me, fact is actually what happened regardless of what the shared paradigm is.

Originally posted by chithappens
I believe that fact, in terms of history and the such, is skewed by the author. What you are referring to as fact, I would call truth. There are different truths among folk; to me, fact is actually what happened regardless of what the shared paradigm is.

As a historian, I'd say it is impossible to achieve your truth because:

It is impossible to analyze history without using the paradigms of others. Even something like a photograph is influenced by those who made it.

Even using the available paradigms, you will never have all of them.

Given that, I'd see a looser definition of truth/fact (in a general sense).

Originally posted by Alliance
As a historian, I'd say it is impossible to achieve your truth because:

It is impossible to analyze history without using the paradigms of others. Even something like a photograph is influenced by those who made it.

Even using the available paradigms, you will never have all of them.

Given that, I'd see a looser definition of truth/fact (in a general sense).

I'm not a political scientist. Thats a hobby 😄

Originally posted by Alliance
I'm not a political scientist. Thats a hobby 😄

Do you think you have the experience and expertise to call yourself any of that just yet?

Yes. I've been doind my own independant research in both fields for over two years. If thinkgs go well, I should have two publications under my belt. Am i reforming my field, certianly not. But I know what it takes to answer questions. I understand how to tackle problems.

Most of my history, including my thesis, is ancient Roman history. "Fact" is a word that I have lots of trouble with, as when you have two authors as the only sources commenting on a single event, the likelyhood you know the "facts" is very low. However, this does not resign us to not knowing anyhting about Roman history. A large part of history is deciding what the facts are...and the facts continuously change. Fact, as a loose term, is always mutable.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is a difference. I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow morning. I have seen it before, and I understand how the Earth rotating works to make the sun come up in the morning.

That's not Faith, that's knowledge. It's something you know without a doubt.

Faith itself is belief in something with some sort of evidense (but not proof) to back it up. However, conviction is still there for some valid or acceptable reason.

Your Faith in Buddhism, for example, qualifies. You beleive in the effects of Buddhism, because you have SEEN IT yourself, over and over. Therefore your Faith that it will further aid you in the future is supported.

Blind Faith is unsupported Faith, with absolutely no evidense or support to back it up. Just beleiving in something because you want to, or because someone else told you too.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
That's not Faith, that's [b]knowledge. It's something you know without a doubt. [/B]

Do you know. You can't say for certian the sun will rise tomorrow.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
That's not Faith, that's [b]knowledge. It's something you know without a doubt.

Faith itself is belief in something with some sort of evidense (but not proof) to back it up. However, conviction is still there for some valid or acceptable reason.

Your Faith in Buddhism, for example, qualifies. You beleive in the effects of Buddhism, because you have SEEN IT yourself, over and over. Therefore your Faith that it will further aid you in the future is supported.

Blind Faith is unsupported Faith, with absolutely no evidense or support to back it up. Just beleiving in something because you want to, or because someone else told you too. [/B]

yes but you dont know without a doubt whether a thing will CONTINUE to happen. just because the earth stays beneath your feat today doesnt mean it can never NOT be there. there just is a VERY low probability of it happening. what if due to sum unseen physical anomoly the sun turned into a blackhole tomorrow. its probably never gonna happen but certainly, there is not 100% assurity that it WONT happen. just NEALRY 100%. the remaining point percentage is filled by faith.

{the same technical reason why scientific laws are NEVER called LAWS. they are always called THEORIES}

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
That's not Faith, that's [b]knowledge. It's something you know without a doubt.

Faith itself is belief in something with some sort of evidense (but not proof) to back it up. However, conviction is still there for some valid or acceptable reason.

Your Faith in Buddhism, for example, qualifies. You beleive in the effects of Buddhism, because you have SEEN IT yourself, over and over. Therefore your Faith that it will further aid you in the future is supported.

Blind Faith is unsupported Faith, with absolutely no evidense or support to back it up. Just beleiving in something because you want to, or because someone else told you too. [/B]

My faith in Buddhism is like the sun coming up in the morning. I know that is works for me because it is not magic or supernatural.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
My faith in Buddhism is like the sun coming up in the morning. I know that is works for me because it is not magic or supernatural.

Yes, but your Faith is not blind, because you have seen the results already. You just can't prove it to someone else.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Yes, but your Faith is not blind, because you have seen the results already. You just can't prove it to someone else.

I have proved it to other people. My wife and several of my friends joined after they saw how I changed.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
That's not Faith, that's [b]knowledge. It's something you know without a doubt.

Faith itself is belief in something with some sort of evidense (but not proof) to back it up. However, conviction is still there for some valid or acceptable reason.

Your Faith in Buddhism, for example, qualifies. You beleive in the effects of Buddhism, because you have SEEN IT yourself, over and over. Therefore your Faith that it will further aid you in the future is supported.

Blind Faith is unsupported Faith, with absolutely no evidense or support to back it up. Just beleiving in something because you want to, or because someone else told you too. [/B]

Originally posted by Alliance
In Christian scripture, I doubt you think that there was not a land called Cannan, or the city of Jeruselem, or a nation called Egypt. Facts in scripture provide the backdrop for the mythology, putting it in the context of our world and helping us to understand its message.

Originally posted by lord xyz
You're such an idiot. Making key words in your posts in bold makes you look even more of an idiot. Please stop that.

It does not make him look stupid. It just makes him look like JIA, oh, wait, I see what you mean. 😱 😆

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It does not make him look stupid. It just makes him look like JIA, oh, wait, I see what you mean. 😱 😆

Faith is believing that something will happen. Blind Faith is believing that something will happen.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It does not make him look stupid. It just makes him look like JIA, oh, wait, I see what you mean. 😱 😆

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Originally posted by lord xyz
I said it makes him look like an idiot, and I said that because it does. I see where you got that idea from though. Next time don't think looking like an idiot and looking stupid are the same. 😉

So, you simply did not understand the extreme irony of my post. 🙄