I don't give HK-47 enough credit because I don't believe his assassin-esque tendencies are going to allow him to overcome General Grievous in a conventional versus match? I doubt that marksmanship is going to be a major issue between the General's armor (comprised of superior technology)
The same armour with numerous gaps that completely expose his vital organs... The armour means little to a marksman as capable as HK-47.
and his superior reflexes.
Tell that to the Jedi that HK-47 gunned down, who not only had superior reflexes, but the ability to briefly see into the future. I see no evidence that suggests Grievous would even possess reflexes in any way beyond a regular Jedi, and thus he's very susceptible to being gunned down by a marksman of HK's caliber
Irrelevant? No. Unless HK-47 is suddenly deposited in a mountain bunker six kilometers from General Grievous's position, I somehow doubt that the General's vastly superior physical attributes aren't going come into play, given that the prodigious strength also continues into his legs and reflexes -- allowing him to perform superhuman leaps and thus able to cross vast distances compared to regular humans.
Yeah, I don't think you quite got my point.
Strength is certainly a great attribute of the General's, and it grants him great abilities like you said (though I'm kinda lost as to how his strength would factor in on his reflexes here), however for HK-47, strength pretty much plays no part in the way he fights, thus forming a comparison between the two in that respect is very much irrelevant.
If they start the duel at a considerable distance, HK-47 might pull off a victory.
Nice to see we agree.
Not that it matters.
Well I only just realised that the TC set conditions for the fight a couple of posts down, and it appears that they wouldn't actually be fighting at too great a distance from each other, but really, it's a cheap disadvantage for HK-47 given he excels at pursuing his target from a distance and forming some kind of plan whereas Grievous is more of the brute fighter that excels against an opponent once he closes in on them. But whatever; Grievous would most likely win.
General Grievous's reflexes were superior to the vast majority of the Jedi Order at the time -- and these were beings living in the so-called "prime of the Jedi" and capable of manipulating an all-powerful energy force to enhance their physical attributes.
Not saying that this might not be true, but could I have proof for this? All that I've ever seen noted about Grievous in comparison to other Jedi is his vastly superior speed and strength, and his unorthodox methods of playing on his opponent's fears, facing them when they're most vulnerable, and catching them off guard, as well as his unique way of fighting. I've never seen anything that suggests his reflexes specifically were on even the same level as Jedi, which doesn't really make sense given his lack of precognition.
He's faster in speed, he's got superior reflexes, and he has the benefit of being able to use six lightsabers simultaneously (he has repulsorlifts in his legs) -- in any form of Jedi combat he can. His computer analysis even managed to partially download and translate Vaapad, known for its unconventional method of fighting.In close combat? HK doesn't have a nanosecond before he's dismantled and I doubt ten, twenty, or thirty feet is going to make much of a difference.
I would probably agree with all of that.
One was a prodigious tactition prior to his shuttle crash,
True, but military tactics and fighting smarts hardly correlate. HK-47 was taught the smartest and most effective ways of killing jedi personally by Revan.
whereupon he was fitted with computers capable of analyzing combat regimens and tactics.
See above.
The other? A really sneaky droid, which -- incidentally -- Grievous is also notorious for. I'm not a KotoR expert, nor do I pretend to be, but I don't think that HK really compares.
Well as I was saying, HK-47's certainly been trained to fight intelligently, and his pre-KotOR exploits certainly suggest as much, for example the countless times he lured Jedi into mines after initiating combat with them, or blasting entire ceilings apart to trap Republic Soldiers.
It isn't debatable. General Grievous was trained in combat by Count Dooku and sparred with his elite Magnaguards to hunt down Jedi.
Oh wow, so he was trained by a guy who lived in a time with minimal Jedi-on-Jedi action on how to kill Jedi... This compares to being trained on how to take down Jedi by someone who lived in a time where jedi on jedi action was very much more common, how? Don't make me laugh, the training edge clearly goes to Hk-47; sparring droids and training from someone with very little experience of what he's actually teaching wouldn't change that in a million years.
Once again, in melee and close combat, he is lightyears ahead of HK-47. HK's only advantage is long distance warfare.
How about you quit telling me stuff I already know and get right to the point?
And first class? HK-47 was "first class" four thousand years ago. Technologically, again, Grievous has him nailed.
Why must you constantly form irrelevant comparisons? My point is, not only does HK receive first class training which is most likely superior to Grievous', but he also receives first class programming. Grievous doesn't; you can't program a sentient brain. He's no Neo. Both yourself and Hord clearly have no idea what you're talking about with that point.
This is unsupported. General Grievous, based on merit and feat, is physically stronger than HK-47 by a considerable distance. In terms of reflexes, agility, and speed -- he is also ahead by a considerable distance. He is capable of wielding a lightsaber in a fashion matching any of the seven forms of the Jedi Order -- including Vaapad (known for unconventional combat and, ergo, logically advantageous against someone such as HK) -- and better than most Jedi. He's also a tactical genius fitted with computer analysis capable of granting him the ability to deduce most combat regimens and tactics. And, lastly, he is also notoriously sneaky and opportunistic. He fights dirty, just like HK.
Already been dealt with.
I respect your opinion, but all you've offered in favor of HK are qualities Grievous himself excels at, not to mention that the General possesses even more advantages.
I didn't realise Grievous was an expert with demolitions, an expert marksman, someone who possesses and can use a jetpack effectively, someone who was trained to kill Jedi by a guy who lived in a time where this was common, and someone who possesses first class droid programming. Had no idea. 🙄
He wins. And in most cases? With pathetic ease.
In this scenario, most likely, though I think the advantage of flight which HK-47 gains via a jetpack is being very much underestimated here. Sure, Grievous can jump pretty high, but he can't fly, and if HK gets far enough in the air, Grievous pretty much can't do squat except wait to be sniped down.