Re: Wonder Woman Is Ruined!
Originally posted by Draco69
I just read the craptacular piece of garbage called Amazons Attack....WW is ruined. I mean RUINED. I have never witnessed such a massive destruction of a character's continuity:
(Someone was kind enough to point everything that went wrong in this spectacular failure of a comic book)
Amazons Attack: What Went Wrong?
- That Nothing Went Right -Continuity issues
-Circe has tried to kill the Amazons on a regular basis. Why would she assume that the gods protecting the Amazons would give her passage to Themiscyra?
- Monarchy abolished and Artemis and Phillipus are supposed to be elected rulers
- The Bana retconned as never having joined the Themiscyrans, even though Artemis, a Bana, was shown amongst themIn-Story Continuity issues
- Everyman/Sgt Steel says America is after Amazon technology, but later, Amazons are said to have none
- Internment Camps created in an extremely short time, and a bad idea aside
-At the begining of the story, at the end of both the first issue of Amazons Attack and Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman meets her mother. They are in talking distance. When the story picks up in the next issue, they apparently never met.Character issues
- Wonder Girl and Supergirl attack Air Force One
- Granny Goodness powerful enough to defeat the Olympian gods
- Granny Goodness powerful enough to wipe the minds of the whole Amazonian race
- Amazons killing men, women, children without remorse
- Amazons who feel guilty don't challenge Hippolyta's orders
- Hippolyta, former member of the JSA, spouting villainous speeches
- Hippolyta's motives changed from saving her daughter to stopping America to just killing
- Amazons trusting Circe, who was their nemesis for centuries
- Nemesis acting like a spoiled teenager
- The Bana
-Superman's senses are good enough to hear Air Force One as it starts to crash, from another state, and fast enough to get there in seconds. However he is unable to hear a group of soldiers sneaking up on him, and too slow to prevent them from shooting a group of Amazons he was talking to.Stortelling issues
- Contradictions between AA and WW titles
- Twists (Circe and Bana revealed) with served no purpose to the story
- American military abandoning Washington DC
- Superheroes confined to clean-up detail instead of attacking the Amazons
- Arrows shooting down jet pilots
- Wonder Woman playing a miniscule role throughtout the entire story
- Washington DC attacked for shock value
- Amazonian secret weapon built up and revealed as Bees. One casualty, and Bees defeated in one panel.
- Upon finding out that a high tech bomb had gone off, because "someone was taking opportunity of the chaos started by the Amazons," Wonder Woman knows it must be the Bana. There are no shortage of terrorist organizations in the DCU that would be just as good suspects, if not better ones.
- The big threat of the Bees are that their poison kills in hours.
- WW says she'll save Nemesis in one issue, but says saving him will delay things in another
- Using Circe once again so soon
- Superman not fast enough to save Grace from the Bana
- Batman overriding a sorceress as powerful as Circe where Zatanna failed
- Batman not even handcuffing Circe, but instead, leaving her knocked out on the floor
- Athena's final speech means nothing with the Granny reveal
- If Granny is that powerful, why can't she mindwipe Diana, Grace, or all of America?
- If Granny is that powerful, why not use the Amazons as her personal army?
- Bringing back the Amazons from IC, just to get rid of them again
- No resolution to the story; another lead-in to another story
- Diana shocked at hearing Nemesis say 'Diana' when Wonder Woman's name was well known
- Nemesis mind-wiped to forget Diana's identityCreator issues
- canceling Rucka's initial planned out story that was being built up, and rehashing it with editorial decisions
- Pfeiffer said Mind-control was too easy and lazy a solution, and yet that was basically Hippolyta's problem
- Pfeiffer using Granny/Athena's speech to make his view on war known
- Had low sales for an event, and lowered sales of titles that it crossed over toExtenuating issues with WW/AA
- Destroyed Rucka's well conceived Wonder Woman direction
- Turned WW from an Ambassador into someone who can't use simple things in life
- Destroyed all of WW's secondary cast*Sigh*
Not even Gail Simone can fix this mess.
I may be done reading DC comics for awhile.
Damn you, Will Pfiefer!!
Wrathful Dwarf was right....
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The Story was a mother ****ing FOOL is what it was. I couldn't make heads or tails of it. DC is ****ing up. Killing the New Gods and Messing up WW is going to make me start reading only the Avengers books.
Drama queens. 😂
WW isn't messed up. You had to put up with a year or so of crappy writers and delayed comics. Big deal. That's nothing compared to some other characters out there. Nightwing dealt with years of Devin Grayson, Bruce Jones and Judd Winick. Marv Wolfman took over and had to spend 6 months just telling you what the hell kind of person Nightwing is since those 3 screwed him over so bad. That's messed up.
Amazons Attack will be forgotten/retconned before you know it. Gail Simone is about to take over and likely knock it out the park as she usually does and you still have the Dodsons on art so it's going to be beautiful as well.
Wonder Woman has ALWAYS been and Always will be a rubbish character. No writer no matter how great has been able to do her properly (Whatever properly is ?). It a shame cos she has such potential. There are some really strong Female characters out there who literally make you want to read their comics (Emma Frost, Kitty Pryde, Storm, Zattana, Jenny Sparks, Electra) come to mind.
Originally posted by Validus
Those characters don't even have solo books outside of a mini series here and there, none of which garnering major attention. Would anyone actually read 200 issues of an ongoing Emma Frost or Kitty Pryde book?
No but theyre the main reason i read Astonoshing ! I certainly don't read it for Wolverine. And both are about a million times more interesting than Wonder Woman, who has more personalities than Peter Sellars.