Originally posted by Sirius77so many errors on here. thanos with the heart>the presence=geb>luc=michael>spectre
Lucifer=Thanos HOTI
Micheal=Classic Beyonder
Merged Specter=Classic Molecule-Man
The rest of DC The Source, FS, Aries w/ godwave,
The Anti-Monitor, PC Validus, Classic Ion, etc... pick
up the pieces.
thanos with he heart solos. hes supreme and crushed the competition. if dc had a supreme being stalemate but they dont. dc dies and fast.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Lucifer=Thanos HOTI
Micheal=Classic Beyonder
Merged Specter=Classic Molecule-Man
The rest of DC The Source, FS, Aries w/ godwave,
The Anti-Monitor, PC Validus, Classic Ion, etc... pick
up the pieces.
Actually Lucifer > Thanost HOTI
Michael > Classic Beyonder
Spectre (Merged) > Classic Molecule Man
Actually Lucifer > Thanost HOTI
Michael > Classic Beyonder
Lucifer can't beat LT, let alone someone with the power of TOAA.
Michael's full Godly creation power makes a MULTIVERSE and nothing more. He can take on PR Beyonder who has power a million times greater than the multiverse?
Pretty bad it takes some of the old Marvel cosmics to hang with today's DC cosmics. Who do they have today? LT, Abraxas, Phoenix Force, that's about it. The anti-DC and anti-Marvel gotta stop, this board was better 2 months ago.
The only Marvel Cosmic beings around today who are on par with Lucifer or Michael is LT.
Unless you want to get into the obscure characters Mr. Master knows all about. like Havok w/Nexus and whatnot.
Lucifer can't beat LT, let alone someone with the power of TOAA.
Lucifer , the 2nd being in Creation and the same one who survives creation destroying blast without much effort can't beat LT ? Yeah .. right 😉
Michael's full Godly creation power makes a MULTIVERSE and nothing more. He can take on PR Beyonder who has power a million times greater than the multiverse?
PR Beyonder has a power milions of times greater than the Marvel multiverse .
Beyonder also represented the power of a Multiverse , a Multiverse which is bigger than the Marvel one .
Not to mention that Michael's power has been stated to be infinite by God/The Presence which already puts him above pre-retcon Beyonder who was milions of times stronger than the rest of the Marvel Multiverse which isn't an infinity.
Lucifer , the 2nd being in Creation and the same one who survives creation destroying blast without much effort can't beat LT ? Yeah .. right
Yep Pretty sure LT was one of the first beings in existence as well and in his infininitely long existence guarding the many, many multiverses in the Marvel Omniverse, he's been labeled second only to The-One-Above-All. Lucy is like...3rd to Presence.
Not to mention that Michael's power has been stated to be infinite by God/The Presence
Except all his power was released and it wasn't infinite. It made a single multiverse.
There are at least 5 charactes in DC from the top of my head who can take the him.
LOL Like?
Lucy? He took a multiverse exploding blast. Beyonder effortlessly destroyed a dome capable of withstanding a multiversal destruction.
Michael with his "infinite" (NOT) power?
Presence and GEB can beat Beyonder.
Who is this other person/being?
I see you've conceded the point about the Beyonder , which is only natural . So let's move on .
Yep Pretty sure LT was one of the first beings in existence as well and in his infininitely long existence guarding the many, many multiverses in the Marvel Omniverse, he's been labeled second only to The-One-Above-All. Lucy is like...3rd to Presence.
Did you like just completly ignored my post or something ?
Except all his power was released and it wasn't infinite. It made a single multiverse.
The Multiverse created was infinite .
His power was stated as being infinite by the Presence .
Just because Lucifer shaped his infinite power into a Multiverse does in no way lower Michael's power because Lucifer could aswell shaped the infinite power into a Omniverse .
LOL Like?Lucy? He took a multiverse exploding blast. Beyonder effortlessly destroyed a dome capable of withstanding a multiversal destruction.
Michael with his "infinite" (NOT) power?
Presence and GEB can beat Beyonder.
Who is this other person/being?
I already proved that Michael has infinite power . And yes , Lucifer is one of those who could .
I'm not even going to include Great Evil Beast and The Presence in this because it wouldn't really be fair .
Spectre (Merged)
Lucifer
Michael
Elaine (Yahweh)
Mxy
These are just 5 being off the top of my head .
I see you've conceded the point about the Beyonder , which is only natural . So let's move on .
Huh? Stop making up shit. Beyonder is stronger than all these people. None of them have power millions of times greater than the multiverse, sadly.
Did you like just completly ignored my post or something ?
That's why I'm quoting and responding to it?
The Multiverse created was infinite .
Says...?
Any multiverse is infinite. Marvel's is.
His power was stated as being infinite by the Presence .
Who doesn't even know things Spectre knows.
Just because Lucifer shaped his infinite power into a Multiverse does in no way lower Michael's power because Lucifer could aswell shaped the infinite power into a Omniverse .
Why do you insist on LYING?
You've REPEATEDLY said it was an omniverse. Lucifer calls it a MULTIVERSE and nothing more.
I already proved that Michael has infinite power .
By making a multiverse with all his power?
I already proved that Michael has infinite power . And yes , Lucifer is one of those who could .
He'd be annihilated in short order Multiversal durability = dome. In fact, it <<<<< dome since the dome would survive while the multiverse would not. And Beyonder, easily, destroyed the dome.
Mxy
Yeah..no. Not even close.
Come back when you stop lying.
Huh? Stop making up shit. Beyonder is stronger than all these people. None of them have power millions of times greater than the multiverse, sadly.
You mean infinite power isn't bigger than something multiplied ? 😆
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That's why I'm quoting and responding to it?
Quoting ? Yes . Responding ? No
Says...?Any multiverse is infinite. Marvel's is.
We are currently talking in reference to Beyonder's Multiverse . So if the Marvel Multiverse is infinite and Beyonder's Multiverse is bigger than it then that means it's bigger than infinity right ? 😆
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Who doesn't even know things Spectre knows.
So you're saying that The Presence lied when he said Michael has infinite power and that he doesn't know what he's talking about ? 😆
Dude , you fail on so many levels here
Why do you insist on LYING?You've REPEATEDLY said it was an omniverse. Lucifer calls it a MULTIVERSE and nothing more.
Learn how to read . I already pointed out that he shaped the infinite power into a Multiverse . But since it was infinite it could aswell be shaped into a Omniverse .
By making a multiverse with all his power?
By being stated to have infinite power by the Presence .
He'd be annihilated in short order Multiversal durability = dome. In fact, it <<<<< dome since the dome would survive while the multiverse would not. And Beyonder, easily, destroyed the dome.
Lucifer wasn't even affected by the creation destroying blast . As a matter of fact , since the explosion that Michael released , which containde his infinite power , didn't even flinch Lucifer it means that something that contains an infinite amount of power barely managed to put problems to Lucifer .
Yeah..no. Not even close.Come back when you stop lying.
As a matter of fact he is close .
Stop lying ? Lying with what exactly ?
Oh I get it , you're one of those kids who repeats stuff like "stop lying" or "I so owned you" to make it look like you actually have a clue , right ?
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We are currently talking in reference to Beyonder's Multiverse . So if the Marvel Multiverse is infinite and Beyonder's Multiverse is bigger than it then that means it's bigger than infinity right ? laughingthumb down again
As per usual, you show you know nothing about Marvel Comics.
There are multiple levels of infinity in Marvel Comics.
So you're saying that The Presence lied when he said Michael has infinite power and that he doesn't know what he's talking about ?
Since the infinite power made a multiverse and nothing more - yes, he is wrong. And once more, Spectre saw things Presence did not. Some Supreme Being.
Learn how to read . I already pointed out that he shaped the infinite power into a Multiverse . But since it was infinite it could aswell be shaped into a Omniverse .
So...it wasn't infinite. It was just enough energy to be shaped intoa multiverse and nothing more.
Prove up he could have made it into an omniverse. Make a claim, back it up.
Lucifer wasn't even affected by the creation destroying blast . As a matter of fact , since the explosion that Michael released , which containde his infinite power , didn't even flinch Lucifer it means that something that contains an infinite amount of power barely managed to put problems to Lucifer .
Well, this is funny. Spectre had infinite power in COIE...that means Spectre = Michael at that point. Which means A-M was Michael or Lucifer level at this point....
You fail on so many levels.
Stop lying ? Lying with what exactly ?
That Lucifer could have made an omniverse. That's a flat out lie. it's not said anywhere. it's not implied anywhere.
If you ever ignore one of my points again and reply to only the ones you find convenient I'm going to stop this discussion (not that you really counter in the real sense of the word the other points anyway)
As per usual, you show you know nothing about Marvel Comics.There are multiple levels of infinity in Marvel Comics.
I already explained what the different levels of infinity meant on another thread . A is bigger than B and C even if B and C are infinite only if A = B + C + X + ...
Example :
A being has infinite control over Electromagnetism . (B)
A being has infinite control over Gravity . (C)
A being has infinite control over the four fundamental forces (Which include B & C)
Thus :
A (Control over the four fundamental forces) = B (Electromagnetism) + C (Gravity) + Strong Nuclear Force + Weak Nuclear Force
But I don't really know why I'm bothering since you probably can't even comprehend it . And this has nothing to do with our example here anyway , since we are talking about 2 specific categories : Multiverses .
This would be similar like talking about Electromagnetism and one being have infinite control over it (The Marvel Multiverse) thus , another being (Beyonder's Multiverse) can't be bigger .
Since the infinite power made a multiverse and nothing more - yes, he is wrong. And once more, Spectre saw things Presence did not. Some Supreme Being.
So...it wasn't infinite. It was just enough energy to be shaped intoa multiverse and nothing more.Prove up he could have made it into an omniverse. Make a claim, back it up.
If you are going to repeat your arguments all over again , like this one , I'm going to stop the discussion . I'm going to post the argument one more time only:
It was Lucifer who shaped the infinite power into an infinite Multiverse , and since the power was infinite he could have shaped it into a Omniverse aswell .
Well, this is funny. Spectre had infinite power in COIE...that means Spectre = Michael at that point. Which means A-M was Michael or Lucifer level at this point....You fail on so many levels.
Spectre was stated stronger than Anti-Monitor but he lost due to the misuse of the power .
Don't get into subjects you have no clue about .
That Lucifer could have made an omniverse. That's a flat out lie. it's not said anywhere. it's not implied anywhere.
Since Michael had infinite power and that power was released , Lucifer had infinite power at his disposal to shape and since it was infinite , he could have shaped it into a Omniverse also . It's not that hard to understand .. for a mid-intelligent person I mean .
If you are going to repeat what you've already said a few times and what has already been shown wrong all over again , don't bother .
Its hard to gauge how strong THOTU was...It was only seen in a six issue limited series...it did absorb the LT with ease...leads me to belive it go do the same thing to guys like Spectre and Mxy. I dont really have an answer to be honest...from what it looked like Thanos with the Heart was equal to the presence. With Thanos HOTU, you dont really need beyonder or mm.