Originally posted by Supermanluv
How come when i make a similar fight involving superman vs Odin physically everyone jumps down my throat saying I'm biased and I'm desperate for Superman to win ! What a bunch of hypocrites
Would you like to know the difference. Superman is weak to magic, juggernaut is also weak to magic but cannot be stopped by magic. Example; a magical being thought that he would like to stop the struggle between him and juggernaut and decides to use a magical blast of unknown proportion to take all of the flesh off of the juggernaut leaving nothing but bones. His trick worked but with a side affect. Due to juggernaut magical nature being "the unstoppable" he was a bag of bones that possessed all of his powers and was still standing, with a smile on his face. By the way this was a depowered juggernaut that didnt have his forcefield up.
Now on the other hand you have superman getting one shot by captain marvel twice because captain marvel possess magical abilities.
Magic hurts superman whereas it does nothing to the juggernaut. We have yet to see the upper limit of juggernaut durability. We have yet to see the upper limit of juggernaut impenetrable forcefield. Doctor strange has tried but failed also. I know odin has the ability to bfr juggernaut and quite easily but does he have the ability to create lasting damage on juggernaut because after getting all of the flesh burned off of him (remember this is a weakened juggernaut), he healed in seconds.
Thats what Im confused about and thats why I kind of hate the juggernaut because the writer themselves said that a unbeatable character was created when they made the juggernaut, thats what led to him being depowered and losing the power of the crystal. They wanted to make him weaker but they said that since people was asking for the original back, they have to make the fans happy and thats why he back to his strongest self again. The unbeatable.
Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
[B]People havent stated a way Odin would win cause it cant be done by physical force. I thought it was stated that Thor was physically stronger than his dad and Juggy had no problem crushing him.
Was there ever an instance that Odin couldn't physically do that gives you enough insight to say Odin couldn't beat down Juggernaut? Or that he's weaker than his son?
1 hit KOing Ulik isnt much compared to Juggy's 1 hit KO of the Stranger since its a rock troll vs one of the strongest cosmics....
Juggernaut never K.O.ed Stranger. He knocked Stranger off his feet and ran while Iceman froze Stranger's firebeams from frying Cain. So yeah, not impressive.
Funny how you dismiss Ulik as just a rock troll when same said rock troll has given Thor a hard time with just his brute strength and scared Pluto and Loki. We know Thor is class 100, would you like to show me where Thor one-shot KO Ulik the way his father did? Oh, and read those scans again, Odin was POISON by Thanos.
Weak, poisoned Odin physically one-shot K.O.ed Ulik >> Thor with Mjlnornir struggling to beat Ulik
What do you think a full strength Odin would do to Ulik, Thor, Hulk, or Juggernaut?
There shouldnt be too much arguement here, although weaker than it would have been if Odin used it, Odin force didnt do anything to juggy when Thor used it so it would be a fairer fight to have Odin fight any way he can (which he would win in, it would just be a fairer fight)
Please don't compare Thor with Odin. By the end of the series, Thor needed to drink from that mystic well to gain the knowledge and use of the Odinforce as Odin did. The Thor you're refering to is a novice compared to Odin when it comes to the Odinforce.
he's stomped by Juggy in just physical...
That's funny cause Hulk wasn't. I also recall Nimrod physically knocking Juggernaut, not to mention Thor as well. By the way, Odin has taken blast from both Surfer and Thanos. Durability wise, Juggernaut's physical output ain't doing a thing to Odin. In fact, since Juggernaut's strength doesn't increase like Hulk does, he ain't physically hurting Odin when Thanos and Surfer's energy output couldn't do a damn thing.
Skill and intelligent wise, Odin outclasses Cain by far. Even if Odin doesn't knock him out, he's going to humiliate Cain throughout the fight the way WWH cleverly did. Juggy's gonna look stupid and just get punked by Odin.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Was there ever an instance that Odin couldn't physically do that gives you enough insight to say Odin couldn't beat down Juggernaut? Or that he's weaker than his son?Juggernaut never K.O.ed Stranger. He knocked Stranger off his feet and ran while Iceman froze Stranger's firebeams from frying Cain. So yeah, not impressive.
Funny how you dismiss Ulik as just a rock troll when same said rock troll has given Thor a hard time with just his brute strength and scared Pluto and Loki. We know Thor is class 100, would you like to show me where Thor one-shot KO Ulik the way his father did? Oh, and read those scans again, Odin was POISON by Thanos.
Weak, poisoned Odin physically one-shot K.O.ed Ulik >> Thor with Mjlnornir struggling to beat Ulik
What do you think a full strength Odin would do to Ulik, Thor, Hulk, or Juggernaut?
Please don't compare Thor with Odin. By the end of the series, Thor needed to drink from that mystic well to gain the knowledge and use of the Odinforce as Odin did. The Thor you're refering to is a novice compared to Odin when it comes to the Odinforce.
That's funny cause Hulk wasn't. I also recall Nimrod physically knocking Juggernaut, not to mention Thor as well. By the way, Odin has taken blast from both Surfer and Thanos. Durability wise, Juggernaut's physical output ain't doing a thing to Odin. In fact, since Juggernaut's strength doesn't increase like Hulk does, he ain't physically hurting Odin when Thanos and Surfer's energy output couldn't do a damn thing.
Skill and intelligent wise, Odin outclasses Cain by far. Even if Odin doesn't knock him out, he's going to humiliate Cain throughout the fight the way WWH cleverly did. Juggy's gonna look stupid and just get punked by Odin.
Well to bad you know nothing of juggernaut since he already comes with unlimited strength.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/glossary/showentry.asp?fldAuto=596
Originally posted by carver9
Well to bad you know nothing of juggernaut since he already comes with unlimited strength.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/glossary/showentry.asp?fldAuto=596
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Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
Im pretty sure Juggy destroyed Strangers physical form with that...
You're talking about X-Men Forever right?
Early in the fight after Iceman froze Stranger, Juggernaut ran through him. But he was already cracking up because of Bobby.
Also even if he pulls the wwh thing again and again, eventually he will die cause it was stated no bfr [/B]
That's assuming Juggernaut is the only one with unlimited stamina and is as skilled as Odin. Odin would whomp forever.
carver9Well to bad you know nothing of juggernaut since he already comes with unlimited strength.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/glossary...asp?fldAuto=596
So why did this unlimited punkass get knocked about by a class 100 leveler like Thor?
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
You're talking about X-Men Forever right?Early in the fight after Iceman froze Stranger, Juggernaut ran through him. But he was already cracking up because of Bobby.
That's assuming Juggernaut is the only one with unlimited stamina and is as skilled as Odin. Odin would whomp forever.
So why did this unlimited punkass get knocked about by a class 100 leveler like Thor?
Please show me the scan of thor knocking juggernaut out, I dont think that it happened. Thor has never beat juggernaut except through bfr, besides that thor got owned and over powered.
actually i think cain can win this battle.. people and writers forget that the juggernaught is able to wield the power of the crimmson cosmos. cain was able to gain the upperhand while fighting against a nightmare the had bound and stolen the powers of eternity in dr strange issue 182. thus it is my belief that he can win against odin
Outside of Trion Juggernaut, I'd say that Cain was at his best during the 8th Day saga when he came to blows with Thor. I looked over that fight several times. When I first read the comic I was under the belief that Cain was completely unaffected by Thor's best melee assaults, this was incorrect. Anyone that has read the comic closely would see that the Juggernaut was taken aback by one of Thor's hits, which did not put him down, but gave him pause. If anything could be considered a chink in his near imperiousness this was it. The Juggernaut is not completely invulnerable even by classic standards.
I also went back, and looked over Thor's battle with Perikus when they first fought, and it looked like Periikus was actually able to absorb the same amount of damage as the Juggernaut could during the 8th day, perhaps even more. I think that if we replaced Thor with Odin during the 8th day arc, that he would have had the amount of power needed to put Cain out of action, and do it quite convincingly. If anyone disagrees with this, feel free to go back, and re-read the Thor comics that I am referring to.
Odin wins this by a landslide in my opinion.
Originally posted by Raptor22
Odin wins this. at the very least it's a stale mate if u don't think Odin can amp enough to overcome juggs enchantment. The only way juggs wins is if Odin literally stands there and let's juggs beat him down and doesn't even try to avoid his blows.
Odin would only take so much off of a mortal, he's no Zeus in terms of little to no patience, but he'd only be pushed so far. also I read people saying that Odin can not amp, but have yet to see why he could not? The OP wasn't too clear on this. If he can amp his strength, I see another Hulk vs Zeus debacle.
Originally posted by Stoic
Outside of Trion Juggernaut, I'd say that Cain was at his best during the 8th Day saga when he came to blows with Thor. I looked over that fight several times. When I first read the comic I was under the belief that Cain was completely unaffected by Thor's best melee assaults, this was incorrect. Anyone that has read the comic closely would see that the Juggernaut was taken aback by one of Thor's hits, which did not put him down, but gave him pause. If anything could be considered a chink in his near imperiousness this was it. The Juggernaut is not completely invulnerable even by classic standards.I also went back, and looked over Thor's battle with Perikus when they first fought, and it looked like Periikus was actually able to absorb the same amount of damage as the Juggernaut could during the 8th day, perhaps even more. I think that if we replaced Thor with Odin during the 8th day arc, that he would have had the amount of power needed to put Cain out of action, and do it quite convincingly. If anyone disagrees with this, feel free to go back, and re-read the Thor comics that I am referring to.
Odin wins this by a landslide in my opinion.
Odin has 0 feats to say that he can even tickle Juggs physically. Just because he is a skyfather means absolutely nothing.
And classic Juggs is completely invulnerable, nothing physical under universal level can harm him.